[nafex] Raintree Nursery

I thought Raintree Nursery was out of business. Today I received my 2014
catalog. Here is their
phone number. 1 800 391 8892
web site is _www.RaintreeNursery.com_ (http://www.RaintreeNursery.com)

Dan Ester
Eugene, Oregon

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Re: [nafex] Persimmons.

Also,
Rock Bridge Trees - www.rockbridgetrees.com
Hidden Springs Nursery - www.hiddenspringsnursery.com


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Does anyone have a favorite place to order grafted persimmons and paw paws
from? I'm looking for some for next year, and haven't ever ordered these
species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already sold
out for next year.

Thanks!

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Re: [nafex] Persimmons.

England's Orchard & Nursery - www. nuttrees.net
Nolin River Nut Tree Nursery - www. nolinnursery.com

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species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already sold
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[nafex] Persimmons.

Does anyone have a favorite place to order grafted persimmons and paw paws
from? I'm looking for some for next year, and haven't ever ordered these
species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already
sold out for next year.

Thanks!

-matt
z5 se MI
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Re: [nafex] BIG medlars

Hi,

Just curious...
Are the trees bearing the big fruit different in form or size when compared to the standard varieties (say 'Nottingham')?

Best regards,

:-)

Andre Pierre
Central Massachusetts
Zone 5b






On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:21:43PM +0000, Jeffrey Boulier via nafex wrote:
> Dutch is sometimes called "Dutch Giant". ??Haven't heard of it under the Giant of??Uitbergen name.??From personal experience, it is quite a bit bigger than Nottingham.??
> Looking at pictures, I think the biggest variety around is either Large Russian, Puciu Big or Puciulot, none of which I've seen myself. Scroll down on this page:??http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/shrubs/msg0416174328502.html?10??for a picture of Large Russian with an apple. Puciu Big & Puciulot can be compared with some other cultivars here:??http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_imag.pl?24182 ??
>
> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:41 PM, Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas
> Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not
> one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly
> monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember
> 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I
> grew.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338
>
>
> Megan Lynch
> http://www.meganlynch.net
>
> South Pasadena, CA
> Zone 10a
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Re: [nafex] BIG medlars

Dutch is sometimes called "Dutch Giant".  Haven't heard of it under the Giant of Uitbergen name. From personal experience, it is quite a bit bigger than Nottingham. 
Looking at pictures, I think the biggest variety around is either Large Russian, Puciu Big or Puciulot, none of which I've seen myself. Scroll down on this page: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/shrubs/msg0416174328502.html?10 for a picture of Large Russian with an apple. Puciu Big & Puciulot can be compared with some other cultivars here: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_imag.pl?24182  

On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:41 PM, Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:

The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas
Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not
one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly
monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember
'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I
grew.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338

Megan Lynch
http://www.meganlynch.net

South Pasadena, CA
Zone 10a
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Re: [nafex] BIG medlars

The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas
Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not
one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly
monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember
'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I
grew.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338


Megan Lynch
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Zone 10a
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[nafex] BIG medlars

I'm in the process of trying to procure some large varieties of medlar for grafting this spring. I'm hopefully receiving a couple sticks of Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff, which I'm excited about as I understand they are pretty massive. I just came across the names of a couple other varieties of truly giant medlar and was wondering if anyone new of sources for either. One is called Flander's Giant, and it looks like it may be a new variety and perhaps patented, but I'm not sure about that. The other one is an older variety I believe, perhaps Dutch. Its called Giant of Uitbergen. Apparently these 2 varieties have fruit that approaches 3" in diameter. It seems that their size makes them potentially a much more viable crop. I'm imagining running them through a food mill to separate the pulp from the skin and seeds, at which point I think you would have not only the most exotic "applesauce" around, but a really nice accompaniment to holiday meat dishes. Medlar glazed goose anyone?

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Re: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?

My "Crandall" yields seedlings from time to time. I recently gave a couple to local friends.

Maybe find someone local who grows them and bum some seedlings off them?

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On December 8, 2014 5:37:11 PM EST, "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
>Jeff, to my knowledge the only nursery that ever offered R. odoratum
>seedlings was Bear Creek, in northeastern Washington State.
>Unfortunately, that nursery has been out of business for a number of
>years.
>
>I don't know if anyone really knows whether the true vegetatively
>propagated Crandall selection still exists. The Repository at
>Corvallis has a clonal selection, which was donated by either a
>nursery, breeder, or an enthusiast. Whether it is actually the true
>Crandall is something I don't think anyone knows. The original
>selection was made before 1900 in Kansas. I grew up in west-central
>Kansas, where buffalo currants grow wild and bear profusely. I have
>grown Crandall here in Minnesota and although the plant I had here bore
>heavily, it ripened in late August instead of about July 4 as it ripens
>in Kansas. The selection I grew here in St. Paul lacked the really
>rich and sweet flavor of the wild currants we picked in Kansas. I
>don't think its flowers were as fragrant, either. However, the traits
>my Crandall plant displayed in Minnesota may have been greatly affected
>by the climate and amount of heat available during ripening.
>
>I wish someone would test a number of wild clove currant selections to
>see if any are superior to the Crandall currant that is available from
>nurseries today. Clove currants are not difficult to establish from
>seed; my mother used to throw out the water she washed them in (which
>also contained a lot of seeds from burst berries) in a rough spot near
>our farmhouse, and eventually she had a patch of seedlings. However,
>they never bore enough currants to meet her needs. To get that amount
>the whole family went currant picking each summer along the creeks and
>roadsides as well as in our pastures.
>
>My dad's favorite pie was wild currant pie, which IS delicious served
>warm with vanilla ice cream. Mom canned wild currants so he could have
>currant pie anytime she found the time to make it. And mom made lots
>of wild currant jelly. She even helped me make wine from wild currants
>one year.
>
>We've sort of pussyfooted around the R. odoratum-R. aureum debate that
>botanists are engaged in. Prof. Nils Hansen made a number of golden
>current selections at South Dakota State University a number of years
>ago, but I think all of those have been lost. -- Sam Brungardt, St.
>Paul, Minn.
>
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>From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
>Jeffrey Boulier via nafex
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:05 PM
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>Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?
>
>Hi folks,
>Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall
>selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual
>suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich
>mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some
>seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of
>telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other
>suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different.
>Thanks,Jeff
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Re: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?

Jeff, to my knowledge the only nursery that ever offered R. odoratum seedlings was Bear Creek, in northeastern Washington State. Unfortunately, that nursery has been out of business for a number of years.

I don't know if anyone really knows whether the true vegetatively propagated Crandall selection still exists. The Repository at Corvallis has a clonal selection, which was donated by either a nursery, breeder, or an enthusiast. Whether it is actually the true Crandall is something I don't think anyone knows. The original selection was made before 1900 in Kansas. I grew up in west-central Kansas, where buffalo currants grow wild and bear profusely. I have grown Crandall here in Minnesota and although the plant I had here bore heavily, it ripened in late August instead of about July 4 as it ripens in Kansas. The selection I grew here in St. Paul lacked the really rich and sweet flavor of the wild currants we picked in Kansas. I don't think its flowers were as fragrant, either. However, the traits my Crandall plant displayed in Minnesota may have been greatly affected by the climate and amount of heat available during ripening.

I wish someone would test a number of wild clove currant selections to see if any are superior to the Crandall currant that is available from nurseries today. Clove currants are not difficult to establish from seed; my mother used to throw out the water she washed them in (which also contained a lot of seeds from burst berries) in a rough spot near our farmhouse, and eventually she had a patch of seedlings. However, they never bore enough currants to meet her needs. To get that amount the whole family went currant picking each summer along the creeks and roadsides as well as in our pastures.

My dad's favorite pie was wild currant pie, which IS delicious served warm with vanilla ice cream. Mom canned wild currants so he could have currant pie anytime she found the time to make it. And mom made lots of wild currant jelly. She even helped me make wine from wild currants one year.

We've sort of pussyfooted around the R. odoratum-R. aureum debate that botanists are engaged in. Prof. Nils Hansen made a number of golden current selections at South Dakota State University a number of years ago, but I think all of those have been lost. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn.

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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:05 PM
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Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?

Hi folks,
Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different.
Thanks,Jeff
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We sat in his family's village home and sampled various kinds of local fruit that Mr. Rot had gathered for us to try. We'd been tasting for a few minutes ...
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[nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?

Hi folks,
Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different.
Thanks,Jeff
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[nafex] After Honeycrisp, fruit breeder looking for the next 'rock star' apple (LaCrosse Tribune)

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EXCELSIOR, Minn. (TNS) - On a crisp late fall afternoon, David Bedford plucks an apple from a young tree, chomps into the fruit and chews ...
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