Re: [nafex] wet rootstock?

Not sure I understand the question. Waite

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Henry Feldseth via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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> This question came up on a post about apples. I have no idea.
>
> "What do you have coming on wet root rootstock as the garden surface is 2 feet to the surface water table?"
>
> Anything to recommend?
>
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[nafex] wet rootstock?

This question came up on a post about apples. I have no idea.

"What do you have coming on wet root rootstock as the garden surface is 2 feet to the surface water table?"

Anything to recommend?

--Henry Fieldseth
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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

Any idea where to get Charlotte strawberry plants? They are sold out
everywhere online. Is there a legal issue, or are they just popular?

-Pete

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 9:46 PM mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net> wrote:

> The aroma is incredible. I picked some and put the basket in my truck.
> When I got in the aroma was overwhelming. Flavor is was decent. Seemed like
> a pastry chefs dream fruit for finishing a dish. Foliar diseases plagued
> them but they seemed to carry on. There is a variety from france, Charlotte
> that has MDB for a parent. It is a day neutral with larger fruits, disease
> resistance and an intense candy strawberry flavor. It is our farm favorite.
> Fragrant as well.
>
> > On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and
> flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them.
> > ________________________________
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> Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM
> > To: NAFEX email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully
> flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who's a real
> gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn't normally
> stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries
> he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his
> alpine strawberries and plant these instead.
> >>
> >> Melissa
> >>
> >
> > I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting.
> >
> > Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have
> a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season.
> >
> >
> > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

The aroma is incredible. I picked some and put the basket in my truck. When I got in the aroma was overwhelming. Flavor is was decent. Seemed like a pastry chefs dream fruit for finishing a dish. Foliar diseases plagued them but they seemed to carry on. There is a variety from france, Charlotte that has MDB for a parent. It is a day neutral with larger fruits, disease resistance and an intense candy strawberry flavor. It is our farm favorite. Fragrant as well.

> On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them.
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM
> To: NAFEX email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry
>
>
>
>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who's a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn't normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead.
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>
> I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting.
>
> Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season.
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

I was not impressed by their flavor.

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> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to find out your experience growing Mara des Bois strawberry. the relatively new day-neutral cultivar developed in France. Please include your zone and city and state in your reply. Thanks!
> thanks. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>
> Here's what one nursery's catalog (Jung) says about it:
> Mara Des Bois Strawberry
> A specialty strawberry developed in France. The small to medium size berries are bright red with a high gloss and are blessed with the highest flavor and fragrance of any strawberry variety. Planted in the spring, it begins bearing during the summer and into the fall. The following year it produces a good spring crop with continued lighter production all season. Excellent for container culture, too. Ideal for home gardeners or commercial applications where high taste and fragrance is required.
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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them.
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Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry



> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who's a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn't normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead.
>
> Melissa
>

I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting.

Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season.


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale




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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who's a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn't normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead.
>
> Melissa
>

I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting.

Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale

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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 6:29 PM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> To cut to the chase:
>
> NAFEX, Inc. should have their web person download and install HTTracker
> app. Runit and start a new session and speciy download folder
> then tell HTTracker to go to: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/
> and download everything. The nafex list message archives are public
> therefore HTTracker can download the entire message base, month by month.
> What you end up with is a mirror of the archives at ibiblio. When it is
> finished, after maybe 4 house or so, it will ask you if you want to view
> downloaded website. Click on it and you will see exactly what exists at
> ibiblio.
> They they should take the downloaded filesystem-folder and add it to their
> NAFEX website somewhere so that their members can browse the list from its
> origin at Yahoo groups in 2001 to the present and have all that information
> at their fingertips.. Clicking on the top level .html files opens the whole
> archive. This way they do not have to be involved with this list.
> If they can figure out how to get HTTracker to _update_ the message
> archive with new material month by month, all the better. Otherwise they
> can just download the whole thing again with HTTracker and replace the old
> with the new in their website periodically.
>

If there are issues for them with posts in the message archives they don;t
want in there they can be edited out. Once you ID them then you can go to
the (html) files containing them and delete them, then delete their entry
in the maillist.html file associated with that month's archive. At least I
think this would work without corrupting the whole archive. You can always
edit the files in question.

>
> Lon Rombaugh's Grapebreeders website at ibiblio can be downloaded the same
> way. It is located here: http://www.ibiblio.org/grapebreeders/
> Noone is maintaining this website so I would suggest anyone that
> interested should download a copy for themselves. NAFEX could add this to
> their website.
> As for ownership, permissions and copyright issues, I am certain there
> should not be any. The site is orphaned, unowned and unmaintained.
>
> If anyone needs more information or help let me know.
>
> As for adding co owners to this nafex list I will be adding those who
> expressed interest in helping out after finding out whether they can handle
> the technical aspects of list ownership.
> The main duties are dealing with new subscribers or unsubbing people who
> can't figure out how to do it themselves. The main list configuration is
> done and shouldn't need to be changed. The list homepage could use some
> work though. We are definitely lucky to have our forum at ibiblio. Yahoo is
> unacceptable, groups.io is as good or better but storage space is limited
> (a consideration for the long haul) and Google Groups has issues with what
> email ids subscribers use though that has been proven not to be a problem
> for most people, they _can_ use non-Gmail ID's.
>
> LL
>
>

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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

To cut to the chase:

NAFEX, Inc. should have their web person download and install HTTracker
app. Runit and start a new session and speciy download folder
then tell HTTracker to go to: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/
and download everything. The nafex list message archives are public
therefore HTTracker can download the entire message base, month by month.
What you end up with is a mirror of the archives at ibiblio. When it is
finished, after maybe 4 house or so, it will ask you if you want to view
downloaded website. Click on it and you will see exactly what exists at
ibiblio.
They they should take the downloaded filesystem-folder and add it to their
NAFEX website somewhere so that their members can browse the list from its
origin at Yahoo groups in 2001 to the present and have all that information
at their fingertips.. Clicking on the top level .html files opens the whole
archive. This way they do not have to be involved with this list.
If they can figure out how to get HTTracker to _update_ the message archive
with new material month by month, all the better. Otherwise they can just
download the whole thing again with HTTracker and replace the old with the
new in their website periodically.

Lon Rombaugh's Grapebreeders website at ibiblio can be downloaded the same
way. It is located here: http://www.ibiblio.org/grapebreeders/
Noone is maintaining this website so I would suggest anyone that interested
should download a copy for themselves. NAFEX could add this to their
website.
As for ownership, permissions and copyright issues, I am certain there
should not be any. The site is orphaned, unowned and unmaintained.

If anyone needs more information or help let me know.

As for adding co owners to this nafex list I will be adding those who
expressed interest in helping out after finding out whether they can handle
the technical aspects of list ownership.
The main duties are dealing with new subscribers or unsubbing people who
can't figure out how to do it themselves. The main list configuration is
done and shouldn't need to be changed. The list homepage could use some
work though. We are definitely lucky to have our forum at ibiblio. Yahoo is
unacceptable, groups.io is as good or better but storage space is limited
(a consideration for the long haul) and Google Groups has issues with what
email ids subscribers use though that has been proven not to be a problem
for most people, they _can_ use non-Gmail ID's.

LL
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Re: [nafex] 1. M41 apple rootstock and rocks (Ginda Fisher)

Thanks! In addition to writing to this list, I also called Cummins nursery. To my surprise, they answered the phone. The gentleman I spoke with said he really didn't know, but thought a foot would be enough soil, so long as what was underneath wasn't solid ledge. (It's not.) So the tree is mostly planted. I need to replace the rocks I removed from the hole with top soil, and protect the tree. I'll be wrapping the base with aluminum window screen and putting a circle of fencing around it to discourage deer.

And lots and lots of water...
--
Ginda
typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.


On April 7, 2019 12:57:58 PM EDT, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've never had a problem with a site that has a whole foot of soil
>before
>ledge- hell, I've worked with much less than that in the hills I ply my
>trade in.
>
>I don't happen to use the Cornell roots very much, but I assume 41 is
>full
>dwarf so it really doesn't need a lot to work with.
>
>Where shallow soil can be an issue is with cold sensitive rootstocks,
>and I
>believe, even with trees susceptible to cambium burn, such as Santa
>Rosa
>plums and most of the red-fleshed J. plums. My cots seem even more
>likely
>to die when grown in shallow soil.
>
>Obviously, you haven't much a reservoir to work with so an organic
>mulch
>would help as would irrigation during dry periods. This is especially
>the
>case if there are nearby big forest trees. Their ability to suck up
>water
>extends not just beyond their limbs, but even beyond the roots due to
>mychorizal symbiosis.
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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

Hi Waite

I'm in the western suburbs of Philadelphia PA. More like the northern
suburbs of Wilmington DE actually, but Wilmington isn't as well known, and
I do live in PA, not DE.

I am a backyard fruit grower, with several heavily grafted apple trees, a
pear tree, 5 or 6 potted figs, several native plums including maritima from
the DE coast, many Ribes, several Elderberry including some of the newer
selections, and a selection of blueberries. Oh, also some seedling American
Persimmon and pawpaw, and some nut seedlings including Hickory, Northern
pecan, black Walnut, and some hicans. Think that's about it. Sounds like a
lot but most are in pots as we've only been at our current location for a
couple of years.

-Pete

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 11:51 AM C Waite MACLIN via nafex <
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

> Thank you, Pete. I am one of the ones who has fallen off. This is not
> because of any lack of interest and my belief in the good networking of
> NAFEX. Too much demanding of my time elsewhere. But hope to "re-up" and
> your email spurs me on.
>
> Where are you located?
>
> I am in Cushing, Maine on the midcoast. Have a modest apple and fruit
> orchard.
>
> Onward. Waite
>
> C. Waite Maclin
> Pastor Chuck Orchards
> Cushing, Maine
> "One Taste and You Will
> Know the Difference Between
> Good and Evil!"
>
> P.O. Box 4096
> Portland, Maine 04101
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I like the list.
> >
> > That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6
> months
> > or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is
> > this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness
> > of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else?
> >
> > I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who
> > are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it
> seems
> > like we are losing more participants than we are gaining.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > Pete Chrisbacher
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
> >
> >> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went
> their
> >> separate ways, but I may be misremembering.
> >>
> >> 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage
> this
> >> one.
> >>
> >> 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic,
> >> which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below
> >> the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone
> who
> >> isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's
> >> not where we are.)
> >> --
> >> Ginda
> >> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.
> >>
> >>
> >> On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm <
> >> organic87@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >>> I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable.
> >>>
> >>> It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was
> >>> why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if
> >>> we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it,
> >>> they wouldn't keep it up in the long run.
> >>>
> >>> The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is
> >>> preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were
> >>> several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's
> >>> needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know
> >>> what's involved in doing that work.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> >>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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[nafex] 1. M41 apple rootstock and rocks (Ginda Fisher)

I've never had a problem with a site that has a whole foot of soil before
ledge- hell, I've worked with much less than that in the hills I ply my
trade in.

I don't happen to use the Cornell roots very much, but I assume 41 is full
dwarf so it really doesn't need a lot to work with.

Where shallow soil can be an issue is with cold sensitive rootstocks, and I
believe, even with trees susceptible to cambium burn, such as Santa Rosa
plums and most of the red-fleshed J. plums. My cots seem even more likely
to die when grown in shallow soil.

Obviously, you haven't much a reservoir to work with so an organic mulch
would help as would irrigation during dry periods. This is especially the
case if there are nearby big forest trees. Their ability to suck up water
extends not just beyond their limbs, but even beyond the roots due to
mychorizal symbiosis.
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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

Thank you, Pete. I am one of the ones who has fallen off. This is not because of any lack of interest and my belief in the good networking of NAFEX. Too much demanding of my time elsewhere. But hope to "re-up" and your email spurs me on.

Where are you located?

I am in Cushing, Maine on the midcoast. Have a modest apple and fruit orchard.

Onward. Waite

C. Waite Maclin
Pastor Chuck Orchards
Cushing, Maine
"One Taste and You Will
Know the Difference Between
Good and Evil!"

P.O. Box 4096
Portland, Maine 04101

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like the list.
>
> That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6 months
> or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is
> this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness
> of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else?
>
> I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who
> are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it seems
> like we are losing more participants than we are gaining.
>
> -Pete
>
> Pete Chrisbacher
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
>
>> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their
>> separate ways, but I may be misremembering.
>>
>> 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this
>> one.
>>
>> 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic,
>> which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below
>> the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who
>> isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's
>> not where we are.)
>> --
>> Ginda
>> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.
>>
>>
>> On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm <
>> organic87@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable.
>>>
>>> It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was
>>> why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if
>>> we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it,
>>> they wouldn't keep it up in the long run.
>>>
>>> The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is
>>> preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were
>>> several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's
>>> needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know
>>> what's involved in doing that work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
>>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[nafex] M41 apple rootstock and rocks

I'm trying to plant an apple on m41. Everywhere i dig, I come across rocks too large to remove from the hole. Do I need to keep digging in new places until I find a relatively rock-free patch of land? That's a big ask, in my small New England yard with lots of shade.

The rocks are about a foot down. It's not a solid ledge. In theory, an industrious tree could spread its roots between and around them. I think. But is m41 that kind of root stock?

One way or another, the tree will be planted today.

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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

I like the list.

That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6 months
or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is
this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness
of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else?

I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who
are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it seems
like we are losing more participants than we are gaining.

-Pete

Pete Chrisbacher


On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:

> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their
> separate ways, but I may be misremembering.
>
> 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this
> one.
>
> 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic,
> which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below
> the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who
> isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's
> not where we are.)
> --
> Ginda
> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.
>
>
> On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm <
> organic87@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable.
> >
> >It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was
> >why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if
> >we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it,
> >they wouldn't keep it up in the long run.
> >
> >The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is
> >preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were
> >several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's
> >needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know
> >what's involved in doing that work.
> >
> >
> >
> >-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> >Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their separate ways, but I may be misremembering.

2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this one.

3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic, which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's not where we are.)
--
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typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.


On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable.
>
>It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was
>why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if
>we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it,
>they wouldn't keep it up in the long run.
>
>The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is
>preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were
>several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's
>needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know
>what's involved in doing that work.
>
>
>
>-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
>Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable.

It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, they wouldn't keep it up in the long run.

The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know what's involved in doing that work.



-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale




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[nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

There has been story after story of Facebook, Google, et al misusing
user data, disrespecting privacy rights, etc. I'd really like to see
more user-owned resources to protect people from this sort of thing.

I think an email list on a service/server which seems trustworthy is a
smart move. And from what you're saying, it seems affordable. I don't
know what NAFEX's budget is, but I think it likely makes sense to
restrict list membership to NAFEX members only (which does not at the
current time include me). The only difficulty I foresee with this from
my prior experience with other group management is that a volunteer
will have to square the NAFEX email membership list with the paid
NAFEX membership list at regular intervals, at least monthly.

I think the archives are a very important source of information. One
of the advantages of an email list is that people can save messages
from the time they've been members of the list, at least if they're
willing to dedicate the hard drive space to it. But for anything
people weren't around for, the archives are great.

Thanks to all who've been volunteering their time for this list and been so
free with it all these years so far.

Megan Lynch
South Pasadena, CA
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[nafex] Question about this list for subscribers.

Should Nafex, Inc. own, control and run this list?
It is obvious that Facebook is not particularly useful for hosting a fruit
growers forum.
The excellent Growing Fruit forum and knowledgebase is a private and
probably commercial venture. Will it be useful and available in the future?
Nafex would have to go to a lot of trouble and expense to set up a forum
for members in house. This list is free, public and run by volunteers.
It will be around as long as ibiblio is and if that changes it can migrate
to groups.io for a list as good as ibiblio's (and unlike Google Groups,
doesn't require some kind of Google account)
and with the capacity to service unlimited members and provide ten
gigabytes of storage, all for a modest monthly fee of $10.00.

Should this list be turned over to Nafex, if they want it?
If that was done would they require Nafex membership for all subscribers,
unlike its present status of allowing anyone to join?
Would they make the message archives private (i.e. a private list). If so
Google would no longer index the archives and searches would not be possible
plus all subscribers would have to log in with name and password to read
the archives.

I need one or more persons to co own this list with me. The list needs to
continue in one form or another into the future.
I need someone to run it when I am no longer available as a volunteer.

I think most of you would like to use this nafex list indefinitely. The
main message archives from their beginning to the present contain a wealth
of information.
They are located here and go all the way back to 2000:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/. There are three other sites
with nafex message archives:
1) Current, active, ongoing, combined with the permaculture list:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/permaculturelist but does not have
early messages.
2) This one has a message base that is much earlier, 2011, but stops around
2016: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafexlist
3) There is a blog that is a mirror archive for this list, currently active
and ongoing: http://ifneb.blogspot.com/ (IFNEB = International Fruit &
Nut Breeders & Enthusiasts)
This is nice format for viewing posts, much like a webforum, and has
today's posts and archives dating back to 2014

Feedback welcome.

Lawrence
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Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who's a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn't normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead.

Melissa

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Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive

I bought 50 'Arbequina' olives from Hartmann's Plant Company in Michigan in 2015. They offer plants at both retail and wholesale prices.
https://hartmannsplantcompany.com

I sold them at the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Not having a good place to keep one for the winter, I sold them all.

I have not heard any feedback from customers, nor any requests to bring them back.

These posts have me thinking we should offer them again.

Hartmann's only offered 'Arbequina' when we ordered. Today I see they have added 'Taggiasca', which is sold out at this time.

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesotaa, USA, zone 4


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On Thu, 4/4/19, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive
To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:48 PM

I'm fairly certain they are
imported from Somewhere much warmer.

But supposedly some olives (arbequina among
them) do relatively well in
pots.

-Pete

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:59 PM Road's End
Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 4, 2019,
at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get
fresh olives at the farmers market in
>
> the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak
de-bittering method.
> My
> > favorite brine was one with ramps
(dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme
>
> and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in
South East PA.
> > Hopefully from my
tree!
> >
> >
-Pete
>
> Are they
locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only
market?
>
> If they
are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives
that would
> manage another state
north.
>
> -- Rivka;
Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
>
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
>
>
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[nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry

I'd like to find out your experience growing Mara des Bois strawberry. the relatively new day-neutral cultivar developed in France. Please include your zone and city and state in your reply. Thanks!
thanks. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)

Here's what one nursery's catalog (Jung) says about it:
Mara Des Bois Strawberry
A specialty strawberry developed in France. The small to medium size berries are bright red with a high gloss and are blessed with the highest flavor and fragrance of any strawberry variety. Planted in the spring, it begins bearing during the summer and into the fall. The following year it produces a good spring crop with continued lighter production all season. Excellent for container culture, too. Ideal for home gardeners or commercial applications where high taste and fragrance is required.

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Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive

I'm fairly certain they are imported from Somewhere much warmer.

But supposedly some olives (arbequina among them) do relatively well in
pots.

-Pete

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:59 PM Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in
> > the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method.
> My
> > favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme
> > and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA.
> > Hopefully from my tree!
> >
> > -Pete
>
> Are they locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only market?
>
> If they are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives that would
> manage another state north.
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive

> On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in
> the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. My
> favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme
> and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA.
> Hopefully from my tree!
>
> -Pete

Are they locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only market?

If they are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives that would manage another state north.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale




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Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive

How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in
the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. My
favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme
and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA.
Hopefully from my tree!

-Pete

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 6:15 PM mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> I ripened 2 olives last year. Then I brined them. They were amazing.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:50 AM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Pete,
> >
> > Thanks for posting this question.
> >
> > I have not tried olives, but am interested in fruit that can be grown in
> containers.
> >
> > I really appreciate that you told us where you are in your post!
> >
> > --Henry Fieldseth
> > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Sun, 3/31/19, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive
> > To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 12:20 PM
> >
> > OK here's one that might even be worthy of
> > the list...
> >
> > Last fall I purchased a small arbequina
> > Olive rooted cutting. It's been
> > growing in a sunny windowsill since
> > fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has
> > put on some new growth recently. Is
> > anyone else on this list growing potted
> > olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot
> > plant it in the ground outside. Would
> > love to hear thoughts on how to get
> > this thing happy in a pot so we have
> > some olives one of these years soon.
> >
> > -Pete
> > 6b se PA
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Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive

I ripened 2 olives last year. Then I brined them. They were amazing.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:50 AM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> Thanks for posting this question.
>
> I have not tried olives, but am interested in fruit that can be grown in containers.
>
> I really appreciate that you told us where you are in your post!
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 3/31/19, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive
> To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 12:20 PM
>
> OK here's one that might even be worthy of
> the list...
>
> Last fall I purchased a small arbequina
> Olive rooted cutting. It's been
> growing in a sunny windowsill since
> fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has
> put on some new growth recently. Is
> anyone else on this list growing potted
> olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot
> plant it in the ground outside. Would
> love to hear thoughts on how to get
> this thing happy in a pot so we have
> some olives one of these years soon.
>
> -Pete
> 6b se PA
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[nafex] Jerry Lehman

I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person.

It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators.

Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b

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[nafex] Jerry Lehman (rob hamilton)

Also me.  Jerry was my first friend at my first Pawpaw International
Conference and I saw him again at the first NAFEX meeting I attended. 
He was very generous with his vast knowledge, always polite and kind. 
An organizer so excellent he made conferences look Easy, organizations
exciting.  He will be missed!

He was undaunted by challenges, and I am hoping some of us can help
carry on and save Jerry's work, which would also be saving Jim
Claypool's work.

Barbara

Z7a, Piedmont Virginia

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> Wow,  this news has really hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him.  Jerry was always very kind to me and others in the group.  He was always so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw projects.
> He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill.
> Robert
> --------------------------------------------
> Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA
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Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman

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From: Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:06 AM
To: Road's End Farm; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman

I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person.

It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators.

Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b
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I'm very sorry to hear that. But thank you for letting us know.

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Bass S <bassgarden@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In case you didn't know, he's been a long time Nafex member.
> "We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on."
>
> Thank you,
> Bass
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Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman

I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person.

It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators.

Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b
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I'm very sorry to hear that. But thank you for letting us know.

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Bass S <bassgarden@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In case you didn't know, he's been a long time Nafex member.
> "We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on."
>
> Thank you,
> Bass
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:49 PM Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
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> Lawrence, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you.
>
> I misunderstood what you said about signing up people from the Sanet group
> and about batch subscribing members of this list.
>
> No problem at all. The sanet people signed themselves up, I did not direct
add them, which is a convenient option when someone asks me in email to be
subscribed.
I double down on problems with lists and have asked the sanet member who
migrated to sustagnet how they did it and whether they had to create the
Google account without the Gmail ID.
Thanks for getting me interested in these list issues. The Fruit Growing
webforum and information archive is really excellent. They do have six
people running it too. It is free and has no ads so I wonder how long it
will remain that way.

LL

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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 13

Very very sad to hear about Jerry. Even never having met him face to
face, I held in high respect for his numerous thoughtful interactions,
and for his contributions to our ability to grow food on trees. My
deepest condolences to all those who knew him more personally.

In the meantime, I got 12 emails today from Nafex, "digest" numbered. I
would imagine the purpose of a digest is so that I don't get 12. Can
someone tell me how to fix this?

Thanks,
Alexis

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>> Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit
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>> pretty unnerving.
>>
> Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars
> since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture
> resources to encounter such an implied accusation.
> Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley
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Re: [nafex] Jerry's Passing

I am also very sad to hear of Jerry's death. He was incredibly knowledgeable and generous. I will miss him.
--
Ginda
typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.

On April 1, 2019 4:06:22 PM EDT, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
>I am sorry to hear of Jerry Lehman's death.  We will miss him! He will
>leave a gaping hole in the Fruit and Nut Grower network.
>
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Re: [nafex] list is alive!

Lawrence, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you.

I misunderstood what you said about signing up people from the Sanet group and about batch subscribing members of this list.

Again, I apologize.

-- Rivka

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:53 PM Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net <mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit
>> agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be
>> pretty unnerving.
>>
>
> Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars
> since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture
> resources to encounter such an implied accusation.
> Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley
> Tractor dealership in my area:
> "Have a problem with our service? Go to Helen Waite, head of our complaints
> department.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
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Re: [nafex] list is alive!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:53 PM Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
wrote:

>
> Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit
> agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be
> pretty unnerving.
>

Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars
since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture
resources to encounter such an implied accusation.
Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley
Tractor dealership in my area:
"Have a problem with our service? Go to Helen Waite, head of our complaints
department.

Cheers


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Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman

What can I say? Very sad. I feel very lucky to have made it out to his house to visit him years ago, after the NAFEX meeting at Purdue University. He was so willing to share his knowledge.

Lee Reich, PhD
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Books by Lee Reich:
•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 5:04 PM, rob hamilton via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> Wow, this news has really hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him. Jerry was always very kind to me and others in the group. He was always so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw projects.
> He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill.
> Robert
> --------------------------------------------
> Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA
>
> Atlanta Fruits Club
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/
> North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX)
> www.NAFEX.org
> Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/
> California Rare Fruit Growers
> www.crfg.org
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019, 4:03:58 PM EDT, ehilborn@mebtel.net <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bass S <bassgarden@gmail.com>
> Date: 04/01/2019 3:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman
>
> In case you didn't know, he's been a long time Nafex member. "We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on."Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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[nafex] Jerry

That is so very, very sad. Thanks for letting us know.

Jacquelyn A. Kuehn

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> Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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> -------- Original message --------
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> Date: 04/01/2019 3:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman
>
> In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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> I am sorry to hear of Jerry Lehman's death.? We will miss him! He will
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 9

Really sorry to hear this - he was a true force of nature. Such a major force.



Jonathan A. Dyer


Columbia, MO.


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From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
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Wow,? this news has really?hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him.? Jerry was always?very kind to me and others in the?group.? He was always?so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I?always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw?projects.
He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge?to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill.
Robert
--------------------------------------------
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?? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/
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?? www.crfg.org<http://www.crfg.org>



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? ?
Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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Date: 04/01/2019? 3:11 PM? (GMT-05:00)
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman

In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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