Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The beads appear black to our eyes but the fruit is really an intense
purple, a color, heretofore, impossible to duplicate in a plastic bead.



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From: Jay Cutts
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:00 AM
To: John S ; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the
same spectrum of color as a black fruit.

Regards,

Jay

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On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote:
> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct.
> Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black
> fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out
> eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that.
> But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds.
> My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American
> magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference,
> but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of
> the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to
> detect ripening fruit.
>
> john s
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
> What about
> honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second
> they
> ripen. Jim, have you tried blue
> beads on honeyberries or blueberries?
> Maria
> On
> 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> >
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> > Naomi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> > Sent: Friday,
> January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> > To: mailing
> list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
> Fruth's comments.
> >
> > Alan,
> > You
> have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to
> magazines in
> > US, UK, CA, Australia and
> Russia
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Alan Haigh
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
> comments.
> >
> > Jim, do
> you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
> forum?
> > Some members who don't also
> participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> > I always thought this an
> ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> > foolish for never having tried it as
> you've been sharing this for a very
> >
> long time.
> >
> > I grow
> sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang
> red plastic
> > 'cherries' in the
> trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put
> red painted stones in the
> > strawberries
> as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> > hurt their beaks and don't
> come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> > beads around the perimeter of the red
> raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> >
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry
> beads do not work
> > with blackberry and
> black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the
same spectrum of color as a black fruit.

Regards,

Jay

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Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote:
> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit.
>
> john s
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
>
> What about
> honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second
> they
> ripen. Jim, have you tried blue
> beads on honeyberries or blueberries?
>
> Maria
>
> On
> 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> >
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> > Naomi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> > Sent: Friday,
> January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> > To: mailing
> list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
> Fruth's comments.
> >
> > Alan,
> > You
> have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to
> magazines in
> > US, UK, CA, Australia and
> Russia
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Alan Haigh
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
> comments.
> >
> > Jim, do
> you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
> forum?
> > Some members who don't also
> participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> > I always thought this an
> ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> > foolish for never having tried it as
> you've been sharing this for a very
> >
> long time.
> >
> > I grow
> sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang
> red plastic
> > 'cherries' in the
> trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put
> red painted stones in the
> > strawberries
> as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> > hurt their beaks and don't
> come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> > beads around the perimeter of the red
> raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> >
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry
> beads do not work
> > with blackberry and
> black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The assumption that black fruit is
less visible to birds is not correct.  Fruit eating
birds see further into ultraviolet than humans.  A
black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we
can detect with our eyes.  Fruits can signal ripening
by changing color.  We all know that.  But we
cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to
birds.  My source is an excellent article that appeared
in Scientific American magazine many years ago.  I am
not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more
skilled than I can likely find it.  As I recall, part
of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was
used by birds to detect ripening fruit.

john s


--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM

What about
honeyberries/haskaps?  The birds eat them all the second
they
ripen.  Jim, have you tried blue
beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On
1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
>
Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday,
January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing
list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
>      You
have my permission to send it to anyone.  I sent it to
magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and
Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
comments.
>
> Jim, do
you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
forum?
> Some members who don't also
participate on nafex@lists might be
interested.
> I always thought this an
ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as
you've been sharing this for a very
>
long time.
>
> I grow
sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang
red plastic
> 'cherries' in the
trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put
red painted stones in the
> strawberries
as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the
rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't
come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red
raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
>
done.  It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry
beads do not work
> with blackberry and
black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit.

john s

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM

What about
honeyberries/haskaps?  The birds eat them all the second
they
ripen.  Jim, have you tried blue
beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On
1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
>
Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday,
January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing
list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
>      You
have my permission to send it to anyone.  I sent it to
magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and
Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
comments.
>
> Jim, do
you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
forum?
> Some members who don't also
participate on nafex@lists might be
interested.
> I always thought this an
ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as
you've been sharing this for a very
>
long time.
>
> I grow
sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang
red plastic
> 'cherries' in the
trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put
red painted stones in the
> strawberries
as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the
rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't
come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red
raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
>
done.  It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry
beads do not work
> with blackberry and
black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds

A METHOD THAT WORKS

My black raspberry patch used to be plagued by flocks of Robins and the
dummy (black) fruit didn't work like the red decoys did so I bought a BB
gun. The BB gun was the old fashioned, lever action type that doesn't make
a dent in hard (Oak) wood. I didn't kill any Robins with it but sure made a
pest of myself. I soon discovered that if I knocked one down, he'd take off
like a bat out of hell and the whole flock followed. Of course, they
returned in a week or so and this great white hunter went after them again,
and again. Also, when they arrived during their Spring migration, I gave
them no rest. I kept at them for several years and, now, they don't come
back. No Robins. None. I think they took the hint but I still keep the BB
gun handy, just in case.

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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Maria,
I haven't had the need. I have netting over my blueberries (needs to
be removed for pollination because bumble bees won't fly through it, but
that is another subject) and haven't had much of a problem with my
honeyberries. Could this be a challenge for you to figure it out?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:50 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they
ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Fruth
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
> You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines
> in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
> Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very
> long time.
>
> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
> plastic
> 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
> strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming
> is
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
> with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they
ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
> You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
> Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be interested.
> I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very
> long time.
>
> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic
> 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
> strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
> with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
Naomi

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Alan,
You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in
US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia

Jim

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From: Alan Haigh
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be interested.
I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very
long time.

I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic
'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Alan,
You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in
US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia

Jim

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From: Alan Haigh
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be
interested. I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it
again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this
for a very long time.

I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year
around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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[nafex] Not true

"Black fruit target only the local birds," Local birds are not a problem. Migrating birds are all the problem.

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Subject: Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Maybe red beads would work even for the black fruit.

I heard that red and black fruit have different seed dispersal strategies. Red fruit are obviously very showy, attracting all the fruit-eaters. Black fruit target only the local birds, not the ones that are just passing through, by turning red and conspicuous before they're ripe, so local animals make a mental note to come back for them later. Then when they ripen, they turn inconspicuously black, so only the animals that are in-the-know can find them. This ensures that the seeds are dropped somewhat locally, where they are adapted.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I can't think of a different explanation for why any plant would have fruit that are inconspicuous when ripe.

Melissa

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> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>
> I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505)-281-0684
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
>> On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
>> Sam,
>>
>> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
>>
>> Jim Fruth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)
>>
>> Saving cherries from the birds <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM1ODEzMTQ0NDE1NTI3MTA4MjIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNEDJr2TLeRcvRkWWfJdDVTo2gvesQ> (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
>> Good Fruit Grower
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Maybe red beads would work even for the black fruit.

I heard that red and black fruit have different seed dispersal strategies. Red fruit are obviously very showy, attracting all the fruit-eaters. Black fruit target only the local birds, not the ones that are just passing through, by turning red and conspicuous before they're ripe, so local animals make a mental note to come back for them later. Then when they ripen, they turn inconspicuously black, so only the animals that are in-the-know can find them. This ensures that the seeds are dropped somewhat locally, where they are adapted.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I can't think of a different explanation for why any plant would have fruit that are inconspicuous when ripe.

Melissa

Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>
> I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505)-281-0684
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
>> On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
>> Sam,
>>
>> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
>>
>> Jim Fruth
>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)
>>
>> Saving cherries from the birds <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM1ODEzMTQ0NDE1NTI3MTA4MjIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNEDJr2TLeRcvRkWWfJdDVTo2gvesQ> (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
>> Good Fruit Grower
>> Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed decisions ...
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[nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be
interested. I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it
again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this
for a very long time.

I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year
around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Most fruit eating birds see into the ultraviolet and hence colors that we cannot see. I believe that your black decoys are truly black and lacking any appropriate ultraviolet component. The red color is further away from the ultraviolet that is probably present on the black fruit. There was a nice article in Scientific American magazine many years ago addressing bird sight. I'm sorry but I no longer have the article nor could find a reference for you.

John

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Subject: Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 12:17 AM

I can kind of see why
black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that
stands out in nature so that birds would be
attracted to the color, as
it indicates
ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of

black berries, as lots of things are very
dark colored in nature.

Regards,

Jay

Jay
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Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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Mt Time, 7 days

On
1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
>
Sam,
>
>    I grow
sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang
red
> plastic 'cherries' in the
trees and leave them in the tree the whole
> year around, replacing them as they
fade.  Also, I put red painted
> stones
in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.  The
birds
> peck on the rocks, hurt their
beaks and don't come back.  AND I hang
> raspberry shaped berry beads around the
perimeter of the red raspberry
> patch
as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it
helps. 
> Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and
> I don't know why not.
>
> Jim Fruth
>
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16
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> <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM1ODEzMTQ0NDE1NTI3MTA4MjIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNEDJr2TLeRcvRkWWfJdDVTo2gvesQ>

> (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/
)
> Good Fruit Grower
> Cherry growers sometimes feel like
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>
the birds, but there is new information that can help them
make
> informed decisions ...
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that
stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as
it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of
black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature.

Regards,

Jay

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On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
> Sam,
>
> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
> plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole
> year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted
> stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds
> peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang
> raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry
> patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps.
> Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and
> I don't know why not.
>
> Jim Fruth
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)
>
> Saving cherries from the birds
> <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM1ODEzMTQ0NDE1NTI3MTA4MjIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNEDJr2TLeRcvRkWWfJdDVTo2gvesQ>
> (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
> Good Fruit Grower
> Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for
> the birds, but there is new information that can help them make
> informed decisions ...
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Sam,

I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year
around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.

Jim Fruth




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM
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Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Saving cherries from the birds
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(http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
Good Fruit Grower
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birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed
decisions ...
















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[nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)

Saving cherries from the birds <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM1ODEzMTQ0NDE1NTI3MTA4MjIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNEDJr2TLeRcvRkWWfJdDVTo2gvesQ> (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
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[nafex] Fruit is ripe for commercialization (Agri News)

Fruit is ripe for commercialization <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.agrinews.com/news/minnesota_news/fruit-is-ripe-for-commercialization/article_8685c244-9c1e-53cd-83e6-a101c83cf154.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYCSoUMTA5MzQzOTAzOTg4MzEwNzYzOTIyGmRmZTAxMjc3N2JlODQ1YTY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGC5SvwNcDimpWRHiuDfUp4FuDA1Q> (http://www.agrinews.com/news/minnesota_news/fruit-is-ripe-for-commercialization/article_8685c244-9c1e-53cd-83e6-a101c83cf154.html) Agri News
ST. CLOUD, Minn. - A handful of fruits that grow in the Midwest are ripe for commercialization, said Thaddeus McCamant, specialty crops instructor at ...

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[nafex] In California, a treasure hunt for Gold Rush-era Fruit and Nut Trees (NPR)

In California, A Treasure Hunt For Gold Rush-Era Fruit And Nut Trees http://n.pr/1PmEQCo
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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in
> Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept
> this is well-maintained.
>

> They must be setting on top of some good natural gas wells in order to be
> able to afford to heat all of those greenhouses.
>

http://www.britannica.com/place/Bashkortostan
Extreme temperatures of −49 °F (−45 °C) in the winter
Oil and natural gas <http://www.britannica.com/science/natural-gas> are
extracted from oil <http://www.britannica.com/topic/oil-chemical-compound>
fields near Ufa <http://www.britannica.com/place/Ufa-Russia> and Neftekamsk
in the northwest, at Belebey in the west, and at Ishimbay
<http://www.britannica.com/place/Ishimbay> on the middle Belay
http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html
Now they need to free themselves of the tyranny of oil extraction (60
percent of the local economy); they need to diversify before it is too
late.

http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html
Bashkortostan: Waking the 'Russian Switzerland'
The Republic of Bashkortostan (Bashkiria), nicknamed the "Russian
Switzerland" because of its natural resources, is discreetly developing its
tourist potential, far from the beaten track.
Bashkortostan is the leading producer of milk in Russia, and its honey
<http://rbth.com/travel/2013/06/09/harvesting_honey_the_old-fashioned_way_26889.html>,
like that of Altai, has a great reputation.
Slowly but surely, the people of Bashkiria <http://rbth.com/tag/bashkiria>
are regaining consciousness of their national identity within the Russian
Federation. For a number of businesspeople, tourism has become a way of
enhancing the regional heritage and accelerating a return to its roots.

>
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>

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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

Good Morning Hector,

I met a friend of yours last week, Don Boklage. He was a conference in
Lexington and Kentucky I gave a talk on commercial production of persimmon.

I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in
Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept
this is well-maintained. They must be setting on top of some good
natural gas wells in order to be able to afford to heat all of those
greenhouses.

https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Lawrence (all),

So I found the name intriguing: Stayman Starkspur Winesap

So a couple of questions, is it really a Stayman class apple, in other words does it taste like Stayman (see footnote #1)?

And is this a tight spur tree like a columnar tree? I am looking to graft some decorative trees for some friends in NC, but I really need a columnar form for their landscape needs.

I checked there does not seem to be many cedars around them, so the usual CAR issue with Stayman should not be an overwhelming issue.

I assume this is also triploid that is fairly vigorous and has the usual pollen problems?

regards,

the fluffy one

Footnote(s)

#1 Stayman is an apple, when well grown, I find very pleasant to snack on, never complicated but interesting texture with a pleasant, yet light, vinous flavor). It is one of the best apples I can think of to eat very chilled after a very hard workout or after a lot of digging when you are hot and thirsty. It is refreshing like a cold Seven-up. I bought a few at a farmers market in D.C. back in November and finished them off all too quickly after my workouts and digging in the garden. What a nice pick me up.

And, drum roll, Stayman is very good with Le Gruyere cheese. The dry, crumbles and moderate yet intense flavor of Le Gruyere pairs very well with the sprightly and juicy Stayman. The bonus comes in with the texture interplay. Stayman has that Mac/Snow type texture, crisp but like a snowcone as is dissolves in you mouth, it work so well with the dry crumbly texture of Le Gruyere. I only mention this as it took me a while to find a cheese that worked well with Stayman. Kerry gold Dublinger was my runner up with Stayman but falls far short with this particular apple. Go with the Le Gruyere. For a more substantial snack add a pumpernickel rye with a little ground mustard or horseradish.

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To: fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:07:52 -0500

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
> wrote:

> I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well,
> more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left
> from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to
> arouse my senses.


Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh
is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into
May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in
the country near me in NC.
Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank
meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped
Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat.


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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
> wrote:

> I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well,
> more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left
> from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to
> arouse my senses.


Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh
is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into
May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in
the country near me in NC.
Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank
meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped
Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat.


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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Jerry,

Thank you for the additional input.

I find Jazz of all things to be the biggest offender in this regard. The were on sale for 2.39 a lb so I bought 5 apples. Well of the 3 we ate two were starch with a hint of sweetness and one had a level of flavor but was clearly past prime. The other two I am guessing are starchier and will store for a few weeks. :(

I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well, more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to arouse my senses.

You are so clearly right about tastes. I am fortunate that I still have my taste buds and a rather developed palate. So I am all over the place in my taste in apples, vinous, aromatic, balanced, tart, sweet and the oddities like Sweet 16 all delight me.

A wonderful Nafex buddy sent me some apples this year, and I we had a tantalizing euphoric experience with the complexity of his Holstein, Elstar, and Karjminji, totally awesome and the woman, boy and I were just delighted. Awesome Honeycrisp too, but while ever so pleasing it just did not excite the imagination like Karminji did but certainly warmed the soul.

Happy New Year every one. And please let's try and make this list a bit more active. It is too good a resource to languish.

The fluffy bunny


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To: fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:34:52 -0500

On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck.
>
> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one.
The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time
in storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is
dependent upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I
bought a variety from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple,
large, very very crisp (literally snaps when you bite into it), very
juicy but flat on flavor. My son believed it was the most awesome apple
he ever bit into, I wouldn't give you a nickel for bushel basketful of
them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as firm (even mealy after storage), not
nearly as juicy but full of fantastic flavor by my taste buds. All of
my neighbors make regular trips to the tree as they love it. The point
is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to everyone. I have
purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after sitting on the
kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _

To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test
varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2,
Crapshoot-3 etc.

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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Thanks, all, for the input.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
>
>> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and
>> sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to
>> say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling.
>> There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same
>> variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste
>> great but the remaining 3 may suck.
>>
>> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that
>> there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the
>> consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been
>> very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good
>> tasting one.
>>
> The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time in
> storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is dependent
> upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I bought a variety
> from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple, large, very very crisp
> (literally snaps when you bite into it), very juicy but flat on flavor. My
> son believed it was the most awesome apple he ever bit into, I wouldn't
> give you a nickel for bushel basketful of them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as
> firm (even mealy after storage), not nearly as juicy but full of fantastic
> flavor by my taste buds. All of my neighbors make regular trips to the tree
> as they love it. The point is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to
> everyone. I have purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after
> sitting on the kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _
>
> To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test
> varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2, Crapshoot-3
> etc.
>
> Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck.
>
> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one.
The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time
in storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is
dependent upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I
bought a variety from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple,
large, very very crisp (literally snaps when you bite into it), very
juicy but flat on flavor. My son believed it was the most awesome apple
he ever bit into, I wouldn't give you a nickel for bushel basketful of
them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as firm (even mealy after storage), not
nearly as juicy but full of fantastic flavor by my taste buds. All of
my neighbors make regular trips to the tree as they love it. The point
is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to everyone. I have
purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after sitting on the
kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _

To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test
varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2,
Crapshoot-3 etc.

Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck.

So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one.

the fluffy bunny



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Subject: Envy Apple
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:07:58 -0500

I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but more Apple flavor, imo.

L.A. Rizzo
Kingston, MA


> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> The following link may prove interesting to some of you.
>> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple
>> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with.
>>
>> The photos are of excellent quality.
>>
>> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html
>
> Ariane
> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html
>
> I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch
> vehicle,
> i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit
>
> ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

See the following http://tinyurl.com/clubapples . Envy is listed as a club
apple and you have to belong to the club to grow them and you cannot buy
individual trees of it.
Bob

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Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple

I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores
have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but
more Apple flavor, imo.

L.A. Rizzo
Kingston, MA


> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi
> <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> The following link may prove interesting to some of you.
>> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple
>> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with.
>>
>> The photos are of excellent quality.
>>
>> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html
>
> Ariane
> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html
>
> I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch
> vehicle,
> i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit
>
> ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google
>
>
>
>
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[nafex] Envy Apple

I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but more Apple flavor, imo.

L.A. Rizzo
Kingston, MA


> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> The following link may prove interesting to some of you.
>> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple
>> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with.
>>
>> The photos are of excellent quality.
>>
>> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html
>
> Ariane
> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html
>
> I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch
> vehicle,
> i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit
>
> ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Apple photo collection

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
> wrote:

> The following link may prove interesting to some of you.
> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple
> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with.
>
> The photos are of excellent quality.
>
> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html
>

Ariane
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html

I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch
vehicle,
i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit

ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google




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[nafex] Apple photo collection

Gang,

The following link may prove interesting to some of you.
Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple varieties, many of which I am not familiar with.

The photos are of excellent quality.

http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html

Regards,

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[nafex] Nebraska family walks on the wild side to make jams, jellies (Omaha World Herald)

Nebraska family walks on the wild side to make jams, jellies<http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/nebraska-family-walks-on-the-wild-side-to-make-jams/article_8138cb5d-883e-5123-8b1b-e103b5ad5f4e.html> (Omaha World Herald)
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