[nafex] Tropical fruit survey including nutrition

See
<http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/>

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

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[nafex] Edible nut pines, native persimmons, chinese date

<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3283877/Passion-pesto-puts-pine-tre
es-peril-Entire-ecosystems-Russia-said-danger-nuts-collected-make-sauce.html
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3283877/Passion-pesto-puts-pine-tree
s-peril-Entire-ecosystems-Russia-said-danger-nuts-collected-make-sauce.html

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[nafex] Tom Glasgow: Plan for trees to survive on rainfall alone (New Bern, NC, Sun Journal)

Tom Glasgow: Plan for trees to survive on rainfall alone ( http://www.newbernsj.com/article/20151120/LIFESTYLE/151129877 ) (highlights jujube and gives honorable mention to native persimmon)
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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:13 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> no, this is the first I've heard of this
>

Well, at least the employees are well fed and get lots of primo vitamin C.
Those trees are literally raining lemons. This is my dwarf Meyer lemon a
few years ago:

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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

no, this is the first I've heard of this

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:27 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks for this Lawrence, I tried to track down more info yesterday
>> and couldn't pull anything up..
>>
>
> I was wondering if the facility is for research, commercial nursery and/or
> production for market sales. Any idea?
>
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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:27 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks for this Lawrence, I tried to track down more info yesterday
> and couldn't pull anything up..
>

I was wondering if the facility is for research, commercial nursery and/or
production for market sales. Any idea?

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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

thanks for this Lawrence, I tried to track down more info yesterday
and couldn't pull anything up..

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) <
> sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
>
>> Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing<
>> http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing>
>> (
>> http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing
>> )
>>
>
> Citrus growing in greenhouses in Bashkortostan (original post by Jerry
> Lehman)
>
> Lemonary In Bashkortostanhttps://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>
> (upload of Jerry Lehman's .pdf file attached to nafex post)
> Lemonary in Bashkortostan.pdfhttps://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy
>
> The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent
> photographs):http://lemonarium.ru/index.html
> (in Russian)
>
> Also about the lemonary:http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442
> Experimental Instructional Farm of the Ufimsk Forest Husbandry Technical
> School
> Wholesale, Manufacture
> Russia, Bashkortostan Resp, Ufimskiy r-n, Ufa g, Mingazheva Str., 126,
> office: Mendeleeva Str. 152 / 2
> +7 3472 52-2000
> +7 3472 28-8030
> The Farm demonstrates produce of the ornamental plant nursery "Ufimsk
> Lemonary" for growing citrus and exotic crops (varying-age seedlings of
> lemon, pomegranate, laurel, fig tree, etc.) and specimens of lemon fruit
> of different varieties and forms. The farm has been growing citrus crops
> on an area of 1 ha in protected ground for over 15 year.
>
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent photographs):http://lemonarium.ru/index.html
> (in Russian)
>
> I sure am glad I downloaded that entire site when it was up. It is offline
now. The images there can be seen here now:
https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan


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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) <
sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:

> Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing<
> http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing>
> (
> http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing
> )
>

Citrus growing in greenhouses in Bashkortostan (original post by Jerry
Lehman)

Lemonary In Bashkortostanhttps://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

(upload of Jerry Lehman's .pdf file attached to nafex post)
Lemonary in Bashkortostan.pdfhttps://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy

The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent
photographs):http://lemonarium.ru/index.html
(in Russian)

Also about the lemonary:http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442
Experimental Instructional Farm of the Ufimsk Forest Husbandry Technical
School
Wholesale, Manufacture
Russia, Bashkortostan Resp, Ufimskiy r-n, Ufa g, Mingazheva Str., 126,
office: Mendeleeva Str. 152 / 2
+7 3472 52-2000
+7 3472 28-8030
The Farm demonstrates produce of the ornamental plant nursery "Ufimsk
Lemonary" for growing citrus and exotic crops (varying-age seedlings of
lemon, pomegranate, laurel, fig tree, etc.) and specimens of lemon fruit
of different varieties and forms. The farm has been growing citrus crops
on an area of 1 ha in protected ground for over 15 year.

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[nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing<http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing> (http://www.freshplaza.com/article/149372/Siberia-Farmers-experimenting-with-exotic-fruit-growing )
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Re: [nafex] vol 161, issue 3 keepsake and goldrush

Gold Rush
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> On 11/12/2015 10:09 AM, Deannie Hughes wrote:
>> I packed some in plastic box liners last year and they were in good to
>> fair shape when I ate the last of them in July this year. Slight
>> shriveling and a subdued flavor at the end but still an attractive apple.
>> Stored in a cooler at 33 degrees. Mine come from Lynds in Pataskala OH.
>> They are just getting ripe enough to pick up there now.
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[nafex] Jujubes, or Chinese dates, add zip to New Mexican plates (Albuquerque Journal)

Jujubes, or Chinese dates, add zip to New Mexican plates <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.abqjournal.com/673655/living/jujubes-or-chinese-dates-add-zip-to-new-mexican-plates.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTA4NDkwMzQ5MTU1Njc2ODAxMjAyGmY0ZTdkZmFiYzFjOTM0NzY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGI-ibQoMagAP0bJp92Av176hgzOg> (http://www.abqjournal.com/673655/living/jujubes-or-chinese-dates-add-zip-to-new-mexican-plates.html )
Albuquerque Journal
Jane Moorman, a spokeswoman for NMSU, has jujube trees in her West Mesa backyard. She says likes them fresh off the tree when they taste more ...









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[nafex] Quince: Grow and taste the 'forbidden fruit' (Hutchinson, Kan., News)

Quince: Grow and taste the 'forbidden fruit' <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.hutchnews.com/lifestyle/quince-grow-and-taste-the-forbidden-fruit/article_d45d4757-e5ac-5f26-bb55-b40b33417b1a.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYASoSOTk5OTA5ODc1MzY1NTQ2MzIyMhpkZmUwMTI3NzdiZTg0NWE2OmNvbTplbjpVUw&usg=AFQjCNEMm4mSLGsVjTynZxwS1FfNAq_9vg> (http://www.hutchnews.com/lifestyle/quince-grow-and-taste-the-forbidden-fruit/article_d45d4757-e5ac-5f26-bb55-b40b33417b1a.html )
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Some quince varieties - Aromatnaya and Karp's Sweet - are said to be edible without cooking, but heat is what really unlocks the best this fruit has to ...
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Re: [nafex] vol 161, issue 3 keepsake and goldrush

On 11/12/2015 10:09 AM, Deannie Hughes wrote:
> I packed some in plastic box liners last year and they were in good to
> fair shape when I ate the last of them in July this year. Slight
> shriveling and a subdued flavor at the end but still an attractive
> apple. Stored in a cooler at 33 degrees. Mine come from Lynds in
> Pataskala OH. They are just getting ripe enough to pick up there now.
Were you referring to keepsake or gold rush?
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Re: [nafex] vol 161, issue 3 keepsake and goldrush

I packed some in plastic box liners last year and they were in good to fair
shape when I ate the last of them in July this year. Slight shriveling and a
subdued flavor at the end but still an attractive apple. Stored in a cooler
at 33 degrees. Mine come from Lynds in Pataskala OH. They are just getting
ripe enough to pick up there now.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:07 PM
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> from wynne weinreb jerzy boyz farm chelan wa
>
>
> From: "Webmail wynne" <wynne@crcwnet.com>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:06:30 PM
> Subject: vol 161, digest 3 keepsake and goldrush
>
> biggest drawback to the luscious goldrush apple is keeping--after a few
> months, unless we pack well in alot of paper, the apples will shrivel and
> look like a quilted soft
> unattractive piece of fruit keepsake rocks, lovely taste does not last
> long enough at our markets to see how it long stores, dont have enough and
> they get bought up fast
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Re: [nafex] vol 161, issue 3 keepsake and goldrush

from wynne weinreb jerzy boyz farm chelan wa


From: "Webmail wynne" <wynne@crcwnet.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:06:30 PM
Subject: vol 161, digest 3 keepsake and goldrush

biggest drawback to the luscious goldrush apple is keeping--after a few months, unless we pack well in alot of paper, the apples will shrivel and look like a quilted soft
unattractive piece of fruit keepsake rocks, lovely taste does not last long enough at our markets to see how it long stores, dont have enough and they get bought up fast

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[nafex] vol 161, digest 3 keepsake and goldrush

biggest drawback to the luscious goldrush apple is keeping--after a few months, unless we pack well in alot of paper, the apples will shrivel and look like a quilted soft
unattractive piece of fruit keepsake rocks, lovely taste does not last long enough at our markets to see how it long stores, dont have enough and they get bought up fast
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[nafex] keepsake

I'll throw in another vote for keepsake, in the upper midwest. though
ours are not exactly the best looking apples we grow, they are one of
the tastiest. seems that popularity is lower just for the simple fact
that they are later season, at least in this neck of the woods. We'll
sell them here at out first winter farmers market and they always do
well (after sampling, of course).

we picked ours about a month ago and now they are really quite amazing.
In the past when I used to buy apples, I'd keep keepsake in the root
cellar for 3-4 months and they'd start to get shrivelly skins but the
texture would remain crisp. I'm not sure quite how long they would last
under controlled conditions.

Anton Ptak
W. Wisconsin




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> We signed up for an organic fruit CSA in zone 5, NY, and of the many apple varieties, only Keepsake and Goldrush weren't riddled with wormholes. Keepsake was wonderfully sweet and crisp, with an intense tropical aroma. It's inexplicable to me that it's not more popular. I prefer it to Honeycrisp.
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Re: [nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

I had Morus nigra which I just planted in the ground (zone 3) and it
produced fruit the year after transplant. It was buried in snow over the
Winter. I got only two years of production, with scant growth and, not
unexpectedly, it didn't survive a Winter with scant snow.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

I'm planting morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots and overwintering
in a cool basement (zone 6b). I hear that morus nigra can take 10+ years to
bear. Any tips on getting it to bear earlier? High phosphorous and
potassium fertilizer? Bone meal?
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Re: [nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

I've been growing a Morus nigra in an 18" pot for the last 3 years, and
it's still only 2 feet tall. I move it into a partially heated greenhouse
every winter. For what it's worth, I've noticed that it gets some sort of
leaf disease that I don't see on Morus alba.

Fred
Carmel, IN (zone 5B)

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Steve Herje <loneroc1@gmail.com> wrote:

> You might also want to search for 'trunk girdling' or 'stem constriction'.
> When I used to grow out tons of magnolia seedlings, in the third year I'd
> bind the trunk with insulated wire for a year or two. The stem would
> continue to expand and the resulting constriction interfered with sap flow.
> It seemed to significantly shorten the time for slow maturing crosses to
> flower. I did not have a control group of seedlings so...
>
> Steve H. Lone Rock WI USDA zone 3
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Re: [nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

You might also want to search for 'trunk girdling' or 'stem constriction'.
When I used to grow out tons of magnolia seedlings, in the third year I'd
bind the trunk with insulated wire for a year or two. The stem would
continue to expand and the resulting constriction interfered with sap flow.
It seemed to significantly shorten the time for slow maturing crosses to
flower. I did not have a control group of seedlings so...

Steve H. Lone Rock WI USDA zone 3
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Re: [nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

Plants need to grow beyond their juvenility phase before they can bear flowers and fruit. The way to do this is to maximize growth. Experiments with apple seedling showed that prolonging growth with a greenhouse (and maybe artificial lighting for longer days), in addition to good growing conditions, hastened the transition to maturity. (This was from a research report by Dr. Richard Zimmerman in, I think, HortScience).

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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Nathan Wilson <nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm planting morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots and overwintering
> in a cool basement (zone 6b). I hear that morus nigra can take 10+ years to
> bear. Any tips on getting it to bear earlier? High phosphorous and
> potassium fertilizer? Bone meal?
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[nafex] Accelerate Fruiting - morus nigra

I'm planting morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots and overwintering
in a cool basement (zone 6b). I hear that morus nigra can take 10+ years to
bear. Any tips on getting it to bear earlier? High phosphorous and
potassium fertilizer? Bone meal?
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Re: [nafex] Late Rooted Fig Cuttings

I have dozens of figs that really only have been rooted for a couple
months, they aren't developed enough to go dormant and be stored in
the basement will all the older container figs, so I grow them out in
a sunny window, I might even feed them once or twice in early
spring... when I put them outside next spring, I will cut back most
of the winter's growth except for some structure, some growing them
thru that first winter is more for the sake of growing out the roots
than for top growth...

~mIEKAL

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
> My only experience is one cutting taken late in the year that pushed out
> roots in late summer, I too overwintered it indoors with some light from a
> south facing window. I did pot it up into soil for the winter and it made
> some new leaves overwinter. I planted it the next spring and although it has
> survived 5 years it has never thrived. I suspect the site though as it is in
> part shade. All my other cuttings were started in winter and I planted them
> the following season. Figs definitely respond positively to warm
> temperatures with vigorous growth.
>
> I have had back luck in general with late plantings of mail ordered young
> figs that have poor root systems. They appear to be very sensitive to winter
> injury.
>
> Betsy Hilborn
> 7a NC
>
>
> On 11/8/2015 2:41 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote:
>>
>> Greetings All -
>>
>> Late this summer I stumbled across a couple of new-to-me fig trees from
>> which I was able to take cuttings. Most are now rooted in 50/50
>> perlite/vermiculite. I'm wondering what the best way to get them through
>> winter is. I've brought them inside and have them sitting beside a sunny
>> south-facing window at the moment. Most still have their "nursery" leaf
>> still attached (on one cutting the leaf has fallen off, but it appears
>> fairly well-rooted).
>>
>> I'm inclined to leave them as is with leaves, keep them moist, and see
>> what
>> happens over winter.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Pete Chrisbacher
>> Wilmington DE (6b)
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[nafex] Ornamental plum with black knot resistance

Pete,
I'd check with Michael McConkey at Edible Landscaping. He's in the
midAtlantic, and has offered purple-leaf plums in the past.

Richard Moyer
SW VA
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Re: [nafex] Late Rooted Fig Cuttings

My only experience is one cutting taken late in the year that pushed out
roots in late summer, I too overwintered it indoors with some light from
a south facing window. I did pot it up into soil for the winter and it
made some new leaves overwinter. I planted it the next spring and
although it has survived 5 years it has never thrived. I suspect the
site though as it is in part shade. All my other cuttings were started
in winter and I planted them the following season. Figs definitely
respond positively to warm temperatures with vigorous growth.

I have had back luck in general with late plantings of mail ordered
young figs that have poor root systems. They appear to be very sensitive
to winter injury.

Betsy Hilborn
7a NC

On 11/8/2015 2:41 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote:
> Greetings All -
>
> Late this summer I stumbled across a couple of new-to-me fig trees from
> which I was able to take cuttings. Most are now rooted in 50/50
> perlite/vermiculite. I'm wondering what the best way to get them through
> winter is. I've brought them inside and have them sitting beside a sunny
> south-facing window at the moment. Most still have their "nursery" leaf
> still attached (on one cutting the leaf has fallen off, but it appears
> fairly well-rooted).
>
> I'm inclined to leave them as is with leaves, keep them moist, and see what
> happens over winter.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Pete Chrisbacher
> Wilmington DE (6b)
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 160, Issue 10

Replacement for plum could be so many things, but I would refer to Dirr's
book and choose a disease resistant crab apple.

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> Greetings All -
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> The once beautiful purple ornamental Plum beside our church is sadly
> riddled with black knot. I'd like to replace it with an ornamental of
> similar size and color. Recommendations? Whatever goes into that spot can't
> be black knot susceptible. I was hoping to find a red Plum that would fit
> the bill, but none that I've found are fully resistant.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Pete
> Wilmington DE (6B)
>
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> Greetings All -
>
> Late this summer I stumbled across a couple of new-to-me fig trees from
> which I was able to take cuttings. Most are now rooted in 50/50
> perlite/vermiculite. I'm wondering what the best way to get them through
> winter is. I've brought them inside and have them sitting beside a sunny
> south-facing window at the moment. Most still have their "nursery" leaf
> still attached (on one cutting the leaf has fallen off, but it appears
> fairly well-rooted).
>
> I'm inclined to leave them as is with leaves, keep them moist, and see what
> happens over winter.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Pete Chrisbacher
> Wilmington DE (6b)
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Re: [nafex] Black Knot Ornamental Plum Replacement

IF you are open to an apple substitute, one of the red-fleshed can be quite ornamental and smaller: For instance, Winekist and Redfield both have lovely blossom and bloom among the earliest of apples - near the time of plums. Winekist is a natural semi-dwarf in its own right and Redfield on M26, Gen30, 41 or 935 would be modest in size.
Both are not too hard to find in your area.

Someone else must recommend a resistant plum, which is beyond my experience,

Dave Liezen


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> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 04:00:06 -0500
> From: pxbacher@gmail.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Black Knot Ornamental Plum Replacement
>
> Greetings All -
>
> The once beautiful purple ornamental Plum beside our church is sadly
> riddled with black knot. I'd like to replace it with an ornamental of
> similar size and color. Recommendations? Whatever goes into that spot can't
> be black knot susceptible. I was hoping to find a red Plum that would fit
> the bill, but none that I've found are fully resistant.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Pete
> Wilmington DE (6B)
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[nafex] Late Rooted Fig Cuttings

Greetings All -

Late this summer I stumbled across a couple of new-to-me fig trees from
which I was able to take cuttings. Most are now rooted in 50/50
perlite/vermiculite. I'm wondering what the best way to get them through
winter is. I've brought them inside and have them sitting beside a sunny
south-facing window at the moment. Most still have their "nursery" leaf
still attached (on one cutting the leaf has fallen off, but it appears
fairly well-rooted).

I'm inclined to leave them as is with leaves, keep them moist, and see what
happens over winter.

Thoughts?

Pete Chrisbacher
Wilmington DE (6b)
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[nafex] Black Knot Ornamental Plum Replacement

Greetings All -

The once beautiful purple ornamental Plum beside our church is sadly
riddled with black knot. I'd like to replace it with an ornamental of
similar size and color. Recommendations? Whatever goes into that spot can't
be black knot susceptible. I was hoping to find a red Plum that would fit
the bill, but none that I've found are fully resistant.

Thanks!

-Pete
Wilmington DE (6B)
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

A comment below one of those articles mentions this nursery, which has a lot of interesting varieties:
http://www.greenmantlenursery.com/fruit2008/sweetmeat-crab-hybrids2008.htm

I want to try one of these supposedly extremely aromatic Muscat de Venus apples.

Melissa
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

We signed up for an organic fruit CSA in zone 5, NY, and of the many apple varieties, only Keepsake and Goldrush weren't riddled with wormholes. Keepsake was wonderfully sweet and crisp, with an intense tropical aroma. It's inexplicable to me that it's not more popular. I prefer it to Honeycrisp.

Melissa

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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

Oh.... Cox Orange Pippen. I had a tree once. It had one good year in 7 so
I pulled it out. But the apples were Amazing. Seemingly it does not like
hot weather. We go into the 100s every year. But Keepsake has no trouble
with that. I would call Keepsake grower friendly, maybe even outright
affectionate.
Naomi

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Barbowski
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

*I agree with the Keepsake plaudits. Had 3 apples 2 years ago and couldn't
really make a statement. Last year, my 30 plus apples were stolen - in late
October as I had left the apples on the tree too long. This year, I picked
and tasted my 40 apple crop in early October; it quickly became my favorite
sweet apple. Firm, jucy and quite pest resistant - but then I bag my
apples.I grafted Macoun 4-5 years ago because it was, at that time, my
favorite for sweetness. It has yet to bear so I am unable to compare it to
others in my specific environment; likewise with honeycrisp. Cox's Orange
Pippen is right up there.*

*john b*

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:

> I have enjoyed my Keepsake for many years. Really nice hard crunch
> and plenty of flavor. Don't know about keeping, since I ate it too fast.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> david liezen
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:12 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media
>
> I had a first encounter with Macoun two years back. The vanilla note
> was unexpected and lingered in the finish. Great apple! The season for
> it is rather brief, but so worth finding.
> I'd like to get my teeth into Keepsake - the mother of Honeycrisp by
> DNA analysis - for I read it has much more flavor with similar
> breaking texture, and keeps all winter in cellar.
>
> Dave Liezen
>
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

*I agree with the Keepsake plaudits. Had 3 apples 2 years ago and couldn't
really make a statement. Last year, my 30 plus apples were stolen - in late
October as I had left the apples on the tree too long. This year, I picked
and tasted my 40 apple crop in early October; it quickly became my favorite
sweet apple. Firm, jucy and quite pest resistant - but then I bag my
apples.I grafted Macoun 4-5 years ago because it was, at that time, my
favorite for sweetness. It has yet to bear so I am unable to compare it to
others in my specific environment; likewise with honeycrisp. Cox's Orange
Pippen is right up there.*

*john b*

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:

> I have enjoyed my Keepsake for many years. Really nice hard crunch and
> plenty of flavor. Don't know about keeping, since I ate it too fast.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of david
> liezen
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:12 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media
>
> I had a first encounter with Macoun two years back. The vanilla note was
> unexpected and lingered in the finish. Great apple! The season for it is
> rather brief, but so worth finding.
> I'd like to get my teeth into Keepsake - the mother of Honeycrisp by DNA
> analysis - for I read it has much more flavor with similar breaking
> texture,
> and keeps all winter in cellar.
>
> Dave Liezen
>
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

I have enjoyed my Keepsake for many years. Really nice hard crunch and
plenty of flavor. Don't know about keeping, since I ate it too fast.
Naomi

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liezen
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:12 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

I had a first encounter with Macoun two years back. The vanilla note was
unexpected and lingered in the finish. Great apple! The season for it is
rather brief, but so worth finding.
I'd like to get my teeth into Keepsake - the mother of Honeycrisp by DNA
analysis - for I read it has much more flavor with similar breaking texture,
and keeps all winter in cellar.

Dave Liezen


----------------------------------------
> From: list@ginda.us
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:53:45 -0500
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org; dwoodard@becon.org
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media
>
> I, also, prefer the texture of Macoun to Honeycrisp. But Macoun can only
be grown well in a small region, and doesn't keep well. Honeycrisp, despite
the complaints, is much more widely adapted and can be stored for months.
> --
> Typed with Swype. Who knows what I meant to say?
>
> On November 6, 2015 1:22:26 AM EST, dwoodard@becon.org wrote:
>> See
>><http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-beloved-honeycrisp-comes-under
>>-fire/340356951/>
>>
>> and
>><http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/dining/beyond-the-honeycrisp-apple.
>>html>
>>
>>My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
>>of picking make a difference.
>> One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
>>is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
>>seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
>>
>> Doug Woodard
>> St. Catharines, Ontario
>>
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

I had a first encounter with Macoun two years back. The vanilla note was unexpected and lingered in the finish. Great apple! The season for it is rather brief, but so worth finding.
I'd like to get my teeth into Keepsake - the mother of Honeycrisp by DNA analysis - for I read it has much more flavor with similar breaking texture, and keeps all winter in cellar.

Dave Liezen


----------------------------------------
> From: list@ginda.us
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:53:45 -0500
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org; dwoodard@becon.org
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media
>
> I, also, prefer the texture of Macoun to Honeycrisp. But Macoun can only be grown well in a small region, and doesn't keep well. Honeycrisp, despite the complaints, is much more widely adapted and can be stored for months.
> --
> Typed with Swype. Who knows what I meant to say?
>
> On November 6, 2015 1:22:26 AM EST, dwoodard@becon.org wrote:
>> See
>><http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-beloved-honeycrisp-comes-under-fire/340356951/>
>>
>> and
>><http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/dining/beyond-the-honeycrisp-apple.html>
>>
>>My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
>> of picking make a difference.
>> One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
>>is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
>> seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
>>
>> Doug Woodard
>> St. Catharines, Ontario
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

I, also, prefer the texture of Macoun to Honeycrisp. But Macoun can only be grown well in a small region, and doesn't keep well. Honeycrisp, despite the complaints, is much more widely adapted and can be stored for months.
--
Typed with Swype. Who knows what I meant to say?

On November 6, 2015 1:22:26 AM EST, dwoodard@becon.org wrote:
> See
><http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-beloved-honeycrisp-comes-under-fire/340356951/>
>
> and
><http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/dining/beyond-the-honeycrisp-apple.html>
>
>My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
> of picking make a difference.
> One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
>is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
> seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario
>
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 160, Issue 4

For the general consumer, Honeycrisp offers a great deal compared to the
apples next to it in most grocery stores. For the experienced apple
enthusiast with knowledge of hundreds of varieties it usually is not such
an impressive apple. We apple lovers with a wide range varietal knowledge
are an extreme but growing minority. Honeycrisp at least draws interest to
the field.

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> See
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> http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-beloved-honeycrisp-comes-under-fire/340356951/
> >
>
> and
> <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/dining/beyond-the-honeycrisp-apple.html>
>
> My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
> of picking make a difference.
> One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
> is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
> seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario
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>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:49:20 -0500
> From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media
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> On 11/6/2015 1:22 AM, dwoodard@becon.org wrote:
> > My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
> > of picking make a difference.
> > One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
> > is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
> > seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
> >
> > Doug Woodard
> Doug etl.,
>
> I'm not an Apple expert but location and time of picking can make a huge
> difference. Time and temperature in storage and length of storage will
> change apple taste and texture.
>
> And not everyone's preference of texture is the same. I had a variety
> "Fall Gold" purchased from Stark Brothers Nursery some years back which
> my son thoroughly liked. It was very crisp, cracked like a small
> firecracker when you took a bite out of it and juicy with a bland
> flavor, I did not care for it in the slightest. Mutsu tends to be on the
> soft side, sweet and very flavorful which is one of my favorites and he
> didn't care for it at all because it isn't real crisp. Primary for my
> son is texture, for myself is taste. Texture and taste are subjective.
>
> Jerry
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

On 11/6/2015 1:22 AM, dwoodard@becon.org wrote:
> My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
> of picking make a difference.
> One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
> is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
> seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.
>
> Doug Woodard
Doug etl.,

I'm not an Apple expert but location and time of picking can make a huge
difference. Time and temperature in storage and length of storage will
change apple taste and texture.

And not everyone's preference of texture is the same. I had a variety
"Fall Gold" purchased from Stark Brothers Nursery some years back which
my son thoroughly liked. It was very crisp, cracked like a small
firecracker when you took a bite out of it and juicy with a bland
flavor, I did not care for it in the slightest. Mutsu tends to be on the
soft side, sweet and very flavorful which is one of my favorites and he
didn't care for it at all because it isn't real crisp. Primary for my
son is texture, for myself is taste. Texture and taste are subjective.

Jerry
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[nafex] [ARTICLES] Honeycrisp discussions in media

See
<http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-beloved-honeycrisp-comes-under-fire/340356951/>

and
<http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/dining/beyond-the-honeycrisp-apple.html>

My impression as an eater is that the location of growing and the time
of picking make a difference.
One batch had a very nice slightly spicy flavour; usually the flavour
is pleasant but the texture is the main attraction. The texture though
seems to me slightly inferior to Macoun.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario


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Re: [nafex] miller kiwis

I was able to punch a URL into archive.org's "way back machine" to look at some old Miller Nurseries catalogs. They do not name the variety of kiwi that they sell, so I guess it could be anything. I'm hoping to use some of the already layered prunings to establish stool beds for nursery stock, thus my wanting to know the variety. I acquired some paw paw scion wood of Miller Nurseries provenance not long ago and thought I might be able to track down a cultivar name for that too. No such luck it seems. I know Miller was well liked by many and a reputable nursery, but I have always associated the selling of generic unnamed varieties with the likes of Burgess and similar high volume-low quality nurseries. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Nov 4, 2015, 2:53:37 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: Send nafex mailing list submissions to nafex@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Miller kiwis (Devin Smith) 2. Low-hanging fruit: scientists unlock pineapple's genetic secrets (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:37:54 -0800 From: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com> To: Mailing List at Ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [nafex] Miller kiwis Message-ID: <1446604674.85854.YahooMailIosMobile@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/attachments/20151103/3ea03a19/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:53:01 +0000 From: "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [nafex] Low-hanging fruit: scientists unlock pineapple's genetic secrets Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057CC71F@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Low-hanging fruit: scientists unlock pineapple's genetic secrets <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/us-science-pineapple-idUSKCN0SR2IB20151102&ct=ga&cd=CAEYASoUMTQyNjg5NDc2OTI2NjIyNzk3MjEyGmRmZTAxMjc3N2JlODQ1YTY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNEzslzXruBT4Rh3ohGf0TMP7tOlxw> ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/us-science-pineapple-idUSKCN0SR2IB20151102 ) Reuters They are the second most important tropical fruit crop behind bananas, and are grown in more than 80 countries, with an annual value of more than $8 ... ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer __________________ nafex mailing list nafex@lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex ------------------------------ End of nafex Digest, Vol 160, Issue 2 *************************************

[nafex] Low-hanging fruit: scientists unlock pineapple's genetic secrets

Low-hanging fruit: scientists unlock pineapple's genetic secrets <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/us-science-pineapple-idUSKCN0SR2IB20151102&ct=ga&cd=CAEYASoUMTQyNjg5NDc2OTI2NjIyNzk3MjEyGmRmZTAxMjc3N2JlODQ1YTY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNEzslzXruBT4Rh3ohGf0TMP7tOlxw> ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/us-science-pineapple-idUSKCN0SR2IB20151102 )
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They are the second most important tropical fruit crop behind bananas, and are grown in more than 80 countries, with an annual value of more than $8 ...

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[nafex] Miller kiwis

I was recently given four mature fruiting arguta kiwis. The former owner didn't know the varieties but he is quite certain he acquired them from Miller Nurseries maybe 6-7 yrs ago. I'd really like to know what they are. Does anyone have old Miller Catalogs or remember what they might have offered? It's not an obvious variety like Anna (red skin) kens red (red inside) Michigan state (huge) etc. but appears to be medium sized and green inside and out. I've tried finding it on Internet archive's the "way back machine" but no luck yet. I think I would need the URL for that to work. -Devin Smith

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