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Thursday, April 30, 2020

Re: [nafex] If you had one blueberry bush...

Hi, Glenda. Two blueberry I have had great success with are Berkely and Jersey. I am in Zone 6a, Pastor Chuck Orchards, Cushing, Maine. Good fortune. Waite Maclin

Also, I have had luck with putting either garden netting or remay over my bushes to protect from critters.

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:34 AM, Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
>
> I have a lot of blueberry bushes, but I don't get any berries because the birds and chipmunks eat them all. I also have a large cage, about 3'x4' and about 8' high, that I built to protect a "Carmine Jewel" cherry.
>
> The cherry is overgrowing the cage. More importantly, I don't love it. It doesn't have a lot of "zing". So I'm thinking of taking it out, and wondered what i could grow in the cage.
>
> A large blueberry bush! That would fit nicely. And I adore blueberries.
>
> But I only have space to protect one. So I want the very best. That would mean:
> Lots of flavor (more small berries are almost certainly better than fewer large berries)
> Lots of total fruit
> I tend to prefer fruits on the sour side, and often find very sweet fruit bland
> Of course, it has to be hardy where I live, eastern MA, zone 6. The soil isn't super-acidic, but all those other blueberry bushes seem to do okay, except for the fruit all going away before it's ripe.
>
> I like a somewhat firm blueberry, but some of the firmest ones don't feel life blueberries to me. I don't want my blueberries t crunch.
>
> So, what blueberry would you recommend?
>
> Many thanks,
> Ginda Fisher
> eastern MA, zone 6
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C. Waite Maclin
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Maclin Consulting
P.O. Box 4096
Portland, Maine 04101
207-939-2793

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[nafex] If you had one blueberry bush...

I have a lot of blueberry bushes, but I don't get any berries because the birds and chipmunks eat them all. I also have a large cage, about 3'x4' and about 8' high, that I built to protect a "Carmine Jewel" cherry.

The cherry is overgrowing the cage. More importantly, I don't love it. It doesn't have a lot of "zing". So I'm thinking of taking it out, and wondered what i could grow in the cage.

A large blueberry bush! That would fit nicely. And I adore blueberries.

But I only have space to protect one. So I want the very best. That would mean:
Lots of flavor (more small berries are almost certainly better than fewer large berries)
Lots of total fruit
I tend to prefer fruits on the sour side, and often find very sweet fruit bland
Of course, it has to be hardy where I live, eastern MA, zone 6. The soil isn't super-acidic, but all those other blueberry bushes seem to do okay, except for the fruit all going away before it's ripe.

I like a somewhat firm blueberry, but some of the firmest ones don't feel life blueberries to me. I don't want my blueberries t crunch.

So, what blueberry would you recommend?

Many thanks,
Ginda Fisher
eastern MA, zone 6
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Sunday, April 26, 2020

Re: [nafex] prafilm M and buddy tape results

Exactly. Paraffilm is clean and easy to use, I have a lifetime supply, and I see no reason NOT to wrap the whole scion. Much easier to do that than to also fuss with a sealant.

I'm sure lots of different grafting methods work. I like paraffilm because it's so easy. It cuts with scissors or a sharp knife, and I apply it with my fingers. Cleanup is just throwing away the little paper backer.
--
Ginda
typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.


On April 26, 2020 8:47:29 AM EDT, Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu> wrote:
>Is it 'overkill' to wrap the entire scion with Parafilm, as opposed to
>just sealing the apical end?
>I don't know, but I have no intention of backing away from wrapping
>graft
>union and scion, in its entirety, particularly for nut tree grafts.
>It's quick to do...I feel better about longterm protection against
>scion
>dessication, and buds push right through a couple layers of fully
>stretched
>Parafilm.
>Some pecan/hickory and walnut grafts I made on 6 March are just now
>beginning to open buds, nearly 2 months later. Would they have dried
>out
>in the interim if not fully wrapped?
>
>Again, maybe not at all necessary for apples/pears, and I rarely do
>any
>stonefruits - but I wouldn't attempt nuts, oaks, persimmons without it.
>
>It's 'cheap insurance'...I can buy a 2"x250' roll of Parafilm M for
>less
>than $20...enough to do at least 750-1000 typical pecan or pear grafts
>here.
>And, it's not at all messy; strips of Parafilm in my grafting kit don't
>spill or stick to stuff.
>
>Lucky Pittman
>
>On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:27 PM sherwin <sherwindu@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2020 7:40 PM, Idell Weydemeyer wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Comparison of use or not of Parafilm or buddy tape.
>> >
>> > In Santa Rosa, rootstocks were grafted for a later plant sale for
>the
>> > redwood California Rare fruit chapter.--probably over 50- maybe up
>to 80
>> > plants. Not sure if the pots were 5 or 10 gallon ones.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "In general looking at the prunus grafts from our March 8 event, a
>> general
>> > observation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The grafts that are looking great and doing quite well, seem to be
>all
>> the
>> > scions where the tips were covered with parafilm or buddy tape.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The grafts that didn't take or are quite slow were from scions
>where the
>> > tips were not covered with parafilm/ buddy tape."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Idell Weydemeyer
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Idell,
>>
>> Not sure what you mean by the 'tips'. If it is the end opposite
>to
>> the graft end, I usually paint that end with wood sealer. If there
>is
>> no sealing of the outer tips, like with a sealant wood filler, the
>> moisture will escape out that tip and dry out the scion. Where I
>make
>> use of tapes like Parafilm is around the graft union where the graft
>> itself exposes a large part of the cambium to drying out. I see no
>need
>> to wrap the entire scion, since the bark around it should prevent
>drying
>> out along it's length. Wrapping the entire scion may not be as
>> effective as just closing off the end with a sealant.
>>
>> Sherwin
>>
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Re: [nafex] prafilm M and buddy tape results

Is it 'overkill' to wrap the entire scion with Parafilm, as opposed to
just sealing the apical end?
I don't know, but I have no intention of backing away from wrapping graft
union and scion, in its entirety, particularly for nut tree grafts.
It's quick to do...I feel better about longterm protection against scion
dessication, and buds push right through a couple layers of fully stretched
Parafilm.
Some pecan/hickory and walnut grafts I made on 6 March are just now
beginning to open buds, nearly 2 months later. Would they have dried out
in the interim if not fully wrapped?

Again, maybe not at all necessary for apples/pears, and I rarely do any
stonefruits - but I wouldn't attempt nuts, oaks, persimmons without it.

It's 'cheap insurance'...I can buy a 2"x250' roll of Parafilm M for less
than $20...enough to do at least 750-1000 typical pecan or pear grafts here.
And, it's not at all messy; strips of Parafilm in my grafting kit don't
spill or stick to stuff.

Lucky Pittman

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:27 PM sherwin <sherwindu@att.net> wrote:

> On 4/25/2020 7:40 PM, Idell Weydemeyer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Comparison of use or not of Parafilm or buddy tape.
> >
> > In Santa Rosa, rootstocks were grafted for a later plant sale for the
> > redwood California Rare fruit chapter.--probably over 50- maybe up to 80
> > plants. Not sure if the pots were 5 or 10 gallon ones.
> >
> >
> >
> > "In general looking at the prunus grafts from our March 8 event, a
> general
> > observation.
> >
> >
> >
> > The grafts that are looking great and doing quite well, seem to be all
> the
> > scions where the tips were covered with parafilm or buddy tape.
> >
> >
> >
> > The grafts that didn't take or are quite slow were from scions where the
> > tips were not covered with parafilm/ buddy tape."
> >
> >
> >
> > Idell Weydemeyer
> >
> >
> >
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> Idell,
>
> Not sure what you mean by the 'tips'. If it is the end opposite to
> the graft end, I usually paint that end with wood sealer. If there is
> no sealing of the outer tips, like with a sealant wood filler, the
> moisture will escape out that tip and dry out the scion. Where I make
> use of tapes like Parafilm is around the graft union where the graft
> itself exposes a large part of the cambium to drying out. I see no need
> to wrap the entire scion, since the bark around it should prevent drying
> out along it's length. Wrapping the entire scion may not be as
> effective as just closing off the end with a sealant.
>
> Sherwin
>
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Saturday, April 25, 2020

Re: [nafex] prafilm M and buddy tape results

On 4/25/2020 7:40 PM, Idell Weydemeyer wrote:
>
>
> Comparison of use or not of Parafilm or buddy tape.
>
> In Santa Rosa, rootstocks were grafted for a later plant sale for the
> redwood California Rare fruit chapter.--probably over 50- maybe up to 80
> plants. Not sure if the pots were 5 or 10 gallon ones.
>
>
>
> "In general looking at the prunus grafts from our March 8 event, a general
> observation.
>
>
>
> The grafts that are looking great and doing quite well, seem to be all the
> scions where the tips were covered with parafilm or buddy tape.
>
>
>
> The grafts that didn't take or are quite slow were from scions where the
> tips were not covered with parafilm/ buddy tape."
>
>
>
> Idell Weydemeyer
>
>
>
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  Idell,

   Not sure what you mean by the 'tips'.  If it is the end opposite to
the graft end, I usually paint that end with wood sealer.  If there is
no sealing of the outer tips, like with a sealant wood filler, the
moisture will escape out that tip and dry out the scion.  Where I make
use of tapes like Parafilm is around the graft union where the graft
itself exposes a large part of the cambium to drying out.  I see no need
to wrap the entire scion, since the bark around it should prevent drying
out along it's length.  Wrapping the entire scion may not be as
effective as just closing off the end with a sealant.

               Sherwin

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[nafex] prafilm M and buddy tape results

Comparison of use or not of Parafilm or buddy tape.

In Santa Rosa, rootstocks were grafted for a later plant sale for the
redwood California Rare fruit chapter.--probably over 50- maybe up to 80
plants. Not sure if the pots were 5 or 10 gallon ones.



"In general looking at the prunus grafts from our March 8 event, a general
observation.



The grafts that are looking great and doing quite well, seem to be all the
scions where the tips were covered with parafilm or buddy tape.



The grafts that didn't take or are quite slow were from scions where the
tips were not covered with parafilm/ buddy tape."



Idell Weydemeyer



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