tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-76125340125518717442024-03-23T03:17:08.978-07:00International Fruit & Nut Enthusiasts & BreedersAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.comBlogger1501125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-90950236952139997402024-03-04T12:12:00.000-08:002024-03-04T12:13:10.673-08:00Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question<div dir="ltr">According to the late AJ Bullard, who imported 'Pakistan' with Mike McConkey of Edible Landscaping Nursery, it originated at Islamabad, Pakistan. Coldest temperature of record there is 28F. <div>As a result, Dr. Bullard recommended planting with graft union below ground level so that WHEN, not IF, it froze to the ground, it could re-sprout. </div><div><br></div><div>I had a 'Pakistan', from Edible Landscaping... planted with graft union below grade. It froze to the ground, 3 consecutive years... regrowing 8-10 ft each subsequent year, but never managing to ripen fruit. I am located on the z6b/7a interface (now 7a by the 'new' USDA hardiness map) 20 miles north of the KY/TN line. I dug it up and potted it with the intent of taking it to my Dad, who lived on the z7/8 interface in central AL... but misplaced it somewhere along the way. </div><div><br></div><div>Lucky Pittman</div><div>Hopkinsville, KY</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Henry via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?<br> <br> Is it a species from Pakistan?<br> <br> How hardy is it?<br> <br> --Henry Fieldseth<br> Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5<br> <br> <br> __________________<br> NAFEX mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org" target="_blank">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br> </blockquote></div> Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-88203231679818024252024-02-21T13:09:00.001-08:002024-02-21T13:09:33.119-08:00[NAFEX] Trademarks<div dir="ltr"><div>Is there a location where I can search for trademarks (or other) for the various fruit trees?</div><div>Want to make sure I give the person their due.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Dennis<br></div></div> Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-34423917885040353612024-01-28T11:25:00.001-08:002024-01-28T11:25:55.901-08:00Re: [NAFEX] mulberry questionYes, it's from Pakistan. Here in Carmel, IN (recently upgraded to zone 6),<br>the trunk will survive the winter if you put a cylinder of chicken wire<br>around it and fill the cylinder with leaves, but the parts of the tree that<br>aren't covered will die.<p>About 10 years ago, I put a potted Pakistan outside in April and it got<br>pollinated by whatever males were in the neighborhood. Out of a couple<br>dozen seedlings, I got two that had long flowers, but both were males.<br>They are only a little more hardy than Pakistan. The main trunk survives<br>the winter but most of the branches get killed back. I've tried crossing<br>one of the males back to Pakistan or to Illinois Everbearing, but it<br>doesn't seem to create viable seeds. If anyone else would like to try, I<br>can provide scionwood. It can be propagated by grafting or from cuttings,<br>although only one of the eight cuttings I tried set roots.<p>Fred Bruns<p>On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 12:04 PM Henry via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>wrote:<p>> What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?<br>><br>> Is it a species from Pakistan?<br>><br>> How hardy is it?<br>><br>> --Henry Fieldseth<br>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5<br>><br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-79604645616056337782024-01-28T09:03:00.001-08:002024-01-28T09:03:41.624-08:00[NAFEX] mulberry questionWhat is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?
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London, Jr.<br><a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-80241984075627203242024-01-17T21:41:00.001-08:002024-01-17T21:41:25.434-08:00[NAFEX] Bashkortostan in the news today (protests against russia) Here are links to Lemonary In Bashkortostan and Jerry Lerhman's trip there to study their plum varietiesMy posts to this list and others:<p>Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented<br>the trip with text and video<br>Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>project. A Google site: search might find it.<p>nafex] Lemonary in Bashkortostan & ancient wild-hive beekeeping.<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2012-February/046138.html">https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2012-February/046138.html</a><p>Lots more links about the lemonary and wild hive beekeeping:<br><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><p>Lemonary In Bashkortostan<p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><p>(upload of Jerry Lehman's .pdf file attached to nafex post)<p>Lemonary in Bashkortostan.pdf<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy">https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy</a><p>The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent photographs):<p><a href="http://lemonarium.ru/index.html">http://lemonarium.ru/index.html</a><br><<a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Flemonarium.ru%2Findex.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3pCzwsrQ5AxjzQqW__XtMM">http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Flemonarium.ru%2Findex.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3pCzwsrQ5AxjzQqW__XtMM</a>><p>Also about the lemonary:<p><a href="http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442">http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442</a><br><<a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greencom.ru%2Fen%2Ffirm_info.html%2FfID%2F442&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3QPPmLXiW0clDUAKUlbkFU">http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greencom.ru%2Fen%2Ffirm_info.html%2FfID%2F442&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3QPPmLXiW0clDUAKUlbkFU</a>><p>Experimental Instructional Farm of the Ufimsk Forest Husbandry Technical<br>School<p>Wholesale, Manufacture<p>Russia, Bashkortostan Resp, Ufimskiy r-n, Ufa g, Mingazheva Str., 126,<br>office: Mendeleeva Str. 152 / 2<p>+7 3472 52-2000<p>+7 3472 28-8030<p>The Farm demonstrates produce of the ornamental plant nursery "Ufimsk<br>Lemonary" for growing citrus and exotic crops (varying-age seedlings of<br>lemon, pomegranate, laurel, fig tree, etc.) and specimens of lemon fruit of<br>different varieties and forms. The farm has been growing citrus crops on an<br>area of 1 ha in protected ground for over 15 year.<p>IMAGES:<br>-- <br>Lawrence F. London, Jr.<br><a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-66808195915521649052024-01-09T08:46:00.000-08:002024-01-09T08:47:57.247-08:00Re: [NAFEX] currantsJust my opinion, but I consider Pixwell to be pretty much inedible: tough skin and tart flavor. But I agree that gooseberries can tolerate shade and need it in hot climates. My favorite gooseberries for flavor and disease resistance are Hinnonmakis Yellow, Poorman, Black satin, and Captivator. And some of the British varieties — such as Jumbo and Whitesmith — which I no longer grow because of their disease susceptibility.<p>Le<p><br>Lee Reich, PhD<br>Come visit my farmden at<br><a href="http://www.leereich.com/blog">http://www.leereich.com/blog</a><br><a href="http://leereich.com">http://leereich.com</a><p>Books by Lee Reich:<br>•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden<br>•A Northeast Gardener's Year<br>•The Pruning Book<br>•Weedless Gardening<br>•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden<br>•Landscaping with Fruit<br>•Grow Fruit Naturally<br>•Growing Figs in Cold Climates<br>• Fruit: From the USDA Pomological Watercolor Collection (Tiny Folio)<p>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Louis Pittman <<a href="mailto:lpittman@murraystate.edu">lpittman@murraystate.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Betsy,<br>> While they are not superb 'dessert' varieties, in my experience<br>> Glendale and Pixwell will handle hot humid southern zone6/7 settings... but<br>> like to have protection from blazing afternoon sun. I'd put them forward<br>> as two selections to trial initially.<br>> Before I 'knew better', I had Pixwell in full, all-day sun. It grew well<br>> and fruited OK for years, but I suspect it did not enjoy where it was<br>> planted.<br>> <br>> Lucky Pittman<br>> <br>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:09 AM Elizabeth Hilborn via NAFEX <<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Barbara,<br>>> How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?<br>>> I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?<br>>> <br>>> I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7<br>>> land where I have access.<br>>> <br>>> Thank you,<br>>> Elizabeth<br>>> <br>>> On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:<br>>>> Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!<br>>>> <br>>>> Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...<br>>>> <br>>>> Barbara Rosholdt Zone 6c/7a<br>>>> <br>>>> On 1/4/2024 12:59 PM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>>>>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>> <br>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>> <br>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>> <br>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>>>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Today's Topics:<br>>>>> <br>>>>> 1. 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I'd put them forward<br>as two selections to trial initially.<br>Before I 'knew better', I had Pixwell in full, all-day sun. It grew well<br>and fruited OK for years, but I suspect it did not enjoy where it was<br>planted.<p>Lucky Pittman<p>On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:09 AM Elizabeth Hilborn via NAFEX <<br><a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Barbara,<br>> How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?<br>> I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?<br>><br>> I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7<br>> land where I have access.<br>><br>> Thank you,<br>> Elizabeth<br>><br>> On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:<br>> > Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!<br>> ><br>> > Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...<br>> ><br>> > Barbara Rosholdt Zone 6c/7a<br>> ><br>> > On 1/4/2024 12:59 PM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> >> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> >> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> >> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> >><br>> >> Today's Topics:<br>> >><br>> >> 1. 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Re: currants (Louis Pittman)<br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-6066897529241683042024-01-04T09:58:00.000-08:002024-01-04T09:59:33.659-08:00Re: [NAFEX] currantsGood to see 'old familiar' names surfacing... Jackie, Richard, Donna (we do<br>talk from time to time).<p>I remember my last discussion with Lucille, some years back, about<br>gooseberries... seems that she'd never been able to successfully grow<br>'Glenndale', which I *think* I have here... better than Pixwell, and grows<br>well in a spot that is shaded in the hot afternoon.<p>Lucky Pittman<br>GREAT crop of pecans & hickories here in 2023.<p>On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:20 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br><a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red<br>> currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago,<br>> so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from<br>> her climate.<br>><br>> So good to hear from you all—I miss you!<br>><br>> gratefully,<br>><br>> Jackie<br>><br>><br>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> > On Jan 3, 2024, at 4:17 PM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Today's Topics:<br>> ><br>> > 1. Re: Red Currant recommendations (Ginda Fisher)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500<br>> > From: Ginda Fisher <<a href="mailto:list@ginda.us">list@ginda.us</a>><br>> > To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio<br>> > <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>>, Richard Moyer <<a href="mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com">ramoyer@gmail.com</a>>,<br>> nafex<br>> > <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations<br>> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us">A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us</a>><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>> ><br>> > I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry<br>> bushes<br>> ><br>> > <a href="https://noursefarms.com/">https://noursefarms.com/</a><br>> ><br>> > They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble<br>> with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who<br>> aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the<br>> insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better.<br>> Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious<br>> jelly.<br>> ><br>> > Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than<br>> most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but<br>> it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.<br>> ><br>> > On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <<a href="mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com">ramoyer@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> >> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning<br>> >> from. She's a master propagator.<br>> >><br>> >> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red<br>> Currant<br>> >> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were<br>> >> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,<br>> >> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both<br>> sites<br>> >> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)<br>> >><br>> >> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I<br>> >> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the<br>> top,<br>> >> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran<br>> >> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those<br>> >> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid<br>> >> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in<br>> >> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd<br>> run<br>> >> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.<br>> >><br>> >> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,<br>> >> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> <a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc">https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc</a><br>> >><br>> >> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google<br>> >> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.<br>> >><br>> >> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be<br>> foraging<br>> >> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of<br>> students<br>> >> 3 weeks ago.<br>> >> Richard Moyer<br>> >> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the<br>> >> 90s.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> >>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> >>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> >>> Today's Topics:<br>> >>><br>> >>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>> >>> From: Louis Pittman <<a href="mailto:lpittman@murraystate.edu">lpittman@murraystate.edu</a>><br>> >>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >>> Cc:<br>> >>> Bcc:<br>> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations<br>> >>> Jackie,<br>> >>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going<br>> to<br>> >>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman<br>> Farms:<br>> >>> <a href="https://www.whitmanfarms.com">https://www.whitmanfarms.com</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> Lucky Pittman<br>> >>><br>> >>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a<br>> >>>> place to purchase it?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> thanks,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Jackie Kuehn<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> >>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> >>>>> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Today's Topics:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> >>>>> (Lawrence London)<br>> >>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Message: 1<br>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>> >>>>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> >>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> >>>>> Message-ID:<br>> >>>>> <<br>> >>>> <a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to<br>> a<br>> >>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He<br>> >>> documented<br>> >>>>> the trip with text and video<br>> >>>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to<br>> that<br>> >>>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ------------------------------<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Message: 2<br>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>> >>>>> From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>> >>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>> >>>>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> American Persimmon<br>> >>>>> Diospyros virginiana<br>> >>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>> >>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if<br>> we<br>> >>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> --Henry Fieldseth<br>> >>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ------------------------------<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> __________________<br>> >>>>> nafex mailing list<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ------------------------------<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>> >>>>> *************************************<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> >>>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> __________________<br>> >>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> >>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> __________________<br>> >>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >>><br>> >> __________________<br>> >> NAFEX mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Ginda<br>> ><br>> > Typed with swype. Who knows what i intended to say?<br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Subject: Digest Footer<br>> ><br>> > __________________<br>> > NAFEX mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 15<br>> > **************************************<br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-73856442757062860462024-01-03T15:19:00.000-08:002024-01-03T15:20:18.129-08:00[NAFEX] currantsThank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago, so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from her climate.<p>So good to hear from you all—I miss you!<p>gratefully,<p>Jackie<p><br>Jacquelyn Kuehn<br><a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><p><p>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 4:17 PM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> <br>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Red Currant recommendations (Ginda Fisher)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500<br>> From: Ginda Fisher <<a href="mailto:list@ginda.us">list@ginda.us</a>><br>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio<br>> <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>>, Richard Moyer <<a href="mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com">ramoyer@gmail.com</a>>, nafex<br>> <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us">A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>> <br>> I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes<br>> <br>> <a href="https://noursefarms.com/">https://noursefarms.com/</a><br>> <br>> They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.<br>> <br>> Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions. <br>> <br>> On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <<a href="mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com">ramoyer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning<br>>> from. She's a master propagator.<br>>> <br>>> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant<br>>> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were<br>>> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,<br>>> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites<br>>> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)<br>>> <br>>> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I<br>>> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,<br>>> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran<br>>> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those<br>>> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid<br>>> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in<br>>> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run<br>>> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.<br>>> <br>>> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,<br>>> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.<br>>> <br>>> <a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc">https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc</a><br>>> <br>>> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google<br>>> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.<br>>> <br>>> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging<br>>> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students<br>>> 3 weeks ago.<br>>> Richard Moyer<br>>> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the<br>>> 90s.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>> <br>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>> <br>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>> <br>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>>>> Today's Topics:<br>>>> <br>>>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>>>> From: Louis Pittman <<a href="mailto:lpittman@murraystate.edu">lpittman@murraystate.edu</a>><br>>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <<br>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>>> Cc:<br>>>> Bcc:<br>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations<br>>>> Jackie,<br>>>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to<br>>>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:<br>>>> <a href="https://www.whitmanfarms.com">https://www.whitmanfarms.com</a><br>>>> <br>>>> Lucky Pittman<br>>>> <br>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a<br>>>>> place to purchase it?<br>>>>> <br>>>>> thanks,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Jackie Kuehn<br>>>>> <br>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Today's Topics:<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>>>>> (Lawrence London)<br>>>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Message: 1<br>>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>>>>>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>>>>> Message-ID:<br>>>>>> <<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>>>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He<br>>>> documented<br>>>>>> the trip with text and video<br>>>>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>>>>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Message: 2<br>>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>>>>>> From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>>>>>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> American Persimmon<br>>>>>> Diospyros virginiana<br>>>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>>>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we<br>>>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth<br>>>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> __________________<br>>>>>> nafex mailing list<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>>>>>> *************************************<br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> __________________<br>>>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> __________________<br>>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>>> <br>>> __________________<br>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> <br>> -- <br>> Ginda<br>> <br>> Typed with swype. Who knows what i intended to say?<br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>> <br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 15<br>> **************************************<p>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-37812569969424148562024-01-03T13:08:00.000-08:002024-01-03T13:17:53.741-08:00Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendationsI'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes<p><a href="https://noursefarms.com/">https://noursefarms.com/</a><p>They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.<p>Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions. <p>On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <<a href="mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com">ramoyer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning<br>>from. She's a master propagator.<br>><br>>Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant<br>>trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were<br>>gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,<br>>which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites<br>>with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)<br>><br>>European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I<br>>recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,<br>>for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran<br>>and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those<br>>three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid<br>>parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in<br>>the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run<br>>from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.<br>><br>>Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,<br>>2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.<br>><br>><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc">https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc</a><br>><br>>I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google<br>>for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.<br>><br>>Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging<br>>fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students<br>>3 weeks ago.<br>>Richard Moyer<br>>SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the<br>>90s.<br>><br>><br>><br>>On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>>> Today's Topics:<br>>><br>>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>>> From: Louis Pittman <<a href="mailto:lpittman@murraystate.edu">lpittman@murraystate.edu</a>><br>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Cc:<br>>> Bcc:<br>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600<br>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations<br>>> Jackie,<br>>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to<br>>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:<br>>> <a href="https://www.whitmanfarms.com">https://www.whitmanfarms.com</a><br>>><br>>> Lucky Pittman<br>>><br>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a<br>>> > place to purchase it?<br>>> ><br>>> > thanks,<br>>> ><br>>> > Jackie Kuehn<br>>> ><br>>> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> > > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> > > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > Today's Topics:<br>>> > ><br>>> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> > > (Lawrence London)<br>>> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Message: 1<br>>> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>>> > > From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>>> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> > > Message-ID:<br>>> > > <<br>>> > <a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> > ><br>>> ><br>>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>>> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He<br>>> documented<br>>> > > the trip with text and video<br>>> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>>> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > ------------------------------<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Message: 2<br>>> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>>> > > From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>>> > > To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>>> > > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>>> > ><br>>> > > American Persimmon<br>>> > > Diospyros virginiana<br>>> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>>> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we<br>>> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>>> > ><br>>> > > --Henry Fieldseth<br>>> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > ------------------------------<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Subject: Digest Footer<br>>> > ><br>>> > > __________________<br>>> > > nafex mailing list<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> > > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > ------------------------------<br>>> > ><br>>> > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>>> > > *************************************<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>>> > <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > __________________<br>>> > NAFEX mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> ><br>>><br>>> __________________<br>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>><br>>__________________<br>>NAFEX mailing list<br>><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><p>-- <br>Ginda<p>Typed with swype. Who knows what i intended to say?<br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-89020002414626261162024-01-03T12:41:00.000-08:002024-01-03T12:42:14.574-08:00Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendationsAgreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning<br>from. She's a master propagator.<p>Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant<br>trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were<br>gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,<br>which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites<br>with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)<p>European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I<br>recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,<br>for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran<br>and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those<br>three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid<br>parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in<br>the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run<br>from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.<p>Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,<br>2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.<p><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc">https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc</a><p>I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google<br>for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.<p>Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging<br>fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students<br>3 weeks ago.<br>Richard Moyer<br>SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the<br>90s.<p><p>On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)<br>><br>><br>><br>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>> From: Louis Pittman <<a href="mailto:lpittman@murraystate.edu">lpittman@murraystate.edu</a>><br>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Cc:<br>> Bcc:<br>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600<br>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations<br>> Jackie,<br>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to<br>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:<br>> <a href="https://www.whitmanfarms.com">https://www.whitmanfarms.com</a><br>><br>> Lucky Pittman<br>><br>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a<br>> > place to purchase it?<br>> ><br>> > thanks,<br>> ><br>> > Jackie Kuehn<br>> ><br>> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > ><br>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > ><br>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > ><br>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Today's Topics:<br>> > ><br>> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> > > (Lawrence London)<br>> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Message: 1<br>> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>> > > From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> > > Message-ID:<br>> > > <<br>> > <a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>> > ><br>> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> > ><br>> ><br>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>> > ><br>> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He<br>> documented<br>> > > the trip with text and video<br>> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Message: 2<br>> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>> > > From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>> > > To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>> > > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>> > ><br>> > > American Persimmon<br>> > > Diospyros virginiana<br>> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we<br>> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>> > ><br>> > > --Henry Fieldseth<br>> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Subject: Digest Footer<br>> > ><br>> > > __________________<br>> > > nafex mailing list<br>> > > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> > > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>> > > *************************************<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> > <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > __________________<br>> > NAFEX mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> ><br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-23430727317645389172024-01-03T11:45:00.001-08:002024-01-03T11:45:47.396-08:00Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendationsJackie,<br>Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to<br>purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:<br><a href="https://www.whitmanfarms.com">https://www.whitmanfarms.com</a><p>Lucky Pittman<p>On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<br><a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a<br>> place to purchase it?<br>><br>> thanks,<br>><br>> Jackie Kuehn<br>><br>> > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> ><br>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Today's Topics:<br>> ><br>> > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> > (Lawrence London)<br>> > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>> > From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <<br>> <a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>> ><br>> > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> ><br>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>> ><br>> > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>> > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented<br>> > the trip with text and video<br>> > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>> > project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 2<br>> > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>> > From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>> ><br>> > American Persimmon<br>> > Diospyros virginiana<br>> > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>> > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we<br>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>> ><br>> > --Henry Fieldseth<br>> > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Subject: Digest Footer<br>> ><br>> > __________________<br>> > nafex mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>> > *************************************<br>><br>><br>><br>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-2458937846432067932024-01-02T17:54:00.000-08:002024-01-02T17:55:02.914-08:00Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendationsRed Lake. But Primus, a white currant tastes much better in my opinion.<p>Lee<br>Lee Reich, PhD<br>Come visit my farmden at<br><a href="http://www.leereich.com/blog">http://www.leereich.com/blog</a><br><a href="http://leereich.com">http://leereich.com</a><p>Books by Lee Reich:<br>•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden<br>•A Northeast Gardener's Year<br>•The Pruning Book<br>•Weedless Gardening<br>•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden<br>•Landscaping with Fruit<br>•Grow Fruit Naturally<br>•Growing Figs in Cold Climates<br>• Fruit: From the USDA Pomological Watercolor Collection (Tiny Folio)<p>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a place to purchase it?<br>> <br>> thanks,<br>> <br>> Jackie Kuehn<br>> <br>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> <br>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> <br>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> <br>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Today's Topics:<br>>> <br>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> (Lawrence London)<br>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>> <br>>> Message: 1<br>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> Message-ID:<br>>> <<a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>>> <br>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>>> <br>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented<br>>> the trip with text and video<br>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> ------------------------------<br>>> <br>>> Message: 2<br>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>>> From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>>> To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>>> <br>>> American Persimmon<br>>> Diospyros virginiana<br>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>>> <br>>> --Henry Fieldseth<br>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> ------------------------------<br>>> <br>>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>>> <br>>> __________________<br>>> nafex mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> <br>>> <br>>> ------------------------------<br>>> <br>>> End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>>> *************************************<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><p>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-42021268778380757332024-01-02T15:54:00.001-08:002024-01-02T15:54:47.065-08:00[NAFEX] ribes recommendationsFriends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a place to purchase it?<p>thanks,<p>Jackie Kuehn<p>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a> wrote:<br>> <br>> Send nafex mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> (Lawrence London)<br>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400<br>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:CA%2Bj2Q%2BBdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA%2B5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com">CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>> <br>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan<br>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan">https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan</a><br>> <br>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a<br>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented<br>> the trip with text and video<br>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that<br>> project. A Google site: search might find it.<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>> From: Henry <<a href="mailto:treehugger53ah@yahoo.com">treehugger53ah@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com">819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>> <br>> American Persimmon<br>> Diospyros virginiana<br>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?<br>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.<br>> <br>> --Henry Fieldseth<br>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>> <br>> __________________<br>> nafex mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> End of nafex Digest, Vol 251, Issue 1<br>> *************************************<p><p>Jacquelyn Kuehn<br><a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><p><p>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-56050725393411239062023-11-19T04:27:00.001-08:002023-11-19T04:27:43.560-08:00Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 8I should have typed that <a href="http://www.growingfruit.org">www.growingfruit.org</a><p>On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 6:57 AM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6 (Alan Haigh)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 06:55:14 -0500<br>> From: Alan Haigh <<a href="mailto:alandhaigh@gmail.com">alandhaigh@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAEGtZJyGoQwRb0bUQA6o=Brsr=<br>> <a href="mailto:Ben8m7yPwaGJ--ymsim5jtAA@mail.gmail.com">Ben8m7yPwaGJ--ymsim5jtAA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>><br>> Incidentally, isn't it about time to update this forum? It would be much<br>> more useful if it was put together like this one- <a href="http://www.growingfruit.com">www.growingfruit.com</a><br>> where topics can be searched easily for years. The format does cost a bit<br>> of money, but members could chip in.<br>><br>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 6:51?AM Alan Haigh <<a href="mailto:alandhaigh@gmail.com">alandhaigh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > "On the other hand, some varieties take longer than others to go dormant<br>> > (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that case, spring might be the better<br>> > choice."<br>> ><br>> > I have a bearing age fruit tree nursery and do most of my installations<br>> in<br>> > the fall starting during the last couple weeks of Oct. My apples still<br>> > have leaves here in S. NY and fruit is still firm but I've been<br>> > transplanting 2.5 inch diameter bare root apple trees for almost a month.<br>> > I let the wind strip off most of the leaves while transporting them<br>> without<br>> > tarp protection- I see no need to wait for full defoliation after decades<br>> > of doing this. The strongest leaves at shoot tips that remain on the<br>> trees<br>> > do not cause dangerous dehydration and may help trees to establish<br>> somewhat<br>> > more quickly by pushing immediate root growth in new soil the fall they<br>> are<br>> > tramsplanted. I had seen a Cornell research project where trees were dug<br>> > in Sept and leaves were stripped where survival was fine. Presumably<br>> most<br>> > of the energy is already stored in the wood, but how can one tell where<br>> and<br>> > how much stored energy goes besides observing results? My earlier fall<br>> > transplants thrive at least as well as later ones and seem to do somewhat<br>> > better than spring transplants. This is all based on about 30 years of<br>> > anecdote.<br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:36?AM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> >> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> >> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >><br>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> >> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Today's Topics:<br>> >><br>> >> 1. Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's (Lawrence London)<br>> >> 2. Re: transplanting young apple trees (david liezen)<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Message: 1<br>> >> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:12:31 -0800<br>> >> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> >> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >> Subject: [NAFEX] Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's<br>> >> Message-ID:<br>> >> <CA+j2Q+BoH65-bfu47jGt-yr0uPq+sUTn+zuvgdRiKQ0uJ727=<br>> >> <a href="mailto:A@mail.gmail.com">A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>> >><br>> >> Woman with a cloudberry bucket<br>> >> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr">https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> <a href="https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12">https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Lawrence F. London, Jr.<br>> >> <a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Message: 2<br>> >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:34:06 +0000<br>> >> From: david liezen <<a href="mailto:chandos49@hotmail.com">chandos49@hotmail.com</a>><br>> >> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio<br>> >> <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>> >> Message-ID:<br>> >> <<br>> >><br>> <a href="mailto:IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com">IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com</a><br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"<br>> >><br>> >> Jacquelyn,<br>> >> Yes, both will work. Depending on the winter you get, you may find it<br>> >> easier to re-plant as soon as the tree is dormant & the ground is still<br>> >> soft. Mulch well. If you have inches of frozen ground in spring, that<br>> may<br>> >> also be reason to plant in fall. On the other hand, some varieties take<br>> >> longer than others to go dormant (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that<br>> >> case, spring might be the better choice.<br>> >><br>> >> Glad to see you are grafting. That craft is changing my life, for all<br>> the<br>> >> apples in back are now from grafts I've made. That was not the original<br>> >> goal, but learning to graft is so economical & opens so many more<br>> >> possibilities.<br>> >><br>> >> Dave Liezen<br>> >> ________________________________<br>> >> From: NAFEX <nafex-bounces+chandos49=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org">hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> on<br>> >> behalf of Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 11:53 AM<br>> >> To: NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> >> Cc: Jacquelyn Kuehn <<a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a>><br>> >> Subject: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>> >><br>> >> I successfully grafted (first successes ever!) some young apple trees in<br>> >> spring 2022, and some more in spring 2023. They?ve been growing happily<br>> in<br>> >> a nursery bed. I?d like to move them to permanent locations. May I do<br>> that<br>> >> in fall, after they?re dormant, or should I wait till spring?<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> >> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>> >><br>> >> ><br>> >> > __________________<br>> >> > NAFEX mailing list<br>> >> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > ------------------------------<br>> >> ><br>> >> > End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 260, Issue 1<br>> >> > *************************************<br>> >><br>> >> __________________<br>> >> NAFEX mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Subject: Digest Footer<br>> >><br>> >> __________________<br>> >> NAFEX mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> >> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6<br>> >> *************************************<br>> >><br>> ><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 8<br>> *************************************<br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-77444989093526674852023-11-19T03:55:00.001-08:002023-11-19T03:55:34.085-08:00Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6Incidentally, isn't it about time to update this forum? It would be much<br>more useful if it was put together like this one- <a href="http://www.growingfruit.com">www.growingfruit.com</a><br>where topics can be searched easily for years. The format does cost a bit<br>of money, but members could chip in.<p>On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 6:51 AM Alan Haigh <<a href="mailto:alandhaigh@gmail.com">alandhaigh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<p>> "On the other hand, some varieties take longer than others to go dormant<br>> (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that case, spring might be the better<br>> choice."<br>><br>> I have a bearing age fruit tree nursery and do most of my installations in<br>> the fall starting during the last couple weeks of Oct. My apples still<br>> have leaves here in S. NY and fruit is still firm but I've been<br>> transplanting 2.5 inch diameter bare root apple trees for almost a month.<br>> I let the wind strip off most of the leaves while transporting them without<br>> tarp protection- I see no need to wait for full defoliation after decades<br>> of doing this. The strongest leaves at shoot tips that remain on the trees<br>> do not cause dangerous dehydration and may help trees to establish somewhat<br>> more quickly by pushing immediate root growth in new soil the fall they are<br>> tramsplanted. I had seen a Cornell research project where trees were dug<br>> in Sept and leaves were stripped where survival was fine. Presumably most<br>> of the energy is already stored in the wood, but how can one tell where and<br>> how much stored energy goes besides observing results? My earlier fall<br>> transplants thrive at least as well as later ones and seem to do somewhat<br>> better than spring transplants. This is all based on about 30 years of<br>> anecdote.<br>><br>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:36 AM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>><br>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>>><br>>><br>>> Today's Topics:<br>>><br>>> 1. Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's (Lawrence London)<br>>> 2. Re: transplanting young apple trees (david liezen)<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>> Message: 1<br>>> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:12:31 -0800<br>>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Subject: [NAFEX] Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's<br>>> Message-ID:<br>>> <CA+j2Q+BoH65-bfu47jGt-yr0uPq+sUTn+zuvgdRiKQ0uJ727=<br>>> <a href="mailto:A@mail.gmail.com">A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>>><br>>> Woman with a cloudberry bucket<br>>> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr">https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr</a><br>>><br>>> <a href="https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12">https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.<br>>> <a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------<br>>><br>>> Message: 2<br>>> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:34:06 +0000<br>>> From: david liezen <<a href="mailto:chandos49@hotmail.com">chandos49@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio<br>>> <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>>> Message-ID:<br>>> <<br>>> <a href="mailto:IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com">IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com</a><br>>> ><br>>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"<br>>><br>>> Jacquelyn,<br>>> Yes, both will work. Depending on the winter you get, you may find it<br>>> easier to re-plant as soon as the tree is dormant & the ground is still<br>>> soft. Mulch well. If you have inches of frozen ground in spring, that may<br>>> also be reason to plant in fall. On the other hand, some varieties take<br>>> longer than others to go dormant (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that<br>>> case, spring might be the better choice.<br>>><br>>> Glad to see you are grafting. That craft is changing my life, for all the<br>>> apples in back are now from grafts I've made. That was not the original<br>>> goal, but learning to graft is so economical & opens so many more<br>>> possibilities.<br>>><br>>> Dave Liezen<br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: NAFEX <nafex-bounces+chandos49=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org">hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> on<br>>> behalf of Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 11:53 AM<br>>> To: NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>>> Cc: Jacquelyn Kuehn <<a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a>><br>>> Subject: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>>><br>>> I successfully grafted (first successes ever!) some young apple trees in<br>>> spring 2022, and some more in spring 2023. They?ve been growing happily in<br>>> a nursery bed. I?d like to move them to permanent locations. May I do that<br>>> in fall, after they?re dormant, or should I wait till spring?<br>>><br>>> Thanks.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>>><br>>> ><br>>> > __________________<br>>> > NAFEX mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ------------------------------<br>>> ><br>>> > End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 260, Issue 1<br>>> > *************************************<br>>><br>>> __________________<br>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------<br>>><br>>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>>><br>>> __________________<br>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------<br>>><br>>> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6<br>>> *************************************<br>>><br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-49950090221533579632023-11-19T03:51:00.001-08:002023-11-19T03:51:47.625-08:00Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6"On the other hand, some varieties take longer than others to go dormant<br>(GoldRush is last in my yard). In that case, spring might be the better<br>choice."<p>I have a bearing age fruit tree nursery and do most of my installations in<br>the fall starting during the last couple weeks of Oct. My apples still<br>have leaves here in S. NY and fruit is still firm but I've been<br>transplanting 2.5 inch diameter bare root apple trees for almost a month.<br>I let the wind strip off most of the leaves while transporting them without<br>tarp protection- I see no need to wait for full defoliation after decades<br>of doing this. The strongest leaves at shoot tips that remain on the trees<br>do not cause dangerous dehydration and may help trees to establish somewhat<br>more quickly by pushing immediate root growth in new soil the fall they are<br>tramsplanted. I had seen a Cornell research project where trees were dug<br>in Sept and leaves were stripped where survival was fine. Presumably most<br>of the energy is already stored in the wood, but how can one tell where and<br>how much stored energy goes besides observing results? My earlier fall<br>transplants thrive at least as well as later ones and seem to do somewhat<br>better than spring transplants. This is all based on about 30 years of<br>anecdote.<p>On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:36 AM <<a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:<p>> Send NAFEX mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NAFEX digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's (Lawrence London)<br>> 2. Re: transplanting young apple trees (david liezen)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:12:31 -0800<br>> From: Lawrence London <<a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Subject: [NAFEX] Cloudberry harvest in Finland 1930's-1950's<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CA+j2Q+BoH65-bfu47jGt-yr0uPq+sUTn+zuvgdRiKQ0uJ727=<br>> <a href="mailto:A@mail.gmail.com">A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>><br>> Woman with a cloudberry bucket<br>> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr">https://www.reddit.com/gallery/17xcewr</a><br>><br>> <a href="https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12">https://preview.redd.it/giw0pb33xv0c1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fe9090b0a161cac5599e7b02ae1b9eea0b93e12</a><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.<br>> <a href="mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com">lfljvenaura@gmail.com</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:34:06 +0000<br>> From: david liezen <<a href="mailto:chandos49@hotmail.com">chandos49@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio<br>> <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<br>> <a href="mailto:IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com">IA1PR10MB71153EBA4AD9D514473C4287BEB6A@IA1PR10MB7115.namprd10.prod.outlook.com</a><br>> ><br>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"<br>><br>> Jacquelyn,<br>> Yes, both will work. Depending on the winter you get, you may find it<br>> easier to re-plant as soon as the tree is dormant & the ground is still<br>> soft. Mulch well. If you have inches of frozen ground in spring, that may<br>> also be reason to plant in fall. On the other hand, some varieties take<br>> longer than others to go dormant (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that<br>> case, spring might be the better choice.<br>><br>> Glad to see you are grafting. That craft is changing my life, for all the<br>> apples in back are now from grafts I've made. That was not the original<br>> goal, but learning to graft is so economical & opens so many more<br>> possibilities.<br>><br>> Dave Liezen<br>> ________________________________<br>> From: NAFEX <nafex-bounces+chandos49=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org">hotmail.com@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> on<br>> behalf of Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 11:53 AM<br>> To: NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>><br>> Cc: Jacquelyn Kuehn <<a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a>><br>> Subject: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple trees<br>><br>> I successfully grafted (first successes ever!) some young apple trees in<br>> spring 2022, and some more in spring 2023. They?ve been growing happily in<br>> a nursery bed. I?d like to move them to permanent locations. May I do that<br>> in fall, after they?re dormant, or should I wait till spring?<br>><br>> Thanks.<br>><br>><br>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>><br>> ><br>> > __________________<br>> > NAFEX mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 260, Issue 1<br>> > *************************************<br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 262, Issue 6<br>> *************************************<br>><br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-85605276328208204172023-11-18T08:34:00.001-08:002023-11-18T08:34:21.008-08:00Re: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple treesJacquelyn,
<br>Yes, both will work. Depending on the winter you get, you may find it easier to re-plant as soon as the tree is dormant & the ground is still soft. Mulch well. If you have inches of frozen ground in spring, that may also be reason to plant in fall. On the other hand, some varieties take longer than others to go dormant (GoldRush is last in my yard). In that case, spring might be the better choice.
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<br>Glad to see you are grafting. That craft is changing my life, for all the apples in back are now from grafts I've made. That was not the original goal, but learning to graft is so economical & opens so many more possibilities.
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<br>I successfully grafted (first successes ever!) some young apple trees in spring 2022, and some more in spring 2023. They've been growing happily in a nursery bed. I'd like to move them to permanent locations. May I do that in fall, after they're dormant, or should I wait till spring?
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Maple View Farm was an<br>iconic feature of the landscape, its adjoining ice cream store a must-see,<br>must-taste attraction. Dairyland's rolling hills and long vistas make it a<br>popular bicycling route in midland North Carolina.<p>But today the view has changed. As visitors settle into rocking chairs with<br>their butter pecan, they see not the familiar Holstein cattle grazing the<br>meadows but instead a grid of grape vineyards stretching toward the<br>horizon. The Maple View silo standing sentinel over the fields now bears<br>the name Union Grove Farm, heralding a new and innovative era in the<br>dairyscape.<p>In 2021, a venture capital entrepreneur bought Maple View, with a vision of<br>planting its fields with tens of thousands of grapevines. Greg Bohlen is<br>planting 1,000 acres in muscadines, a native Southern grape that advocates<br>acclaim as a nutrient-dense "superfood" with health benefits ranging from<br>better nutrition to cancer treatment. With the help of a local grape<br>breeder, Bohlen has developed a new strain of muscadine that is seedless,<br>thin-skinned, and sweeter.<p>"We are going to change the world," says Bohlen, who has literally bet the<br>farm—tens of millions of dollars from his VC earnings—on turning Union<br>Grove Farm into a major food producer and demonstration laboratory for new<br>agricultural technology.<p>Bohlen is a nationally recognized starter and seller of businesses, whose<br>successes include the meat-substitute company Beyond Meat and Hero Bread, a<br>low-carb bakery.<p>"I am convinced that if I have a legacy, it will be tied to the farm and<br>not to my venture capital work," he says. "My companies have changed a lot<br>of things in the landscape of the world, but this is literally the first<br>company I've had that can do exceedingly well by doing good."<p>Bohlen is planting muscadines using advanced agricultural technology called<br>regenerative farming. It is a process that eschews fertilizers and<br>pesticides in favor of nutrient-enriched soil to revive fields exhausted by<br>decades of erosion and chemical poisoning. His tools are not tillers and<br>chemicals but sheep and red wiggler worms, tens of thousands of them.<p>This year, Union Grove planted 20 acres of vines and will add 50 more next<br>year, toward the goal of 1,000 over 10 years. Bohlen aims to make the Union<br>Grove grape a moneymaker for his portfolio, but his vision is a public<br>health revolution.<p>"If they are successful, I will say they will be the biggest vineyard in<br>the Southeast," says Mart Bumgarner, North Carolina Agriculture Extension<br>Agent for Orange County. "It's phenomenal that they're bringing this to<br>Orange County."<p>Bumgarner and other farming experts say Union Grove still has a lot to<br>prove to reach that potential. It needs to show both that its new muscadine<br>strain can attract a broader consumer market than traditional muscadines<br>and that regenerative farming—an expensive investment even for a venture<br>capitalist—is worth the cost. It faces some resistance from traditional<br>farmers and the vested interests of the farm world—lenders, property<br>owners, and farm supply companies.<p>There also are questions, faced by any farmer, about environmental threats,<br>insect infestation, and the food safety of a new product. "We do not know<br>what diseases could get them, we do not know about the management system of<br>those grapes at this point in time. And we won't for a very long time,<br>because there is a limited supply of those grapes," says Mark Hoffman, an<br>NC State University agriculture professor who specializes in grapes and<br>other small fruits.<p>Bohlen and his team have heard the skepticism, but they are plowing ahead<br>with a combination of science and field work. They have planted 8,000 vines<br>so far, with a plan to add 30,000 more each year up to 400,000 plants by<br>2030.<p>Bohlen's new strain of muscadine was developed by Hillsborough grape<br>breeder Jeff Bloodworth, a former NCSU grape expert. Test-planting 1,800<br>varieties, Bloodworth developed a seedless, thin-skinned hybrid to supplant<br>the pulpy, hard-husked muscadine traditionally grown in North Carolina. The<br>new grape, by many accounts, is delicious.<p>"Oh my god, have you tasted it?" asks Bumgarner, the extension agent. "It's<br>a cross between a muscadine and a table grape, and the taste is<br>phenomenal."<p>Bloodworth's first generation of fruit, called Razzmatazz, is sold now in<br>Weaver Street Market, Food Lion, and other retailers. He and Bohlen<br>developed a relationship after Bohlen began acquiring land near<br>Hillsborough. Bloodworth has patents on the new strain, and Bohlen controls<br>the marketing rights.<p>The muscadine is considered a nutritional food because it is high in<br>polyphenols, which impart health-improving antioxidants. "These are the<br>reasons your mother told you to eat your fruits and vegetables, to get<br>these dietary polyphenols," says Wake Forest University medical school<br>researcher Patricia Gallagher, who is leading a $20 million study of the<br>health benefits of muscadines. Early results show reductions in tumor<br>growth in prostate and breast cancer.<p>Bohlen is not yet claiming cancer-reduction properties, but he is pinning<br>his hopes on his grape's health benefits.<p>"It's important for a society that continues to be overweight and a society<br>that tends toward pharmaceuticals instead of looking for their food to heal<br>them," he says. "That's our goal, to feed people in a way that makes them<br>healthier, not less healthy."<p>Mary Ann Lila, professor of food and nutrition at NCSU, says the muscadine<br>goes beyond being just a nutritious food. As part of a regular diet, she<br>says, the grapes can protect against chronic diseases like cancer,<br>cardiovascular disease, diabetes, arthritis, and even cognitive decline.<p>"The thing that's so interesting about muscadines, unlike table grapes, is<br>they are not heavily bred, but they are so close to nature," says Lila, who<br>directs NCSU's Plants for Human Health Institute. "They're natural and<br>they're naturally evolved to the Southeastern environment. They're tough,<br>they're very resilient to the insults the environment can impose, and<br>because of that they are a repository for health-protective compounds."<p>The uniqueness of the grape is one of Bohlen's competitive strategies. The<br>other is the regenerative farming process used to grow it. Regenerative<br>farming aims to rehabilitate fields exhausted by erosion and traditional<br>farming practices by building new nutrient-rich soil. The process avoids<br>chemicals and tilling, instead keeping fields planted in cover crops and<br>infusing them with a compost cocktail generated in Union Grove's<br>vermiculture lab.<p>The facility collects tons of debris and food scraps to feed into bins of<br>more than 100,000 red wiggler worms, which digest the scraps and poop out a<br>nutrient-rich compost. A compost tea then is sprayed onto fields of cover<br>crop, building up new layers of high-nutrient soil. Instead of using<br>tractors and mowers, the farm maintains the land using 250 Katahdin sheep<br>that simultaneously graze cover crops and fertilize the fields, priming<br>them for later grape planting.<p>Bohlen says regenerative farming not only rebuilds the soil but also<br>recaptures carbon from the atmosphere. "For every 1 percent of soil organic<br>matter we build, we're taking 8.5 tons of carbon out of the air," he says.<br>"Imagine how the soil that has been for generations depleted by tobacco<br>would respond if it instead built up an inch of topsoil a year, what that<br>would do to our productive agricultural land in North Carolina."<p>Regenerative practices date back to Indigenous populations, but the concept<br>has taken off in recent decades as a movement to reverse climate change and<br>address world hunger. It was spotlighted at the World Economic Forum in<br>2022 and adopted as policy by the Biden administration, which is investing<br>funding to incentivize farmers to adopt sustainable practices.<p>Bohlen and his team are trying to spread the regenerative gospel to<br>traditional farmers and to that end have set up the Center for Regenerative<br>Agriculture at Union Grove to showcase the practices. But they have run<br>into indifference, if not skepticism.<p>"The main challenge we face is going to be the farmer—the small and medium<br>size, the ones that are going out of business," says Martin Crompton,<br>Bohlen's vineyard director. "Ninety percent of them are not making money<br>from farming anymore. What regenerative farming will offer them, if they<br>will open their minds to it, is an opportunity to not just make money from<br>farming but enjoy farming again and encourage their sons and daughters to<br>come in behind them.<p>"If they don't, what we are going to see in North Carolina is out of the 8<br>million acres currently that we've got for farms, a million will be lost in<br>the next 10 years to development."<p>Crompton and Bohlen have tried to set up a meeting with state agriculture<br>commissioner Steve Troxler, but so far that has not panned out. Troxler,<br>through a spokesperson, twice declined interviews for this story.<p>Hoffman, the NCSU grape specialist, says Union Grove's new grape looks<br>promising, but regenerative farming could be a tough sell to traditional<br>farmers. "If there is no economic incentive, I don't see a fresh-market<br>grower changing their practices," he says. "They have to show you can make<br>a profit with that approach."<p>Bohlen says he is absolutely in the grape business to make a profit. "It<br>takes about $100,000 an acre to get grape production," he says. "We<br>generate about $40,000 a year in gross revenue, once we're up and running.<br>That's a 25 percent IRR [internal rate of return]. I'm pretty happy making<br>a 25 percent IRR."<p>Still, Bohlen admits to concerns. "There are a lot of things that worry<br>me," he says. "Can my team do this? … I worry about the money. What happens<br>if I can't keep loading the machine? I worry about the unknowns: Zero<br>degrees for three days. What would a year of insects do?"<p>Other possible issues: Hoffman says grape supply could be an obstacle to<br>mass marketing, since Bloodworth currently is the only producer of the new<br>muscadine strain. Bloodworth says he can easily ramp up production.<p>Lila, the NCSU researcher, says a highly bred variant like Bloodworth's may<br>not confer as much health benefit as a natural muscadine. But she says<br>regenerative practices would help.<p>Bohlen says the greater concern is what happens to the global environment<br>if food production practices don't change. "The challenge for me, as I see<br>it, is we're running out of time. First of all, we're going to be carbon<br>bound; [global] temperature is going to increase. Second, our soils are<br>losing efficacy and ability every single year, making it more difficult to<br>make the transition."<p>He adds, "I think my team is going to be able to pull it off. Look at those<br>vines. Look at how green they are. Look how much bigger the vines get. I'm<br>willing to embarrass myself by talking about it at this point."<p>*Ted Vaden was a reporter and editor with the Raleigh* News & Observer* for<br>32 years. Now retired in Chapel Hill, he is president of the NC Press<br>Foundation, which supports open government and citizens' access to public<br>records.*<br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612534012551871744.post-2036830495939459022023-11-13T07:20:00.001-08:002023-11-13T07:20:13.915-08:00Re: [NAFEX] transplanting young apple treesWater thoroughly until the ground freezes!<p><br> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 09:14:59 AM CST, Henry via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote: <br> <br> I am in Minnesota and November is a recommended time to transplant dormant trees.<p>--Henry Fieldseth<br>Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4<p><br>    On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 07:52:09 AM CST, Elizabeth Hilborn via NAFEX <<a href="mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org">nafex@lists.ibiblio.org</a>> wrote:  <br> <br> Congratulations on your grafting success! Grafting is a great skill to <br>master.<p>I commonly plant fruit trees in November in central NC. They will <br>appreciate a generous topping of mulch after you set them in place. Be <br>sure and protect from deer, and set a protective vole/rabbit collar at <br>the base--winter is prime time for small vertebrate damage.<p>Elizabeth<p>On 11/13/2023 8:25 AM, Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett wrote:<br>> That depends on where you are. I'm in central WI & only move stuff in the spring because I'm not confident that they'll get established before the ground freezes. In areas where it doesn't freeze so deeply you are fine moving it in the fall. That will help to avoid the spring time crunch.<br>> Muffy Barrett<br>><br>> ---------- Original Message ----------<br>><br>> I successfully grafted (first successes ever!) some young apple trees in spring 2022, and some more in spring 2023. They’ve been growing happily in a nursery bed. I’d like to move them to permanent locations. May I do that in fall, after they’re dormant, or should I wait till spring?<br>><br>> Thanks.<br>><br>><br>> Jacquelyn Kuehn<br>> <a href="mailto:jakuehn@verizon.net">jakuehn@verizon.net</a><br>><br>>> __________________<br>>> NAFEX mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------<br>>><br>>> End of NAFEX Digest, Vol 260, Issue 1<br>>> *************************************<br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>><br>> __________________<br>> NAFEX mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br>> <a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><p><br>-- <br>Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM<br>Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC<br><a href="http://beewellvet.com">beewellvet.com</a><p>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br>  <br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a><br> <br>__________________<br>NAFEX mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org">NAFEX@lists.ibiblio.org</a><br>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters<br>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:<br><a href="https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex">https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14954671790362728141noreply@blogger.com0