for me it's an ornamental, very little berry production and barely
hardy enough for z4b...
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> Im working with a client to upgrade and expand edibles on their property.
> They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
> past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
> of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
> varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
> whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
> production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
>
> thanks in advance
> Jono
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[nafex] black lace elderberry
Im working with a client to upgrade and expand edibles on their property.
They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
thanks in advance
Jono
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They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
thanks in advance
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
Greenfield, MA
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
Author of The Permaculture Promise
*https://permaculturepromise.com/ <https://permaculturepromise.com/>*
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Re: [nafex] goumi and mold
Shelly, I grow 2 varieties in your area. I do not have problems with mold. I have them about 6 feet apart and they are at least 7 feet high. They have sun from mid morning through sunset. They have moderate air flow only. Contact me off list if you wish to discussBetsy Hilborn Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold
Hello NAFEXers,Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold. Thank you,Shelley Orby Dare OrchardCedar Grove, NC__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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Hello NAFEXers,
Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.
I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?
I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold.
Thank you,
Shelley
Orby Dare Orchard
Cedar Grove, NC
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Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.
I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?
I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold.
Thank you,
Shelley
Orby Dare Orchard
Cedar Grove, NC
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Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
Well that is encouraging. I am in Payette Idaho, Zone 6 Oregon border. Not that much wind. But my front flower bed has extra heat reflected down on it from the wall of the house that faces west. As a result I have a faithfully bearing apricot tree. And raspberries, and currants.
Naomi
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Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
> amazing claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
> all are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree
> s.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think
> they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
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>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
> amazing claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
> all are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree
> s.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think
> they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:
> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early
enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
> do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
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>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
>> claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
>> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
>> are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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[nafex] Jujube?
Ask Cliff @ England's Nursery. He is a jujube maven!
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Re: [nafex] Jujube?
Richard, Which varieties have survived and borne in your cooler area?
Any recommendations?
Betsy
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> Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
> date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
> many July days is lower 90s.
> I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
> year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
> Richard Moyer
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> Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
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> On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter
> injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.
>
> Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter
> injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.
> On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
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> Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
> date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
> many July days is lower 90s.
> I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
> year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
> Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
Hmm. Maybe I should give jujube a try. Our season didn't use to be reliably that long; but now most of the time it's longer. I'm not sure I've ever seen -17 F here; and even negative low teens has become quite uncommon.
— and I'd like to say that it's nice to see this list resurface in my mailbox!
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
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[nafex] Jujube?
Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
many July days is lower 90s.
I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
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date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
many July days is lower 90s.
I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
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[nafex] Jujube hardiness
Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter
injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.
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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
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injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.
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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] jujube?
Jujubes-- if the right variety is selected they can do well in cooler more coastal conditions - I have grown Li which does not need as much heat as the others.
Idle In El Sobrante CA
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think
> they'll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
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>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] jujube?
Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early
enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
> do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
>> claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
>> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
>> are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] jujube?
I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:
> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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[nafex] jujube?
A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing claim.
"Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all are rated Zone 5.
https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Tuesday, October 16, 2018
Re: [nafex] Northern Blackberries
I have tried all blackberries that I could find offered for sale
from catalogs and while a few were both hardy and productive, all were
very susceptible to fungi. One variety, Thibodaux was worthy but
needed to be buried under the snow to thrive.
from catalogs and while a few were both hardy and productive, all were
very susceptible to fungi. One variety, Thibodaux was worthy but
needed to be buried under the snow to thrive.
SO, I developed my own to be super hardy, quite productive, disease
resistant, and even grows in the filtered sunlight among pine trees.
-----------------------------------------From: "James Snow [KDHE]"
To: "jimfruth@charter.net"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday October 16 2018 8:51:33AM
Subject: Northern Blackberries
Hello. My name Is James Snow. I see you are the NAFEX interest group
leader for Rubus for the north. I have been interested in growing
blackberries in Kansas. The few kinds I have grown seem to have lots
of winter kill. I am currently looking at gathering hardy blackberry
varieties for trial and possible breeding here. Kansas is challenging
as it gets both very hot in summer and very cold in winter. It seems
many of the very hardy blackberry varieties are hard to locate. I have
tried to find "Illini Hardy" with no success. Do you have any
experience with "Nelson" or "Stenulson". Any recomondations?
Also do you have any experience with wild "Rubus Canadensis" the
Canada Smooth Blackberry, Thornless? Thanks
-James
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Friday, October 12, 2018
Re: [nafex] Sweet European fruit
Andy Mariani grows some Mirabelle in CA. I don't think he ships them fresh,
though, and they don't seem to dry well.
https://andysorchard.com/harvest-calendar
If you're interested in trees, Arboreum sells some.
https://arboreumco.com/collections/european-plums
Megan Lynch
http://www.meganlynch.net
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though, and they don't seem to dry well.
https://andysorchard.com/harvest-calendar
If you're interested in trees, Arboreum sells some.
https://arboreumco.com/collections/european-plums
Megan Lynch
http://www.meganlynch.net
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[nafex] Sweet European fruit
I recently sampled Mirabelle plums and Buerre Hardy pears. Both are
incredibly sweet and luscious.
incredibly sweet and luscious.
Are they available in N America, perhaps under different names?
Betsy Hilborn
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Tuesday, October 9, 2018
Re: [nafex] pear question
Jim,
How would you trace its origin?
--Henry
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Henry,
I have a HUGE pear
tree too. I don't remember the variety and it
doesn't make any difference. I'd bet it
is the same variety as yours
and, if I absolutely had to, I'd bet
that I could trace its origin and
name.
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nafex"
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Sent: Monday October 8 2018 4:28:46PM
Subject: [nafex] pear question
There is a large pear tree in the
former pasture behind the farm in
Dakota County, Minnesota.
Its trunk is about 40 inches in
diameter. It towers above the other
trees around it.
The beautiful display of white flowers
got my attention this spring.
The fruit are a couple inches long,
pear shaped and green when they
fall from the tree. Hard but tasty.
It does not match callery pear nor
Ussurian pear.
Any way to figure what kind of pear we
have?
--Henry Fieldseth
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Re: [nafex] pear question
Henry,
I have a HUGE pear tree too. I don't remember the variety and it
doesn't make any difference. I'd bet it is the same variety as yours
and, if I absolutely had to, I'd bet that I could trace its origin and
name.
-----------------------------------------From: "Henry via nafex"
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Cc: "Henry"
Sent: Monday October 8 2018 4:28:46PM
Subject: [nafex] pear question
There is a large pear tree in the former pasture behind the farm in
Dakota County, Minnesota.
Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other
trees around it.
The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they
fall from the tree. Hard but tasty.
It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
Any way to figure what kind of pear we have?
--Henry Fieldseth
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I have a HUGE pear tree too. I don't remember the variety and it
doesn't make any difference. I'd bet it is the same variety as yours
and, if I absolutely had to, I'd bet that I could trace its origin and
name.
-----------------------------------------From: "Henry via nafex"
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: "Henry"
Sent: Monday October 8 2018 4:28:46PM
Subject: [nafex] pear question
There is a large pear tree in the former pasture behind the farm in
Dakota County, Minnesota.
Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other
trees around it.
The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they
fall from the tree. Hard but tasty.
It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
Any way to figure what kind of pear we have?
--Henry Fieldseth
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Henry, it is unlikely you will find an answer with a simple description
like this, although the location of the pear may be your best lead- if
there is any information of what varieties were grown in your region over a
century ago (you could ask the librarian of the land grant university in
your state if there is any literature on the subject). In the end, the
chances are good that it is a seedling, in which case it is whatever you
want to call it.
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> There is a large pear tree in the former pasture behind the farm in Dakota
> County, Minnesota.
>
> Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other trees
> around it.
>
> The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
>
> The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they fall
> from the tree. Hard but tasty.
>
> It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
>
> Any way to figure what kind of pear we have?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
>
>
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like this, although the location of the pear may be your best lead- if
there is any information of what varieties were grown in your region over a
century ago (you could ask the librarian of the land grant university in
your state if there is any literature on the subject). In the end, the
chances are good that it is a seedling, in which case it is whatever you
want to call it.
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> There is a large pear tree in the former pasture behind the farm in Dakota
> County, Minnesota.
>
> Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other trees
> around it.
>
> The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
>
> The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they fall
> from the tree. Hard but tasty.
>
> It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
>
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[nafex] pear question
There is a large pear tree in the former pasture behind the farm in Dakota County, Minnesota.
Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other trees around it.
The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they fall from the tree. Hard but tasty.
It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
Any way to figure what kind of pear we have?
--Henry Fieldseth
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Its trunk is about 40 inches in diameter. It towers above the other trees around it.
The beautiful display of white flowers got my attention this spring.
The fruit are a couple inches long, pear shaped and green when they fall from the tree. Hard but tasty.
It does not match callery pear nor Ussurian pear.
Any way to figure what kind of pear we have?
--Henry Fieldseth
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[nafex] Fwd: PAECILOMYCES ROT, APPLE
FYI from ProMed mail
PAECILOMYCES ROT, APPLE - USA: (NEW YORK), NEW DISEASE
******************************************************
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International Society for Infectious Diseases <http://www.isid.org>
Date: Mon 2 Apr 2018
Source: WHCU News Talk Radio [edited]
<http://whcuradio.com/news/025520-apple-mold-confounds/>
A mold found in more than a 3rd of the soil samples from New York State apple orchards is causing a new disease, spoiling apples, even after heat pasteurization. The state is the top producer of processed apple products and they all rely on pasteurization.
Cornell's Kathie Hodge and Megan Biango-Daniels investigated the origins of a newly discovered apple disease called Paecilomyces Rot, caused by the common fungus found in 34 per cent of state orchards.
Previously, scientists believed the fungus was coming from soil contamination, but Hodge and Biango-Daniels believe other infected apples are the primary source.
Since this new apple disease appears similar in appearance to others, the scientists suggest apple producers isolate any of the fruit with wounds or bruising in order to avoid the spread of Paecilomyces Rot.
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[The fungus causing this new disease has been identified as _Byssochlamys lagunculariae_ (previously _Paecilomyces niveus_; see source link below). The external fruit rot develops mainly in storage after harvest and symptoms appear to be similar to fruit rots due to other fungi. Susceptibility may vary somewhat between apple cultivars.
The fungus survives in orchard soils and on decaying plant material.
The significance of this report is stated as (1) the production of a mycotoxin, and (2) the fungus remaining infectious after commercial pasteurisation. Spores are reported to be tolerant of temperatures of up to 90 degrees Celsius [194 F] and are suspected to be the cause of spoilage of canned products, leading to severe economic losses for the affected apple producers. This pathogen also appears to facilitate secondary infections by other fungi.
Other species in the genus _Byssochlamys_ are also known to produce mycotoxins and form heat resistant ascospores. They have been reported from soils in many areas and can cause problems, for example, in grapevine and tomato products.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
Apple with paecilomyces rot:
<http://news.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/styles/breakout/public/2018-03/0329_apple.jpg>
_B. lagunculariae_, microscopy:
<https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jos_Houbraken/publication/41669957/figure/fig4/AS:202806704250901@1425364295000/Byssochlamys-lagunculariae-a-d-Conidiophores-e-conidia-f-asci-and-ascospores-Bys.png>
Links
Additional news story and source study (accepted for publication):
<http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/03/new-apple-disease-spoils-even-
pasteurized-foods> (thanks to G. Jackson, Pestnet) and
<https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/10.1094/PDIS-12-17-1896-RE>
Information on genus _Byssochlamys_ and associated diseases:
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC243237/>,
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2789542/> and via <https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/byssochlamys>
_B. lagunculariae_ taxonomy and synonyms:
<http://www.speciesfungorum.org/GSD/GSDspecies.asp?RecordID=512557>
and
<http://www.speciesfungorum.org/Names/SynSpecies.asp?RecordID=512557>.
- Mod.DHA]
[See Also:
2017
----
Crown & root rot, apple - USA: (eastern)
http://promedmail.org/post/20170821.5263568
2012
----
Fungal diseases, apple - USA: (NY, MI)
http://promedmail.org/post/20120906.1282861
2005
----
Canker and twig dieback, apple, pear - USA (WA) http://promedmail.org/post/20051015.3001]
.................................................sb/dha/ec/dk
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PAECILOMYCES ROT, APPLE - USA: (NEW YORK), NEW DISEASE
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A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases <http://www.isid.org>
Date: Mon 2 Apr 2018
Source: WHCU News Talk Radio [edited]
<http://whcuradio.com/news/025520-apple-mold-confounds/>
A mold found in more than a 3rd of the soil samples from New York State apple orchards is causing a new disease, spoiling apples, even after heat pasteurization. The state is the top producer of processed apple products and they all rely on pasteurization.
Cornell's Kathie Hodge and Megan Biango-Daniels investigated the origins of a newly discovered apple disease called Paecilomyces Rot, caused by the common fungus found in 34 per cent of state orchards.
Previously, scientists believed the fungus was coming from soil contamination, but Hodge and Biango-Daniels believe other infected apples are the primary source.
Since this new apple disease appears similar in appearance to others, the scientists suggest apple producers isolate any of the fruit with wounds or bruising in order to avoid the spread of Paecilomyces Rot.
--
Communicated by:
ProMED-mail
<promed@promedmail.org>
[The fungus causing this new disease has been identified as _Byssochlamys lagunculariae_ (previously _Paecilomyces niveus_; see source link below). The external fruit rot develops mainly in storage after harvest and symptoms appear to be similar to fruit rots due to other fungi. Susceptibility may vary somewhat between apple cultivars.
The fungus survives in orchard soils and on decaying plant material.
The significance of this report is stated as (1) the production of a mycotoxin, and (2) the fungus remaining infectious after commercial pasteurisation. Spores are reported to be tolerant of temperatures of up to 90 degrees Celsius [194 F] and are suspected to be the cause of spoilage of canned products, leading to severe economic losses for the affected apple producers. This pathogen also appears to facilitate secondary infections by other fungi.
Other species in the genus _Byssochlamys_ are also known to produce mycotoxins and form heat resistant ascospores. They have been reported from soils in many areas and can cause problems, for example, in grapevine and tomato products.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
Apple with paecilomyces rot:
<http://news.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/styles/breakout/public/2018-03/0329_apple.jpg>
_B. lagunculariae_, microscopy:
<https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jos_Houbraken/publication/41669957/figure/fig4/AS:202806704250901@1425364295000/Byssochlamys-lagunculariae-a-d-Conidiophores-e-conidia-f-asci-and-ascospores-Bys.png>
Links
Additional news story and source study (accepted for publication):
<http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/03/new-apple-disease-spoils-even-
pasteurized-foods> (thanks to G. Jackson, Pestnet) and
<https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/10.1094/PDIS-12-17-1896-RE>
Information on genus _Byssochlamys_ and associated diseases:
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC243237/>,
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2789542/> and via <https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/byssochlamys>
_B. lagunculariae_ taxonomy and synonyms:
<http://www.speciesfungorum.org/GSD/GSDspecies.asp?RecordID=512557>
and
<http://www.speciesfungorum.org/Names/SynSpecies.asp?RecordID=512557>.
- Mod.DHA]
[See Also:
2017
----
Crown & root rot, apple - USA: (eastern)
http://promedmail.org/post/20170821.5263568
2012
----
Fungal diseases, apple - USA: (NY, MI)
http://promedmail.org/post/20120906.1282861
2005
----
Canker and twig dieback, apple, pear - USA (WA) http://promedmail.org/post/20051015.3001]
.................................................sb/dha/ec/dk
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[nafex] Prairie series american persimmons
Checking to see if anyone has any experience with the 'prairie' series of
american persimmons? Prairie dawn, prairie star, prairie sun...
(trademarked). Didnt see any notes when I searched back messages. Im really
liking how easy american persimmons are to grow- very reliable bearing and
little pest issues. Looking for good varieties and I saw these in the one
green world catalog.
Jono
Massachusetts
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
Author of The Permaculture Promise, Storey Publishing, 2016
*https://permaculturepromise.com/ <https://permaculturepromise.com/>*
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american persimmons? Prairie dawn, prairie star, prairie sun...
(trademarked). Didnt see any notes when I searched back messages. Im really
liking how easy american persimmons are to grow- very reliable bearing and
little pest issues. Looking for good varieties and I saw these in the one
green world catalog.
Jono
Massachusetts
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
Author of The Permaculture Promise, Storey Publishing, 2016
*https://permaculturepromise.com/ <https://permaculturepromise.com/>*
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Friday, March 2, 2018
Re: [nafex] Seeking Dan Bussey
608.751.2546
Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at
http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
Books by Lee Reich:
•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Gary Woods <garygarlic@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Anybody have contact info for Dan Bussey, apparently now the former
> manager of the Seed Saver's Exchange heritage orchard in Decorah, IA?
> A friend was in touch with him to get scionwood of some at-risk
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Anybody have contact info for Dan Bussey, apparently now the former
manager of the Seed Saver's Exchange heritage orchard in Decorah, IA?
A friend was in touch with him to get scionwood of some at-risk
varieties, but got the "no longer with us" response.
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manager of the Seed Saver's Exchange heritage orchard in Decorah, IA?
A friend was in touch with him to get scionwood of some at-risk
varieties, but got the "no longer with us" response.
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Re: [nafex] International Fruit & Nut Enthusiasts & Breeders
That's always been the case with this list. There was a long time when if you googled my name, you found the list archives (with my email info). It seems less problematic now than in the past, since spam is a less serious problem than it used to be.
Ginda
> On Jan 22, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [nafex] International Fruit & Nut Enthusiasts & Breeders
Someone just contacted me as a result of finding this blog and I was a bit
shocked to see that listmembers' email addresses are occasionally published
in full in these blog posts. I appreciate there being an archive, but I'm
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in full in these blog posts. I appreciate there being an archive, but I'm
certain that some of us wouldn't want our email addresses publicly
available to people who are not subscribed to this list.
Thank you,
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[nafex] More US plant pathology in ProMed
Cherry virus post in ProMed
See below - links at end of post
2. PRO/PL> Cherry viruses - USA: spread (promed@promedmail.org)
CHERRY VIRUSES - USA: SPREAD
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Date: Thu 28 Dec 2017
Source: Washington Ag Network [edited]
<http://www.washingtonagnetwork.com/2017/12/28/cherry-viruses-moving-washington-oregon/>
Researchers at Oregon State University [OSU] have discovered that many of the viruses that have plagued the cherry growers in Washington [see ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20140127.2233739] have moved to Oregon: viruses like cherry leaf roll virus, tomato ringspot, tobacco ringspot and little cherry disease.
OSU's Jay Pscheidt said it's important for growers to not ignore problems, look for symptoms and work with labs that can test for these diseases. "Our next step is to find out how prevalent they are."
Removal of viruses that you don't know are there is obviously quite difficult.
[Byline: Kevin Rounce]
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[Around 30 viruses have been found to affect sweet (_Prunus avium_) and/or sour (_P. cerasus_) cherry trees, singly or in coinfections.
Many of them also affect other _Prunus_ species.
Of the viruses mentioned above, _Cherry leafroll virus (CLRV), _Tomato ringspot virus_ (ToRSV) and _Tobacco ringspot virus_ (TRSV) all belong to genus _Nepovirus_. On cherry, CLRV and TRSV mainly cause leaf symptoms as indicated by their names, ToRSV has also been associated with stem pitting. Generally, members of the genus are transmitted by nematodes, but most can also be transmitted by mechanical means, with infected planting and grafting material and to varying degrees by seed and pollen.
Little cherry disease (LCD) is a serious problem for sweet and sour cherry producers in parts of northern Europe and North America. It can be caused by 2 closteroviruses, _Little cherry virus 1_ (LChV-1, not yet assigned to a genus) and LChV-2 (genus _Ampelovirus_), in single or mixed infections. Symptoms vary with host cultivars, but may include reduced size and quality of fruit, premature leaf reddening, stunting of seedlings and some loss of tree vigour. All commercial cherry cultivars are susceptible, and ornamental flowering cherries can be asymptomatic reservoirs of LChV-1. LChV-2 is transmitted by mealybug vectors which can be spread by wind and with packing material. An insect vector for LChV-1 is not known. Both viruses can be spread by both shoot and root grafting and with infected plant material.
Disease management for fruit tree viruses may include phytosanitation in orchards, use of certified clean planting stock and budwood, elimination of inoculum (removal of infected trees) and vector control if feasible.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/usa-state-and-capital-map.html>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
LCD symptoms:
<https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/sites/gateway/files/Cherry%201_0.jpg>,
<http://treefruit.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/little-cherry-disease-andrea-bixby-brosi.png>,
<http://www.bctfpg.ca/files/leaf(1).jpg> and <http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0006/273867/LChV2_leaves_web.jpg>
LCD affected cherry seedlings:
<http://www.forestryimages.org/images/768x512/0656032.jpg>
LCD photo gallery:
<http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/subimages.cfm?sub=11205>
Cherry leafroll disease:
<http://plantdoctor.pbworks.com/f/Cherry%2520stunt%2520leaf%2520roll%2520brubaker.jpg>
and
<http://pbt.padil.gov.au/pbt/files/uall/CLRV_symptoms2.jpg>
(coinfection with _Prunus necrotic ringspot virus_, compared to
healthy)
CLRV, electron micrograph:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpvfigs/d306f07.jpg>
Some cherry virus symptoms via:
<https://www.ipmimages.org/browse/Areathumb.cfm?area=127>
Links
Additional news stories:
<http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/jan/05/tree-virus-discovered-td/>
and
<http://koin.com/2017/12/12/researchers-hope-to-prevent-cherry-viruses-in-oregon/>
Information on little cherry disease and viruses:
<http://www.plantwise.org/KnowledgeBank/Datasheet.aspx?dsid=16072>,
<https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/plant-biosecurity/little-cherry-disease-pest-data-sheet>,
<http://www.bctfpg.ca/pest_guide/info/128/> and <http://www.slideshare.net/treddout/little-cherry-virus-2>
Information on CLRV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=306> and <http://pbt.padil.gov.au/pbt/index.php?q=node/20&pbtID=151>
Information on ToRSV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=290>
Information on TRSV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=309>
Information on various cherry viruses:
<https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/cherry-prunus-spp-virus-induced-cherry-decline>
and
<https://www.sag.gob.cl/content/detection-virus-and-virus-diseasbs-fruit-trees>
Current list of cherry viruses:
<https://openagrar.bmel-forschung.de/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/Document_derivate_00008980/Classification%20of%20pome%20and%20stone%20fruit%20viruses.pdf>
Virus taxonomy via:
<https://talk.ictvonline.org/taxonomy/>
- Mod.DHA
A HealthMap/ProMED-mail map can be accessed at:
<http://healthmap.org/promed/p/106>.]
[See Also:
2015
----
Tomato ringspot virus, pomegranate - Italy ex USA
http://promedmail.org/post/20151118.3799622
2014
----
Plum pox virus, sour cherry - Russia: new strain
http://promedmail.org/post/20140621.2555998
Little cherry disease - Australia (02): LChV-2, 1st rep (TS)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140304.2309952
Little cherry disease - Australia: (TS) susp
http://promedmail.org/post/20140205.2255550
Little cherry disease - USA: (WA)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140127.2233739
Plum pox virus - Japan, Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20140410.2394198
2011
----
Prunus necrotic ringspot virus - Saudi Arabia: (JF) 1st rep
http://promedmail.org/post/20110530.1649
2010
----
Plum pox virus, stone fruit - Canada: (ON) update
http://promedmail.org/post/20100406.1101
2007
----
Plum pox virus, stone fruit - USA (NY): quarantine
http://promedmail.org/post/20070727.2417
Plum pox potyvirus, stone fruit - USA (MI): quarantine
http://promedmail.org/post/20070504.1449
2005
----
Cherry green mottle virus, sweet cherry - Poland
http://promedmail.org/post/20051209.3554
2004
----
Cherry virus A, little cherry virus-1 - Poland
http://promedmail.org/post/20040822.2337
2003
----
Tree fruits, viruses, viroids - Syria: survey
http://promedmail.org/post/20030817.2055
2002
----
Little cherry virus, sweet cherry - Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20021201.5940
2001
----
Cherry virus A, sweet cherry - UK
http://promedmail.org/post/20010822.1982
and additional items on cherry viruses in the archives] .................................................sb/dha/msp/ml
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CHERRY VIRUSES - USA: SPREAD
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Date: Thu 28 Dec 2017
Source: Washington Ag Network [edited]
<http://www.washingtonagnetwork.com/2017/12/28/cherry-viruses-moving-washington-oregon/>
Researchers at Oregon State University [OSU] have discovered that many of the viruses that have plagued the cherry growers in Washington [see ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20140127.2233739] have moved to Oregon: viruses like cherry leaf roll virus, tomato ringspot, tobacco ringspot and little cherry disease.
OSU's Jay Pscheidt said it's important for growers to not ignore problems, look for symptoms and work with labs that can test for these diseases. "Our next step is to find out how prevalent they are."
Removal of viruses that you don't know are there is obviously quite difficult.
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[Around 30 viruses have been found to affect sweet (_Prunus avium_) and/or sour (_P. cerasus_) cherry trees, singly or in coinfections.
Many of them also affect other _Prunus_ species.
Of the viruses mentioned above, _Cherry leafroll virus (CLRV), _Tomato ringspot virus_ (ToRSV) and _Tobacco ringspot virus_ (TRSV) all belong to genus _Nepovirus_. On cherry, CLRV and TRSV mainly cause leaf symptoms as indicated by their names, ToRSV has also been associated with stem pitting. Generally, members of the genus are transmitted by nematodes, but most can also be transmitted by mechanical means, with infected planting and grafting material and to varying degrees by seed and pollen.
Little cherry disease (LCD) is a serious problem for sweet and sour cherry producers in parts of northern Europe and North America. It can be caused by 2 closteroviruses, _Little cherry virus 1_ (LChV-1, not yet assigned to a genus) and LChV-2 (genus _Ampelovirus_), in single or mixed infections. Symptoms vary with host cultivars, but may include reduced size and quality of fruit, premature leaf reddening, stunting of seedlings and some loss of tree vigour. All commercial cherry cultivars are susceptible, and ornamental flowering cherries can be asymptomatic reservoirs of LChV-1. LChV-2 is transmitted by mealybug vectors which can be spread by wind and with packing material. An insect vector for LChV-1 is not known. Both viruses can be spread by both shoot and root grafting and with infected plant material.
Disease management for fruit tree viruses may include phytosanitation in orchards, use of certified clean planting stock and budwood, elimination of inoculum (removal of infected trees) and vector control if feasible.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/usa-state-and-capital-map.html>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
LCD symptoms:
<https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/sites/gateway/files/Cherry%201_0.jpg>,
<http://treefruit.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/little-cherry-disease-andrea-bixby-brosi.png>,
<http://www.bctfpg.ca/files/leaf(1).jpg> and <http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0006/273867/LChV2_leaves_web.jpg>
.jpg){kind=link}
LCD affected cherry seedlings:
<http://www.forestryimages.org/images/768x512/0656032.jpg>
LCD photo gallery:
<http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/subimages.cfm?sub=11205>
Cherry leafroll disease:
<http://plantdoctor.pbworks.com/f/Cherry%2520stunt%2520leaf%2520roll%2520brubaker.jpg>
and
<http://pbt.padil.gov.au/pbt/files/uall/CLRV_symptoms2.jpg>
(coinfection with _Prunus necrotic ringspot virus_, compared to
healthy)
CLRV, electron micrograph:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpvfigs/d306f07.jpg>
Some cherry virus symptoms via:
<https://www.ipmimages.org/browse/Areathumb.cfm?area=127>
Links
Additional news stories:
<http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/jan/05/tree-virus-discovered-td/>
and
<http://koin.com/2017/12/12/researchers-hope-to-prevent-cherry-viruses-in-oregon/>
Information on little cherry disease and viruses:
<http://www.plantwise.org/KnowledgeBank/Datasheet.aspx?dsid=16072>,
<https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/plant-biosecurity/little-cherry-disease-pest-data-sheet>,
<http://www.bctfpg.ca/pest_guide/info/128/> and <http://www.slideshare.net/treddout/little-cherry-virus-2>
Information on CLRV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=306> and <http://pbt.padil.gov.au/pbt/index.php?q=node/20&pbtID=151>
Information on ToRSV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=290>
Information on TRSV:
<http://www.dpvweb.net/dpv/showdpv.php?dpvno=309>
Information on various cherry viruses:
<https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/cherry-prunus-spp-virus-induced-cherry-decline>
and
<https://www.sag.gob.cl/content/detection-virus-and-virus-diseasbs-fruit-trees>
Current list of cherry viruses:
<https://openagrar.bmel-forschung.de/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/Document_derivate_00008980/Classification%20of%20pome%20and%20stone%20fruit%20viruses.pdf>
Virus taxonomy via:
<https://talk.ictvonline.org/taxonomy/>
- Mod.DHA
A HealthMap/ProMED-mail map can be accessed at:
<http://healthmap.org/promed/p/106>.]
[See Also:
2015
----
Tomato ringspot virus, pomegranate - Italy ex USA
http://promedmail.org/post/20151118.3799622
2014
----
Plum pox virus, sour cherry - Russia: new strain
http://promedmail.org/post/20140621.2555998
Little cherry disease - Australia (02): LChV-2, 1st rep (TS)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140304.2309952
Little cherry disease - Australia: (TS) susp
http://promedmail.org/post/20140205.2255550
Little cherry disease - USA: (WA)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140127.2233739
Plum pox virus - Japan, Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20140410.2394198
2011
----
Prunus necrotic ringspot virus - Saudi Arabia: (JF) 1st rep
http://promedmail.org/post/20110530.1649
2010
----
Plum pox virus, stone fruit - Canada: (ON) update
http://promedmail.org/post/20100406.1101
2007
----
Plum pox virus, stone fruit - USA (NY): quarantine
http://promedmail.org/post/20070727.2417
Plum pox potyvirus, stone fruit - USA (MI): quarantine
http://promedmail.org/post/20070504.1449
2005
----
Cherry green mottle virus, sweet cherry - Poland
http://promedmail.org/post/20051209.3554
2004
----
Cherry virus A, little cherry virus-1 - Poland
http://promedmail.org/post/20040822.2337
2003
----
Tree fruits, viruses, viroids - Syria: survey
http://promedmail.org/post/20030817.2055
2002
----
Little cherry virus, sweet cherry - Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20021201.5940
2001
----
Cherry virus A, sweet cherry - UK
http://promedmail.org/post/20010822.1982
and additional items on cherry viruses in the archives] .................................................sb/dha/msp/ml
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[nafex] Sudden Apple Decline, Eastern US
Saw this today about sudden apple decline on my ID listserve.
Original article from:
https://www.growingmagazine.com/education/rapid-apple-decline-psu-remains-mystery/
Other links on topic at end of post.
PRO/PL> Undiagnosed sudden decline, apple - USA
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 03:02:35 +0000
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Subject: PRO/PL> Undiagnosed sudden decline, apple - USA
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UNDIAGNOSED SUDDEN DECLINE, APPLE - USA
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Date: Mon 25 Dec 2017
Source: Growing [edited]
<https://www.growingmagazine.com/education/rapid-apple-decline-psu-remains-mystery/>
In the Northeast [of the US], Canada and North Carolina, young dwarf trees in high-density orchards are dying [see ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911] with increased frequency.
The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, Cornell University, University of North Carolina and others have teamed up to solve the mystery of Rapid (or Sudden) Apple Decline (RAD or SAD).
There seems to be some connection to M9 rootstock, although other rootstocks also can be impacted. Fuji, Gala and Golden Delicious cultivars appear most susceptible. This might indicate some cultivar-rootstock combination triggering RAD. Observations do not point to any specific pathogen, abiotic factors may play a role, [but] there is no obvious common denominator among the impacted trees.
Trees, even those full of fruit, quickly die from RAD. The graft union shows necrosis [which] continues up the bark. Severe bark shedding near the graft union [and] cankers are also seen. Within 2 to 3 weeks, leaves turn yellow and the tree dies. There are few signals that anything is wrong prior to the sudden emergence of symptoms. Trees collapse completely, despite the wood being solid and the roots healthy. In any given block, trees with RAD are scattered with no pattern, [and] some trees can remain healthy.
Because stress is believed to be a factor in RAD, growers are advised to eliminate as many stressors as possible. Alternative rootstocks to
M9 could afford protection. Other [factors] may be playing some role in the syndrome and viruses or [other] pathogens - known or as yet unidentified - may also be contributing.
[Byline: Tamara Scully]
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[This undiagnosed disease or disorder in apple orchards was previously reported from Michigan and New York (ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911). It now appears to be much more widely distributed but unfortunately not much progress seems to have been made in the search for a cause.
Association with specific dwarfing rootstocks and apple varieties may imply graft transmissible agents such as viruses, viroids or phytoplasmas. Molecular methods are needed for their detection, but no information is provided in the report above whether a systematic molecular search for any pathogens has already been undertaken. As mentioned above, SAD may also represent a syndrome including a number of different factors, which would make the task of identifying a cause much more complex.
Generally, to identify a biotic or abiotic cause for a disease or disorder of unknown aetiology, a defined process must be followed:
description of specific symptoms in individual plants; patterns of their distribution in space and time; evidence for or against transmission of symptoms and spread of the condition; Koch's rules (i.e. to re-isolate an infectious pathogen after culture and transmission, or equivalent process for non-culturable pathogens) to test for causation by a biotic agent; molecular studies to identify a known or characterise a novel potential infectious agent. Especially in slow growing hosts, such as trees, this process may take many years and it would be complicated considerably if a previously unknown pathogen were to be involved.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/usa-state-and-capital-map.html>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
SAD symptoms:
<http://www.goodfruit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapidAppleDecline1010442-1-1-620x465.jpg>,
<https://www.agprofessional.com/sites/default/files/image_galleryzoom_1.jpg>,
<http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/news/orchnews/2016/on-1216a6f3.jpg>,
<http://www.goodfruit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapidAppleDecline1010428-2-620x727.jpg>,
<http://www.mpnnow.com/storyimage/NU/20171211/NEWS/171219934/AR/0/AR-171219934.jpg>
and
<http://files.growingproduce.com/growingproduce/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/tree-decline-new-york.jpg>
Links
Additional news stories:
<http://www.freshplaza.com/article/186470/New-York-state-experts-probe-sudden-apple-decline>,
<http://www.mpnnow.com/news/20171211/experts-probe-sudden-apple-decline>,
<https://www.agprofessional.com/article/rapid-apple-decline-hits-trees-northeast>,
<http://www.goodfruit.com/whats-killing-these-trees/> and <http://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming/produce/mystery-issue-killing-apple-trees/article_fd8cbacf-57fc-5af8-9a4f-486faca643f6.html>
Information on SAD:
<https://extension.psu.edu/rapid-apple-decline-rad-or-sudden-apple-decline-sad>,
<http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/news/orchnews/2016/on-1216a6.htm>,
<http://www.hort.cornell.edu/expo/proceedings/2017/TreeFruitPestMGMT.AppleTrunkDisorders.Rosenberger.2017.pdf>
and
<http://www.growingproduce.com/fruits/apples-pears/new-york-growers-input-needed-on-tree-decline/>
Information on apple rootstocks, including M9:
<http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_diary/fruit_veg_mini_project_september_2a_apple.asp>.
- Mod.DHA]
[See Also:
Crown & root rot, apple - USA: (eastern)
http://promedmail.org/post/20170821.5263568
2016
----
Fireblight, apple - Canada: (QC)
http://promedmail.org/post/20160919.4500366
2014
----
Fireblight, apple - Canada: (NS)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140908.2756240
2013
----
Apple proliferation phytoplasma- N America: 1st report, Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20130415.1646164
2012
----
Fungal diseases, apple - USA: (NY, MI)
http://promedmail.org/post/20120906.1282861
2010
----
Undiagnosed mould & scab, apple - Mexico (QE)
http://promedmail.org/post/20100822.2939
Undiagnosed disease, apple - USA: (MI, NY)
http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911
and additional items on apple diseases in the archives] .................................................sb/dha/ec/lm
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Original article from:
https://www.growingmagazine.com/education/rapid-apple-decline-psu-remains-mystery/
Other links on topic at end of post.
PRO/PL> Undiagnosed sudden decline, apple - USA
(promed@promedmail.org)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 03:02:35 +0000
From: promed@promedmail.org
Subject: PRO/PL> Undiagnosed sudden decline, apple - USA
To: promed-post@promedmail.org, promed-plant-post@promedmail.org
UNDIAGNOSED SUDDEN DECLINE, APPLE - USA
***************************************
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Date: Mon 25 Dec 2017
Source: Growing [edited]
<https://www.growingmagazine.com/education/rapid-apple-decline-psu-remains-mystery/>
In the Northeast [of the US], Canada and North Carolina, young dwarf trees in high-density orchards are dying [see ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911] with increased frequency.
The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, Cornell University, University of North Carolina and others have teamed up to solve the mystery of Rapid (or Sudden) Apple Decline (RAD or SAD).
There seems to be some connection to M9 rootstock, although other rootstocks also can be impacted. Fuji, Gala and Golden Delicious cultivars appear most susceptible. This might indicate some cultivar-rootstock combination triggering RAD. Observations do not point to any specific pathogen, abiotic factors may play a role, [but] there is no obvious common denominator among the impacted trees.
Trees, even those full of fruit, quickly die from RAD. The graft union shows necrosis [which] continues up the bark. Severe bark shedding near the graft union [and] cankers are also seen. Within 2 to 3 weeks, leaves turn yellow and the tree dies. There are few signals that anything is wrong prior to the sudden emergence of symptoms. Trees collapse completely, despite the wood being solid and the roots healthy. In any given block, trees with RAD are scattered with no pattern, [and] some trees can remain healthy.
Because stress is believed to be a factor in RAD, growers are advised to eliminate as many stressors as possible. Alternative rootstocks to
M9 could afford protection. Other [factors] may be playing some role in the syndrome and viruses or [other] pathogens - known or as yet unidentified - may also be contributing.
[Byline: Tamara Scully]
--
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ProMED-mail
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[This undiagnosed disease or disorder in apple orchards was previously reported from Michigan and New York (ProMED-mail post http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911). It now appears to be much more widely distributed but unfortunately not much progress seems to have been made in the search for a cause.
Association with specific dwarfing rootstocks and apple varieties may imply graft transmissible agents such as viruses, viroids or phytoplasmas. Molecular methods are needed for their detection, but no information is provided in the report above whether a systematic molecular search for any pathogens has already been undertaken. As mentioned above, SAD may also represent a syndrome including a number of different factors, which would make the task of identifying a cause much more complex.
Generally, to identify a biotic or abiotic cause for a disease or disorder of unknown aetiology, a defined process must be followed:
description of specific symptoms in individual plants; patterns of their distribution in space and time; evidence for or against transmission of symptoms and spread of the condition; Koch's rules (i.e. to re-isolate an infectious pathogen after culture and transmission, or equivalent process for non-culturable pathogens) to test for causation by a biotic agent; molecular studies to identify a known or characterise a novel potential infectious agent. Especially in slow growing hosts, such as trees, this process may take many years and it would be complicated considerably if a previously unknown pathogen were to be involved.
Maps
USA:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/usa-state-and-capital-map.html>
Individual states via:
<http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/>
Pictures
SAD symptoms:
<http://www.goodfruit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapidAppleDecline1010442-1-1-620x465.jpg>,
<https://www.agprofessional.com/sites/default/files/image_galleryzoom_1.jpg>,
<http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/news/orchnews/2016/on-1216a6f3.jpg>,
<http://www.goodfruit.com/wp-content/uploads/rapidAppleDecline1010428-2-620x727.jpg>,
<http://www.mpnnow.com/storyimage/NU/20171211/NEWS/171219934/AR/0/AR-171219934.jpg>
and
<http://files.growingproduce.com/growingproduce/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/tree-decline-new-york.jpg>
Links
Additional news stories:
<http://www.freshplaza.com/article/186470/New-York-state-experts-probe-sudden-apple-decline>,
<http://www.mpnnow.com/news/20171211/experts-probe-sudden-apple-decline>,
<https://www.agprofessional.com/article/rapid-apple-decline-hits-trees-northeast>,
<http://www.goodfruit.com/whats-killing-these-trees/> and <http://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming/produce/mystery-issue-killing-apple-trees/article_fd8cbacf-57fc-5af8-9a4f-486faca643f6.html>
Information on SAD:
<https://extension.psu.edu/rapid-apple-decline-rad-or-sudden-apple-decline-sad>,
<http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/news/orchnews/2016/on-1216a6.htm>,
<http://www.hort.cornell.edu/expo/proceedings/2017/TreeFruitPestMGMT.AppleTrunkDisorders.Rosenberger.2017.pdf>
and
<http://www.growingproduce.com/fruits/apples-pears/new-york-growers-input-needed-on-tree-decline/>
Information on apple rootstocks, including M9:
<http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_diary/fruit_veg_mini_project_september_2a_apple.asp>.
- Mod.DHA]
[See Also:
Crown & root rot, apple - USA: (eastern)
http://promedmail.org/post/20170821.5263568
2016
----
Fireblight, apple - Canada: (QC)
http://promedmail.org/post/20160919.4500366
2014
----
Fireblight, apple - Canada: (NS)
http://promedmail.org/post/20140908.2756240
2013
----
Apple proliferation phytoplasma- N America: 1st report, Canada
http://promedmail.org/post/20130415.1646164
2012
----
Fungal diseases, apple - USA: (NY, MI)
http://promedmail.org/post/20120906.1282861
2010
----
Undiagnosed mould & scab, apple - Mexico (QE)
http://promedmail.org/post/20100822.2939
Undiagnosed disease, apple - USA: (MI, NY)
http://promedmail.org/post/20100608.1911
and additional items on apple diseases in the archives] .................................................sb/dha/ec/lm
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