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Monday, March 4, 2024

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

According to the late AJ Bullard, who imported 'Pakistan' with Mike McConkey of Edible Landscaping Nursery, it originated at Islamabad, Pakistan.  Coldest temperature of record there is 28F. 
As a result, Dr. Bullard recommended planting with graft union below ground level so that WHEN, not IF, it froze to the ground, it could re-sprout.  

I had a 'Pakistan', from Edible Landscaping... planted with graft union below grade.  It froze to the ground, 3 consecutive years... regrowing 8-10 ft each subsequent year, but never managing to ripen fruit.  I am located on the z6b/7a interface (now 7a by the 'new' USDA hardiness map) 20 miles north of the KY/TN line.  I dug it up and potted it with the intent of taking it to my Dad, who lived on the z7/8 interface in central  AL... but misplaced it somewhere along the way. 

Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville, KY

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Henry via NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
 What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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Wednesday, February 21, 2024

[NAFEX] Trademarks

Is there a location where I can search for trademarks (or other) for the various fruit trees?
Want to make sure I give the person their due.
Thanks,
Dennis

Sunday, January 28, 2024

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

Yes, it's from Pakistan. Here in Carmel, IN (recently upgraded to zone 6),
the trunk will survive the winter if you put a cylinder of chicken wire
around it and fill the cylinder with leaves, but the parts of the tree that
aren't covered will die.

About 10 years ago, I put a potted Pakistan outside in April and it got
pollinated by whatever males were in the neighborhood. Out of a couple
dozen seedlings, I got two that had long flowers, but both were males.
They are only a little more hardy than Pakistan. The main trunk survives
the winter but most of the branches get killed back. I've tried crossing
one of the males back to Pakistan or to Illinois Everbearing, but it
doesn't seem to create viable seeds. If anyone else would like to try, I
can provide scionwood. It can be propagated by grafting or from cuttings,
although only one of the eight cuttings I tried set roots.

Fred Bruns

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> What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?
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> Is it a species from Pakistan?
>
> How hardy is it?
>
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[NAFEX] mulberry question

What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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Saturday, January 27, 2024

[NAFEX] Fwd: [MIGRATION OUTAGE] Re: lists.ibiblio.org outage and change Jan 29-31

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Tuesday, January 23, 2024

[NAFEX] Fwd: [MIGRATION OUTAGE] lists.ibiblio.org outage and change Jan 29-31

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We are writing to inform you that lists.ibiblio.org, which is currently
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And we are copying some of the content at that link here for your
convenience.

Q&A:

Q: Why this change? Why now? Why so long?

A: Our existing infrastructure powering lists.ibiblio.org is now
End-of-Life and not receiving updates. A major change to the web interface
was inevitable, as our existing software moved to a new major version that
split the web interface out into its own separate project. We reviewed what
other institutions that had migrated away from our old solution had done,
and we prioritized looking at migrations that had stayed with self-hosted
Free/Libre and Open Source Software (F/LOSS), as well as migrations done by
institutions similar to ours. We considered several of the options and
eventually settled on one that has an active community, good documentation,
and multiple large universities that have been public about their migration
from the same system we currently have to this solution.

The reason we have accelerated this change and are implementing it now is
that our parent institution has support for complying with new rules from
Google and Yahoo!
<https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentication-spam-protection/>
about mail signing (and other factors) for bulk mail. There is no way for
us to be confident of the needed changes to comply with Google's new rules
using our existing platform.

The reason why this outage is taking multiple business days has two parts.
The first is that we have relatively few staff given the size of our
infrastructure, and the second is that we take our role as an archive very
seriously. While we could have a relatively short outage, we are not
confident that we could assure you that your list archives would still be
present in full and available (either privately to subscribers or publicly
depending on the list) as they are now. The only way that we can
confidently migrate our systems is to take additional time to test while
the system is down to prevent changes.

Q: Do I need to forward this to my mailing list?

A: Not necessarily, but you may choose to do so, and we encourage you to do
so if your list members depend on posts from your list to make decisions
about their day the same day the post is sent.

For a shorter outage, mail would simply be delayed. Given the length of
this outage, it is inevitable that some number of mailing list subscribers
will attempt to post and eventually see a "bounce" notification from their
mail provider. If you think your subscribers will be concerned, or will
send you complaints, we encourage you to pass along this notice, or some
kind of notice of your choosing, before the planned outage starts.

After the outage, list subscribers should be able to receive messages from
your list and post messages to your list as before. The list addresses will
not change with this migration.

Q: Do I need to do anything with my list settings before this migration?

A: No, we have an export and import procedure that will migrate your list
from the old system to the new one. This includes subscription and
moderation policies, archive policies, etc.

Q: I'd rather stick with the Mailman system I know, so how can I opt out?

A: Unfortunately there's no way to do this and keep your mailing list from
getting slowly increasing amounts of abuse inbound, and slowly (and maybe
later suddenly and dramatically) less email delivered outbound. We are
doing as much as we can to ease your transition to the new platform, and we
acknowledge that with our limited staffing, for some of our contributors it
will not be nearly enough help to make the transition comfortable. For
that, we apologize and hope you will bear with us.

Q: If something is broken after the migration, who can I talk to?

A: We encourage you to start by just naming your mailing list and linking
to the list information page at lists.ibiblio.org as a reply to the support
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https://support.ibiblio.org/t/lists-ibiblio-org-planned-outage-and-changes/771

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Wednesday, January 17, 2024

[NAFEX] Bashkortostan in the news today (protests against russia) Here are links to Lemonary In Bashkortostan and Jerry Lerhman's trip there to study their plum varieties

My posts to this list and others:

Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented
the trip with text and video
Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
project. A Google site: search might find it.

nafex] Lemonary in Bashkortostan & ancient wild-hive beekeeping.
https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2012-February/046138.html

Lots more links about the lemonary and wild hive beekeeping:
https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

Lemonary In Bashkortostan

https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

(upload of Jerry Lehman's .pdf file attached to nafex post)

Lemonary in Bashkortostan.pdf

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy

The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent photographs):

http://lemonarium.ru/index.html
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Flemonarium.ru%2Findex.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3pCzwsrQ5AxjzQqW__XtMM>

Also about the lemonary:

http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greencom.ru%2Fen%2Ffirm_info.html%2FfID%2F442&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3QPPmLXiW0clDUAKUlbkFU>

Experimental Instructional Farm of the Ufimsk Forest Husbandry Technical
School

Wholesale, Manufacture

Russia, Bashkortostan Resp, Ufimskiy r-n, Ufa g, Mingazheva Str., 126,
office: Mendeleeva Str. 152 / 2

+7 3472 52-2000

+7 3472 28-8030

The Farm demonstrates produce of the ornamental plant nursery "Ufimsk
Lemonary" for growing citrus and exotic crops (varying-age seedlings of
lemon, pomegranate, laurel, fig tree, etc.) and specimens of lemon fruit of
different varieties and forms. The farm has been growing citrus crops on an
area of 1 ha in protected ground for over 15 year.

IMAGES:
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