Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024 (1/1)

I think saving the archives is great.  As a long-time member, the
archives are important, but my eyes spin around when I try to understand
how to do anything with the archive or the list-serve. I'm lucky I can
reply.  Others can, and one day I might get it and enjoy perusing the
archives.

Barbara Rosholdt

Virginia Z 7a

On 5/5/2024 12:00 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024
>
> Table of contents:
>
> 1. [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know
> how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list
> owners? - Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> 2. Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone
> know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list
> owners? - Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>
>
> End of nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024

Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list owners?

All the NAFEX list message archives, in readable form, up to the SYMPA transition, available on thumb drive.

Originally the NAFEX list was for NAFEX members only and the message archives were not made public, only accessable by members with login.

Eventually consensus was that there were many people with interest, knowledge and expertise who should have full access to the list so that change 

was made and later the archives were made public, a huge upgrade. Archives were now searchable with Google. Now it looks like things have returned to the stone age.

It is a good thing that I had the foresight to download the entire NAFEX list message archives, possible with the Mailman server software. They include all messages from the Yahoo days up to the present NAFEX

people coming on board as co administrators. They have a copy of this on the thumb drive I sent them. I have copies of those archives backed up on several hard drives. If anyone wants a copy of this on 

thumb drive or microsd chip you can contact me at lfljvenaura@gmail.com and we can work out getting them to you. It takes 16 gb storage media. I doubt the sympa server allows archive downloads

so members will depend on their list subscriptions for archiving. Those who want this valuable resource can send me the drive plus a self addressed stamped envelope and I will copy and send you the archives.

I am doing this cost recovery only, no $$$, only the materials I mentioned. I downloaded my permaculture list archives too if anyone wants that. I am doing this a volunteer to help further the cause of NAFEX list members

who contributed so much over so many years, Lehman and Rombaugh especially.

Lawrence London

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 3:53 AM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:

Repeat: NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface?

I have a lot of lists at ibiblio, including this one I share

since 1992 put 1000's of hours and $$ into them and my ibiblio websites, not a trivial amount of work

a previous nafex list owner and I saved this list from Yahoo when I had it recreated at ibiblio; he left, I took over, now share it with others

Originally I made the archives readable by the public like all my other lists at ibiblio

Now I can't even read my own permaculture list archives because it is locked behind a SYMPO cyberbarricade

Just wasted an hour trying to "log in" to the list web interface and read the archives; follow instructions, NO GO. SYMPO can't even handle the simplest procedure

I kept entering all the correct login info and it never processed it, start over, give up.

Anyone know what is going on or how to access the archives? Leslie?

I volunteered my work for others, i.e. the general public, to enjoy and learn from. Noone is going to go through what seems to be required to read the archives now.

So, all my work, down the drain and I can;t even enjoy it myself. The Mailman server worked perfectly. 

Am I missing something?

--

Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfljvenaura@gmail.com

--

Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfljvenaura@gmail.com

[NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list owners?

Repeat: NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface?

I have a lot of lists at ibiblio, including this one I share

since 1992 put 1000's of hours and $$ into them and my ibiblio websites, not a trivial amount of work

a previous nafex list owner and I saved this list from Yahoo when I had it recreated at ibiblio; he left, I took over, now share it with others

Originally I made the archives readable by the public like all my other lists at ibiblio

Now I can't even read my own permaculture list archives because it is locked behind a SYMPO cyberbarricade

Just wasted an hour trying to "log in" to the list web interface and read the archives; follow instructions, NO GO. SYMPO can't even handle the simplest procedure

I kept entering all the correct login info and it never processed it, start over, give up.

Anyone know what is going on or how to access the archives? Leslie?

I volunteered my work for others, i.e. the general public, to enjoy and learn from. Noone is going to go through what seems to be required to read the archives now.

So, all my work, down the drain and I can;t even enjoy it myself. The Mailman server worked perfectly. 

Am I missing something?

--

Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfljvenaura@gmail.com

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

According to the late AJ Bullard, who imported 'Pakistan' with Mike McConkey of Edible Landscaping Nursery, it originated at Islamabad, Pakistan.  Coldest temperature of record there is 28F. 

As a result, Dr. Bullard recommended planting with graft union below ground level so that WHEN, not IF, it froze to the ground, it could re-sprout.  

I had a 'Pakistan', from Edible Landscaping... planted with graft union below grade.  It froze to the ground, 3 consecutive years... regrowing 8-10 ft each subsequent year, but never managing to ripen fruit.  I am located on the z6b/7a interface (now 7a by the 'new' USDA hardiness map) 20 miles north of the KY/TN line.  I dug it up and potted it with the intent of taking it to my Dad, who lived on the z7/8 interface in central  AL... but misplaced it somewhere along the way. 

Lucky Pittman

Hopkinsville, KY

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Henry via NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

 What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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[NAFEX] Trademarks

Is there a location where I can search for trademarks (or other) for the various fruit trees?

Want to make sure I give the person their due.

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

Yes, it's from Pakistan. Here in Carmel, IN (recently upgraded to zone 6),
the trunk will survive the winter if you put a cylinder of chicken wire
around it and fill the cylinder with leaves, but the parts of the tree that
aren't covered will die.

About 10 years ago, I put a potted Pakistan outside in April and it got
pollinated by whatever males were in the neighborhood. Out of a couple
dozen seedlings, I got two that had long flowers, but both were males.
They are only a little more hardy than Pakistan. The main trunk survives
the winter but most of the branches get killed back. I've tried crossing
one of the males back to Pakistan or to Illinois Everbearing, but it
doesn't seem to create viable seeds. If anyone else would like to try, I
can provide scionwood. It can be propagated by grafting or from cuttings,
although only one of the eight cuttings I tried set roots.

Fred Bruns

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 12:04 PM Henry via NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?
>
> Is it a species from Pakistan?
>
> How hardy is it?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5
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[NAFEX] mulberry question

What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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