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Hi,
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Monday, May 23, 2016
[nafex] no mulberries this year
Last year I decided some of these mulberry weed trees have got to go. I wanted to check their blossoms this spring and remove at least a few males, and later check the fruits on the females. The 27 degree night (maybe a little colder in my microclimate) damaged some of the males, and I'm seeing no female flowers.
Also, the freeze hit wine grapes hard, but I see lots of flower buds on the recovering growth of wild grapes.
tc, s WI
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Also, the freeze hit wine grapes hard, but I see lots of flower buds on the recovering growth of wild grapes.
tc, s WI
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[nafex] winter hardiness question
I've had an apple tree mostly die last winter, and I doubt it will fully recover. It was growing well, in some of my better soil, a few years old but not yet making fruit, a known hardy variety on a possibly not as hardy rootstock. I see now it has a vertical crack in the trunk which isn't fresh and I suspect happened in a previous bitter winter.
Isn't this supposed to kill a tree right away? How many years can a tree last with this damage? Did it suffer as much damage from the too mild 2015-16 winter?
Tanis Cuff, s WI, deerflies and ticks and mosquitos all active but I still have a lot of work to do
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Isn't this supposed to kill a tree right away? How many years can a tree last with this damage? Did it suffer as much damage from the too mild 2015-16 winter?
Tanis Cuff, s WI, deerflies and ticks and mosquitos all active but I still have a lot of work to do
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Re: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
Cut the blossom's stems ASAP with a new sharp razor the sharpest little scissors you have. As soon as the petals fall the stems get tougher.
The buds might not grow much this year, but should next year.
On Saturday, May 21, 2016 2:38 PM, ROBERT W JUDY A <hartmansfruit@msn.com> wrote:
tfb,
I have had that happen a lot of times. I try not to collect scionwood that
have fruit buds on them but if it does it will bloom and then produce the
vegetative growth. It just takes energy to do that but as soon as the
flowers or fruit forms you can pinch or cut it off. Just be careful that
you don't pull hard enough and pull the bud off or damage it. The Jonagold
apple is notorious for that.
Bob
Western Washington
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From: fuwa fuwa usagi
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:59 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
Gang,
So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds
on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I
out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned
about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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The buds might not grow much this year, but should next year.
On Saturday, May 21, 2016 2:38 PM, ROBERT W JUDY A <hartmansfruit@msn.com> wrote:
tfb,
I have had that happen a lot of times. I try not to collect scionwood that
have fruit buds on them but if it does it will bloom and then produce the
vegetative growth. It just takes energy to do that but as soon as the
flowers or fruit forms you can pinch or cut it off. Just be careful that
you don't pull hard enough and pull the bud off or damage it. The Jonagold
apple is notorious for that.
Bob
Western Washington
-----Original Message-----
From: fuwa fuwa usagi
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:59 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
Gang,
So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds
on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I
out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned
about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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Re: [nafex] rooting from storage callus
Thanks guys. Jerry, sorry! Apple & pear, names mostly forgotten and chance-seedlings. Good info re temperature. Scionwood got stored this winter in the household refrig. Also, S WI had an off-n-on winter which has me wondering if stuff ever went entirely dormant or woke up too soon. But the refrig is probably the main ingredient.
I've been struggling with varieties which don't seem to like any rootstock, so I might try own-root.
On Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:27 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/21/2016 12:12 AM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
> It depends a great, great deal on the variety. Milam roots easily from cuttings.
>
> Some rootstocks also root very easily. M27 for example. The rootstock itself will root where it touches the ground and along the length of the stem is you bury it. And callous pieces root about as well as black currant cuttings.
>
> If you are going to do this, I would consider watering with willow water. Not sure if it a bunch of woo, but it seems to work miracles for me. But then I am a statistical singleton.
>
> Regards...
>
> tfb
>
>
> As I do my grafting I notice that some of the scionwood has formed a
> nice ring of callus tissue at the bottom. If I were to pot these for
> rooting, would they grow? If so, how many growing seasons until they
> make trees suitable for planting out?
The fluffy one is right. Please permit me to add my $.02 worth.
You didn't say the species of your wood which makes a huge difference.
But the observation that I'd like to throw in is if you're scion wood
calloused you may be storing it too warm. Also forming callus takes
energy out of the scion wood and in all likelihood will reduce the
amount of successes you will have grafting it. Store your scion wood as
close to 32 as you can get your storage unit, I suspect your
refrigerator is set at about 45°, which is too warm. Just checked the
temperature gauge in my refrigerator a few days back and it said 28° .
The water jugs I keep in there to reduce the cycle times was not frozen,
however frost does often form in my bags of scion wood and I've not seen
any indication that it hurts the scions.
Jerry Lehman
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Sunday, May 22, 2016
Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
Yes!
I have at least 3 or 4 plants of it, grafted onto cockspur hawthorn
understock. Gave one to a friend who lives on Lake Barkley on this side of
Land Between the Lakes - she'd seen an episode of 'Duck Dynasty' where Phil
Robinson was showing his grandkids how to harvest mayhaws and make jelly;
she was asking if I knew anything about the trees, and I said, "I've got
one for you".
No fruit yet - but the one planted at the end of my wife's tennis court
might have bloomed this spring- it's on a pretty steep bank, and I've not
looked at it yet this season.
Last two years, rust has taken most of the crop on my mayhaws... may have
to consider spraying. They are small enough, and few enough in numbers
that I might consider that. Anything else here pretty much has to produce
with little to no care - and no spraying. I'm not opposed to spraying,
just don't really have time to do it.
Hope you're doing well. Long cool spring here... feels almost like summer
today, after low temps into the 40s for the last couple of weeks.
Lucky
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:36 PM, <topgun@otelco.net> wrote:
> Lucky: Did you have any luck with the Collossal mayhaw wood I sent to you?
>
> Topgun
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Lucky Pittman
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:35 AM
> To: 'mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters'
> Subject: Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
>
> Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
> We escaped any serious damage, so far as I can tell at this point, this
> year.
>
> But I can identify with you... back in 2007, we'd had an inordinately warm
> Feb/March...with almost everything breaking dormancy... then Easter
> arrived,
> with four consecutive nights of temperatures dropping into the 'teens.
> Many plants had 6-10 inches of tender new growth that was killed back.
> Almost all Carpathian walnuts, heartnuts, persimmons were killed back to
> their rootstock - amazingly, though, most of the Asian persimmons I had at
> that time were still dormant. Seedling heartnuts were killed outright.
> Big mature hickories and oaks in my forest were killed back to main trunk.
> Subsequent to the Easter Big Freeze Disaster, we went from May 10 to Nov 30
> with a single 1" rain event... a lot of mature trees succumbed to the
> double-whammy of freeze and drought.
>
> Lucky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of V.
> Michael
> Bove, Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
> The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the
> flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan),
> apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally,
> but no idea yet about fruit set.
>
> Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our
> magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
>
> Michael Bove
> Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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I have at least 3 or 4 plants of it, grafted onto cockspur hawthorn
understock. Gave one to a friend who lives on Lake Barkley on this side of
Land Between the Lakes - she'd seen an episode of 'Duck Dynasty' where Phil
Robinson was showing his grandkids how to harvest mayhaws and make jelly;
she was asking if I knew anything about the trees, and I said, "I've got
one for you".
No fruit yet - but the one planted at the end of my wife's tennis court
might have bloomed this spring- it's on a pretty steep bank, and I've not
looked at it yet this season.
Last two years, rust has taken most of the crop on my mayhaws... may have
to consider spraying. They are small enough, and few enough in numbers
that I might consider that. Anything else here pretty much has to produce
with little to no care - and no spraying. I'm not opposed to spraying,
just don't really have time to do it.
Hope you're doing well. Long cool spring here... feels almost like summer
today, after low temps into the 40s for the last couple of weeks.
Lucky
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:36 PM, <topgun@otelco.net> wrote:
> Lucky: Did you have any luck with the Collossal mayhaw wood I sent to you?
>
> Topgun
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Lucky Pittman
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:35 AM
> To: 'mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters'
> Subject: Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
>
> Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
> We escaped any serious damage, so far as I can tell at this point, this
> year.
>
> But I can identify with you... back in 2007, we'd had an inordinately warm
> Feb/March...with almost everything breaking dormancy... then Easter
> arrived,
> with four consecutive nights of temperatures dropping into the 'teens.
> Many plants had 6-10 inches of tender new growth that was killed back.
> Almost all Carpathian walnuts, heartnuts, persimmons were killed back to
> their rootstock - amazingly, though, most of the Asian persimmons I had at
> that time were still dormant. Seedling heartnuts were killed outright.
> Big mature hickories and oaks in my forest were killed back to main trunk.
> Subsequent to the Easter Big Freeze Disaster, we went from May 10 to Nov 30
> with a single 1" rain event... a lot of mature trees succumbed to the
> double-whammy of freeze and drought.
>
> Lucky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of V.
> Michael
> Bove, Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
> The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the
> flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan),
> apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally,
> but no idea yet about fruit set.
>
> Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our
> magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
>
> Michael Bove
> Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince---more options
Betsy,
I agree the flesh can be an acquired taste; some of my kids like them and
some don't, same as my market customers. But the steam extracted juice is
our favorite, and is most preferred by some chefs as well.
And yes, I have tried some fruits that weren't our favorites, so we're not
doing those now.
While traveling to Charlotte this AM, I drove some secondary roads, looking
for quince and other items of interest. Saw some large quince bushes (one
huge one!) that I may check back on this fall.
If something jogs your memory, would be helpful to know which cultivar of
Chaenomeles for you was resistant to rust.
And also, if you observe any this fall with healthy fruit in your area
(rust free), would be worth noting. I tend to drive around in the spring
when they are in full bloom trying to take note of locations.
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I agree the flesh can be an acquired taste; some of my kids like them and
some don't, same as my market customers. But the steam extracted juice is
our favorite, and is most preferred by some chefs as well.
And yes, I have tried some fruits that weren't our favorites, so we're not
doing those now.
While traveling to Charlotte this AM, I drove some secondary roads, looking
for quince and other items of interest. Saw some large quince bushes (one
huge one!) that I may check back on this fall.
If something jogs your memory, would be helpful to know which cultivar of
Chaenomeles for you was resistant to rust.
And also, if you observe any this fall with healthy fruit in your area
(rust free), would be worth noting. I tend to drive around in the spring
when they are in full bloom trying to take note of locations.
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Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
Lucky: Did you have any luck with the Collossal mayhaw wood I sent to you?
Topgun
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From: Dr. Lucky Pittman
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:35 AM
To: 'mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters'
Subject: Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
We escaped any serious damage, so far as I can tell at this point, this
year.
But I can identify with you... back in 2007, we'd had an inordinately warm
Feb/March...with almost everything breaking dormancy... then Easter arrived,
with four consecutive nights of temperatures dropping into the 'teens.
Many plants had 6-10 inches of tender new growth that was killed back.
Almost all Carpathian walnuts, heartnuts, persimmons were killed back to
their rootstock - amazingly, though, most of the Asian persimmons I had at
that time were still dormant. Seedling heartnuts were killed outright.
Big mature hickories and oaks in my forest were killed back to main trunk.
Subsequent to the Easter Big Freeze Disaster, we went from May 10 to Nov 30
with a single 1" rain event... a lot of mature trees succumbed to the
double-whammy of freeze and drought.
Lucky
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From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of V. Michael
Bove, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:08 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the
flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan),
apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally,
but no idea yet about fruit set.
Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our
magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
Michael Bove
Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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From: Dr. Lucky Pittman
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:35 AM
To: 'mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters'
Subject: Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
We escaped any serious damage, so far as I can tell at this point, this
year.
But I can identify with you... back in 2007, we'd had an inordinately warm
Feb/March...with almost everything breaking dormancy... then Easter arrived,
with four consecutive nights of temperatures dropping into the 'teens.
Many plants had 6-10 inches of tender new growth that was killed back.
Almost all Carpathian walnuts, heartnuts, persimmons were killed back to
their rootstock - amazingly, though, most of the Asian persimmons I had at
that time were still dormant. Seedling heartnuts were killed outright.
Big mature hickories and oaks in my forest were killed back to main trunk.
Subsequent to the Easter Big Freeze Disaster, we went from May 10 to Nov 30
with a single 1" rain event... a lot of mature trees succumbed to the
double-whammy of freeze and drought.
Lucky
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of V. Michael
Bove, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:08 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the
flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan),
apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally,
but no idea yet about fruit set.
Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our
magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
Michael Bove
Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options
Now that you mention rust, I do remember that another reason I removed
the Chaenomeles was that 2 of three bushes were severely affected by
rust. I remember one variety - the name has escaped me, bore the
majority of edible fruit as most fruit was infected and inedible on the
two other varieties.
I have the same problem with serviceberries. Most years I get no edible
fruit.
We must have a bad location (humid valley) as I see Eastern Red cedars
everywhere around here. I do not think everyone in this area has these
severe rust issues.
Betsy Hilborn
7a NC
On 5/22/2016 8:27 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> I have seen rust on Chaenomeles - but not here at the house.
> Saw a particularly ugly infestation on a single pear tree, years ago when I
> was visiting the old Dr. Alexander Nunn orchard at Lochapoka AL... needless
> to say, I didn't bring any budwood from that one...
> I'm not certain which strains of the rust fungus I have here. Certainly
> cedar-apple, as I see the lesions on some apples (Gold Rush) and native
> crabs. Last couple of years, I've lost virtually my entire mayhaw crop to
> rust infestation - mostly just hits the developing fruits, but I do have
> one grafted selection (I've lost the IDs) that develops some ugly stem
> lesions that necessitate pruning out. Have not experienced rust on the
> serviceberries here, but some we planted at the elementary school my kids
> attended, about 2 miles away, get hit pretty hard most years.
>
> Plenty of J.virginiana around. Barring some blight that selectively took
> them out, cedar-something rust is always going to be a factor.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one tries
>> to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough keep me
>> exploring.
>>
>> I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
>> bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
>> purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
>> plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
>> discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
>>
>> I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
>> although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
>>
>> I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>>
>>> Betsy,
>>> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have
>>> noticed
>>> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
>>> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
>>> fruiting on cedars this year.
>>>
>>> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
>>> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
>>> as alternate hosts. See
>>>
>>> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>>>
>>> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
>>> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops)
>>> from
>>> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds
>>> in
>>> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>>>
>>> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
>>> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is
>>> still
>>> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
>>> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
>>> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>>>
>>> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
>>> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
>>> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
>>> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
>>> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
>>> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
>>> wet winters.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
>>> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
>>> to our farm 8 years ago.
>>>
>>> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
>>> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
>>> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
>>> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
>>> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those
>>> plants
>>> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
>>> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
>>> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
>>> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
>>> for ornamental reasons.
>>>
>>> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
>>> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
>>> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>>>
>>> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
>>> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
>>> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
>>> like the challenge.
>>>
>>> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so
>>> far
>>> this year.
>>> Richard Moyer
>>> SW VA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>>>
>>>> Betsy,
>>>>
>>>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>>>>
>>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a
>>> 10
>>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>>> out, too in a few years.
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>>>
>>>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>>>>
>>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the
>>> exfoliating
>>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anton
>>>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>>>>
>>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>>>>
>>>> leaves.
>>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>>>
>>>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>>>> every year is so bad....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>>> 7a Central NC
>>>>>
>>>> __________________
>>>
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the Chaenomeles was that 2 of three bushes were severely affected by
rust. I remember one variety - the name has escaped me, bore the
majority of edible fruit as most fruit was infected and inedible on the
two other varieties.
I have the same problem with serviceberries. Most years I get no edible
fruit.
We must have a bad location (humid valley) as I see Eastern Red cedars
everywhere around here. I do not think everyone in this area has these
severe rust issues.
Betsy Hilborn
7a NC
On 5/22/2016 8:27 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> I have seen rust on Chaenomeles - but not here at the house.
> Saw a particularly ugly infestation on a single pear tree, years ago when I
> was visiting the old Dr. Alexander Nunn orchard at Lochapoka AL... needless
> to say, I didn't bring any budwood from that one...
> I'm not certain which strains of the rust fungus I have here. Certainly
> cedar-apple, as I see the lesions on some apples (Gold Rush) and native
> crabs. Last couple of years, I've lost virtually my entire mayhaw crop to
> rust infestation - mostly just hits the developing fruits, but I do have
> one grafted selection (I've lost the IDs) that develops some ugly stem
> lesions that necessitate pruning out. Have not experienced rust on the
> serviceberries here, but some we planted at the elementary school my kids
> attended, about 2 miles away, get hit pretty hard most years.
>
> Plenty of J.virginiana around. Barring some blight that selectively took
> them out, cedar-something rust is always going to be a factor.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one tries
>> to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough keep me
>> exploring.
>>
>> I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
>> bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
>> purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
>> plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
>> discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
>>
>> I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
>> although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
>>
>> I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>>
>>> Betsy,
>>> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have
>>> noticed
>>> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
>>> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
>>> fruiting on cedars this year.
>>>
>>> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
>>> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
>>> as alternate hosts. See
>>>
>>> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>>>
>>> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
>>> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops)
>>> from
>>> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds
>>> in
>>> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>>>
>>> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
>>> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is
>>> still
>>> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
>>> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
>>> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>>>
>>> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
>>> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
>>> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
>>> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
>>> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
>>> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
>>> wet winters.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
>>> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
>>> to our farm 8 years ago.
>>>
>>> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
>>> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
>>> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
>>> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
>>> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those
>>> plants
>>> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
>>> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
>>> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
>>> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
>>> for ornamental reasons.
>>>
>>> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
>>> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
>>> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>>>
>>> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
>>> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
>>> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
>>> like the challenge.
>>>
>>> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so
>>> far
>>> this year.
>>> Richard Moyer
>>> SW VA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>>>
>>>> Betsy,
>>>>
>>>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>>>>
>>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a
>>> 10
>>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>>> out, too in a few years.
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>>>
>>>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>>>>
>>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the
>>> exfoliating
>>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anton
>>>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>>>>
>>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>>>>
>>>> leaves.
>>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>>>
>>>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>>>> every year is so bad....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>>> 7a Central NC
>>>>>
>>>> __________________
>>>
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options
I have seen rust on Chaenomeles - but not here at the house.
Saw a particularly ugly infestation on a single pear tree, years ago when I
was visiting the old Dr. Alexander Nunn orchard at Lochapoka AL... needless
to say, I didn't bring any budwood from that one...
I'm not certain which strains of the rust fungus I have here. Certainly
cedar-apple, as I see the lesions on some apples (Gold Rush) and native
crabs. Last couple of years, I've lost virtually my entire mayhaw crop to
rust infestation - mostly just hits the developing fruits, but I do have
one grafted selection (I've lost the IDs) that develops some ugly stem
lesions that necessitate pruning out. Have not experienced rust on the
serviceberries here, but some we planted at the elementary school my kids
attended, about 2 miles away, get hit pretty hard most years.
Plenty of J.virginiana around. Barring some blight that selectively took
them out, cedar-something rust is always going to be a factor.
Lucky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one tries
> to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough keep me
> exploring.
>
> I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
> bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
> purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
> plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
> discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
>
> I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
> although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
>
> I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>
>> Betsy,
>> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have
>> noticed
>> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
>> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
>> fruiting on cedars this year.
>>
>> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
>> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
>> as alternate hosts. See
>>
>> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>>
>> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
>> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops)
>> from
>> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds
>> in
>> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>>
>> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
>> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is
>> still
>> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
>> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
>> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>>
>> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
>> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
>> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
>> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
>> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
>> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
>> wet winters.
>>
>> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
>> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
>> to our farm 8 years ago.
>>
>> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
>> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
>> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
>> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
>> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those
>> plants
>> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
>> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
>> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
>> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
>> for ornamental reasons.
>>
>> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
>> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
>> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>>
>> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
>> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
>> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
>> like the challenge.
>>
>> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so
>> far
>> this year.
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>>
>>> Betsy,
>>>
>>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>>>
>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a
>> 10
>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>> out, too in a few years.
>>
>>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>>
>>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>>>
>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the
>> exfoliating
>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Anton
>>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>>>
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>>
>>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>>>
>>> leaves.
>>
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>>
>>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>>
>>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>>
>>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>>
>>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>>> every year is so bad....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>> 7a Central NC
>>>>
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Saw a particularly ugly infestation on a single pear tree, years ago when I
was visiting the old Dr. Alexander Nunn orchard at Lochapoka AL... needless
to say, I didn't bring any budwood from that one...
I'm not certain which strains of the rust fungus I have here. Certainly
cedar-apple, as I see the lesions on some apples (Gold Rush) and native
crabs. Last couple of years, I've lost virtually my entire mayhaw crop to
rust infestation - mostly just hits the developing fruits, but I do have
one grafted selection (I've lost the IDs) that develops some ugly stem
lesions that necessitate pruning out. Have not experienced rust on the
serviceberries here, but some we planted at the elementary school my kids
attended, about 2 miles away, get hit pretty hard most years.
Plenty of J.virginiana around. Barring some blight that selectively took
them out, cedar-something rust is always going to be a factor.
Lucky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one tries
> to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough keep me
> exploring.
>
> I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
> bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
> purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
> plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
> discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
>
> I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
> although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
>
> I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>
>> Betsy,
>> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have
>> noticed
>> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
>> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
>> fruiting on cedars this year.
>>
>> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
>> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
>> as alternate hosts. See
>>
>> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>>
>> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
>> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops)
>> from
>> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds
>> in
>> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>>
>> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
>> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is
>> still
>> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
>> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
>> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>>
>> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
>> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
>> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
>> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
>> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
>> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
>> wet winters.
>>
>> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
>> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
>> to our farm 8 years ago.
>>
>> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
>> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
>> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
>> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
>> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those
>> plants
>> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
>> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
>> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
>> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
>> for ornamental reasons.
>>
>> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
>> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
>> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>>
>> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
>> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
>> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
>> like the challenge.
>>
>> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so
>> far
>> this year.
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>>
>>> Betsy,
>>>
>>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>>>
>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a
>> 10
>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>> out, too in a few years.
>>
>>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>>
>>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>>>
>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the
>> exfoliating
>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Anton
>>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>>>
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>>
>>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>>>
>>> leaves.
>>
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>>
>>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>>
>>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>>
>>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>>
>>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>>> every year is so bad....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>> 7a Central NC
>>>>
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options
I'll second Richard Moyer's recommendation for Chaenomeles. I grew up
eating them out of hand (yeah, I'm THAT tough! lol) with just a liberal
sprinkiling of salt.
But, I've also split them, removed the seeds, and baked them, just like
C.oblonga - and they're good. I have no doubt that they'd also make a good
'quince' jelly or marmalade.
But, they may not be well-received by all.
My grandmother had a particularly productive little 'Japanese quince'
(C.japonica, I'm sure) shrub in one of the flower beds in front of her
house, and at the converted army barracks next door where my aunts/uncles
all started housekeeping early in their marriages, and later, male cousins
lived while attending college at Auburn.
Wish I'd gotten a 'start' of it, but I didn't, and it's now gone.
Have started collecting a few Chaenomeles in the last few years, just
'cause I like them. Toyo Nishiki, on the strength of recommendations of
Richard and my friend Donna Hudson, Have been seeing several selections
offered at the big box stores recently... as ornamentals, but don't
underestimate their potential as a fruit producer as well. Have noticed
that the grounds' folks on campus at Murray St. U. have made extensive use
of Chaenomeles in flower beds in common areas around the campus - several
different color blooms - ranging from white to yellow to peach to the more
typical red & orange. If I'm there at the right time, I can usually fill
my pockets with mostly perfect fruits - that I'm certain virtually no
students or faculty members would ever consider eating.
Hmm. I bought a couple of seedling Chaenomeles selections from Ken Asmus,
at OIKOS Tree Crops a couple of years ago... but for the life of me, I
don't know what I did with them.
I'd be willing to give Pseudocydonia another try... not sure that there are
any named selections. It is a handsome plant with multiple season
landscape interest... and photos I've seen of the fruits look like they're
larger than the typical oblonga fruits.
Lucky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Betsy,
> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
> fruiting on cedars this year.
>
> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
> as alternate hosts. See
>
> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>
> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>
> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>
> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
> wet winters.
>
> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
> to our farm 8 years ago.
>
> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
> for ornamental reasons.
>
> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>
> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
> like the challenge.
>
> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
> this year.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> > Betsy,
> >
> > I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
> out, too in a few years.
> >
> > Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
> >
> > Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anton
> > Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> >> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
> >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
> >>
> >> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
> >> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
> >> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
> >> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
> >> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
> leaves.
> >>
> >> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> > >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
> >> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
> >> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
> >>
> >> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
> >>
> >> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
> >> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
> >> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
> >> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
> >> every year is so bad....
> >>
> >>
> >> Betsy Hilborn
> >> 7a Central NC
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eating them out of hand (yeah, I'm THAT tough! lol) with just a liberal
sprinkiling of salt.
But, I've also split them, removed the seeds, and baked them, just like
C.oblonga - and they're good. I have no doubt that they'd also make a good
'quince' jelly or marmalade.
But, they may not be well-received by all.
My grandmother had a particularly productive little 'Japanese quince'
(C.japonica, I'm sure) shrub in one of the flower beds in front of her
house, and at the converted army barracks next door where my aunts/uncles
all started housekeeping early in their marriages, and later, male cousins
lived while attending college at Auburn.
Wish I'd gotten a 'start' of it, but I didn't, and it's now gone.
Have started collecting a few Chaenomeles in the last few years, just
'cause I like them. Toyo Nishiki, on the strength of recommendations of
Richard and my friend Donna Hudson, Have been seeing several selections
offered at the big box stores recently... as ornamentals, but don't
underestimate their potential as a fruit producer as well. Have noticed
that the grounds' folks on campus at Murray St. U. have made extensive use
of Chaenomeles in flower beds in common areas around the campus - several
different color blooms - ranging from white to yellow to peach to the more
typical red & orange. If I'm there at the right time, I can usually fill
my pockets with mostly perfect fruits - that I'm certain virtually no
students or faculty members would ever consider eating.
Hmm. I bought a couple of seedling Chaenomeles selections from Ken Asmus,
at OIKOS Tree Crops a couple of years ago... but for the life of me, I
don't know what I did with them.
I'd be willing to give Pseudocydonia another try... not sure that there are
any named selections. It is a handsome plant with multiple season
landscape interest... and photos I've seen of the fruits look like they're
larger than the typical oblonga fruits.
Lucky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Betsy,
> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
> fruiting on cedars this year.
>
> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
> as alternate hosts. See
>
> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>
> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>
> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>
> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
> wet winters.
>
> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
> to our farm 8 years ago.
>
> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
> for ornamental reasons.
>
> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>
> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
> like the challenge.
>
> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
> this year.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> > Betsy,
> >
> > I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
> out, too in a few years.
> >
> > Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
> >
> > Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anton
> > Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> >> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
> >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
> >>
> >> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
> >> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
> >> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
> >> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
> >> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
> leaves.
> >>
> >> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> > >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
> >> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
> >> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
> >>
> >> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
> >>
> >> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
> >> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
> >> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
> >> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
> >> every year is so bad....
> >>
> >>
> >> Betsy Hilborn
> >> 7a Central NC
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options
Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one
tries to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough
keep me exploring.
I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
Betsy
On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> Betsy,
> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
> fruiting on cedars this year.
>
> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
> as alternate hosts. See
> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>
> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>
> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>
> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
> wet winters.
>
> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
> to our farm 8 years ago.
>
> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
> for ornamental reasons.
>
> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>
> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
> like the challenge.
>
> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
> this year.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>> Betsy,
>>
>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
> out, too in a few years.
>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>
>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anton
>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>
>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
> leaves.
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>
>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>> every year is so bad....
>>>
>>>
>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>> 7a Central NC
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tries to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough
keep me exploring.
I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
Betsy
On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> Betsy,
> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
> fruiting on cedars this year.
>
> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
> as alternate hosts. See
> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>
> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>
> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>
> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
> wet winters.
>
> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
> to our farm 8 years ago.
>
> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
> for ornamental reasons.
>
> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>
> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
> like the challenge.
>
> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
> this year.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
>
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>> Betsy,
>>
>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
> out, too in a few years.
>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>
>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anton
>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>
>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
> leaves.
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>
>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>> every year is so bad....
>>>
>>>
>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>> 7a Central NC
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options
Betsy,
After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
fruiting on cedars this year.
Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
as alternate hosts. See
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
Note the culinary uses listed therein:
https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
wet winters.
For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
to our farm 8 years ago.
But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
for ornamental reasons.
Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
fruits that don't work here (so far).
I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
like the challenge.
Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
this year.
Richard Moyer
SW VA
On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
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After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
fruiting on cedars this year.
Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
as alternate hosts. See
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is still
going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
Note the culinary uses listed therein:
https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
wet winters.
For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
to our farm 8 years ago.
But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
for ornamental reasons.
Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
fruits that don't work here (so far).
I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
like the challenge.
Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
this year.
Richard Moyer
SW VA
On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
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Re: [nafex] speaking of quinces
Jay,
You said it..........dry, windy, winters. That is my biggest problem here in zone 3. I do Rubus experiments and have to cover some of them with snow to keep the stems succulent.
Jim Fruth
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Cutts
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 11:20 AM
To: Anton Callaway ; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: [nafex] speaking of quinces
I have a quince tree here at 7000 feet elevation in NM. It's at least 15
years old.
It has never flowered. Anyone have any ideas why? Could it be that the
cold kills the flower buds? We're not that frigid here (maybe zone 4)
but the winters are dry, sunny and windy.
Is there any other possible reason? Is there some way I could check to
see if it has even formed flower buds in the fall?
Regards,
Jay
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On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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You said it..........dry, windy, winters. That is my biggest problem here in zone 3. I do Rubus experiments and have to cover some of them with snow to keep the stems succulent.
Jim Fruth
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Cutts
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 11:20 AM
To: Anton Callaway ; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: [nafex] speaking of quinces
I have a quince tree here at 7000 feet elevation in NM. It's at least 15
years old.
It has never flowered. Anyone have any ideas why? Could it be that the
cold kills the flower buds? We're not that frigid here (maybe zone 4)
but the winters are dry, sunny and windy.
Is there any other possible reason? Is there some way I could check to
see if it has even formed flower buds in the fall?
Regards,
Jay
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Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
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On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince
On 5/21/2016 3:05 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:
>
> Do you have contact information for Lester?
Betsy,
Lester Davis's email address is: lhdavis8@knology.net
Jerry lehman
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> Do you have contact information for Lester?
Betsy,
Lester Davis's email address is: lhdavis8@knology.net
Jerry lehman
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Re: [nafex] speaking of quinces
I can't answer your question, but speaking of quinces, can any of you steer me toward a wholesale source for quinces or Chinese quinces?
--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4
http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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On Sat, 5/21/16, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
Subject: [nafex] speaking of quinces
To: "Anton Callaway" <marillen@earthlink.net>, "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Saturday, May 21, 2016, 11:20 AM
I have a quince tree here
at 7000 feet elevation in NM. It's at least 15
years old.
It
has never flowered. Anyone have any ideas why? Could it be
that the
cold kills the flower buds?
We're not that frigid here (maybe zone 4)
but the winters are dry, sunny and windy.
Is there any other possible
reason? Is there some way I could check to
see if it has even formed flower buds in the
fall?
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On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton
Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing
quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red
cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an
exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My
last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's
Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to
rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The
only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it
will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad
news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a
few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the
fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so
severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful
fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my
grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite
ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
>> From:
Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio -
Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young
quince
>>
>> I
have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have
severe fire
>> blight here. However, a
site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a
tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early
spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It
was
>> vigorous and put out at least
10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although
it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is
brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>
least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with
future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole
has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I
have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does
anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree
destined
>> to die a long, protracted
death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the
quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year,
my apples are suffering too - not
>>
every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy
Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
tfb,
I have had that happen a lot of times. I try not to collect scionwood that
have fruit buds on them but if it does it will bloom and then produce the
vegetative growth. It just takes energy to do that but as soon as the
flowers or fruit forms you can pinch or cut it off. Just be careful that
you don't pull hard enough and pull the bud off or damage it. The Jonagold
apple is notorious for that.
Bob
Western Washington
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From: fuwa fuwa usagi
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:59 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
Gang,
So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds
on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I
out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned
about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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I have had that happen a lot of times. I try not to collect scionwood that
have fruit buds on them but if it does it will bloom and then produce the
vegetative growth. It just takes energy to do that but as soon as the
flowers or fruit forms you can pinch or cut it off. Just be careful that
you don't pull hard enough and pull the bud off or damage it. The Jonagold
apple is notorious for that.
Bob
Western Washington
-----Original Message-----
From: fuwa fuwa usagi
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:59 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [nafex] uh....my grafts...
Gang,
So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds
on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I
out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned
about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince
Would that have been 'Chinese quince', Pseudocydonia sinensis?
I had two that I'd grown from seed... were about 8 ft tall... and had
blossomed once or twice, but set no fruit. Polar vortex of winter 2014-15
killed them back to the snowline(6" above ground). I cut them off at
ground level hoping that they would resprout, but alas, they did not.
It'a a neat tree. Exfoliating bark, like some of the crepe myrtles, lovely
flowers, great red-orange fall color... and big quince-like fruits.
LUcky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Anton,
>
> I had always focused on fireblight as the problem, not knowing that
> quinces also are severely impacted by rust.
>
> Do you have contact information for Lester?
>
> Best wishes,
> Betsy
>
> On 5/21/2016 11:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>
>> Betsy,
>>
>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>> out, too in a few years.
>>
>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>
>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anton
>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>
>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>> leaves.
>>>
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>
>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>
>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>
>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>> every year is so bad....
>>>
>>>
>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>> 7a Central NC
>>>
>>>
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I had two that I'd grown from seed... were about 8 ft tall... and had
blossomed once or twice, but set no fruit. Polar vortex of winter 2014-15
killed them back to the snowline(6" above ground). I cut them off at
ground level hoping that they would resprout, but alas, they did not.
It'a a neat tree. Exfoliating bark, like some of the crepe myrtles, lovely
flowers, great red-orange fall color... and big quince-like fruits.
LUcky
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Anton,
>
> I had always focused on fireblight as the problem, not knowing that
> quinces also are severely impacted by rust.
>
> Do you have contact information for Lester?
>
> Best wishes,
> Betsy
>
> On 5/21/2016 11:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>
>> Betsy,
>>
>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>> out, too in a few years.
>>
>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>
>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anton
>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>
>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>> leaves.
>>>
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>
>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>
>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>
>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>> every year is so bad....
>>>
>>>
>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>> 7a Central NC
>>>
>>>
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince
Thanks Anton,
I had always focused on fireblight as the problem, not knowing that
quinces also are severely impacted by rust.
Do you have contact information for Lester?
Best wishes,
Betsy
On 5/21/2016 11:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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I had always focused on fireblight as the problem, not knowing that
quinces also are severely impacted by rust.
Do you have contact information for Lester?
Best wishes,
Betsy
On 5/21/2016 11:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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[nafex] uh....my grafts...
Gang,
So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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So I have a new one. For whatever reason, this year, a number of the buds on my grafts produced flowers. Since I did a lot of single bud grafting am I out of luck or can they produce vegetative growth? remmeber I am concerned about the single bud ones.
Sign me a rather puzzled rabbit.
tfb
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[nafex] speaking of quinces
I have a quince tree here at 7000 feet elevation in NM. It's at least 15
years old.
It has never flowered. Anyone have any ideas why? Could it be that the
cold kills the flower buds? We're not that frigid here (maybe zone 4)
but the winters are dry, sunny and windy.
Is there any other possible reason? Is there some way I could check to
see if it has even formed flower buds in the fall?
Regards,
Jay
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On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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years old.
It has never flowered. Anyone have any ideas why? Could it be that the
cold kills the flower buds? We're not that frigid here (maybe zone 4)
but the winters are dry, sunny and windy.
Is there any other possible reason? Is there some way I could check to
see if it has even formed flower buds in the fall?
Regards,
Jay
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On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
> Betsy,
>
> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
>
> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>
> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>
>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>>
>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>
>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>
>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>> every year is so bad....
>>
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a Central NC
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
I lost all the apricots, but mostly the late frost just decreased the amount of thinning I needed to do on the apples, pears, peaches, etc. I guess we got lucky or the site is a good one.
Anton
Zone 8-ish
RTP, NC
-----Original Message-----
>From: "V. Michael Bove, Jr." <vmb@teakettlefarm.com>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2016 11:08 AM
>To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
>The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan), apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally, but no idea yet about fruit set.
>
>Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
>
>Michael Bove
>Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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Anton
Zone 8-ish
RTP, NC
-----Original Message-----
>From: "V. Michael Bove, Jr." <vmb@teakettlefarm.com>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2016 11:08 AM
>To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: [nafex] no peaches this year :-(
>
>The seventies-then-below-zero weather we had in late winter here killed the flower buds on all six varieties of our peaches. Plums (myrobalan), apricots, apples, and pears all seem to be flowering more or less normally, but no idea yet about fruit set.
>
>Anyone else on the list get clobbered? We also lost the flower buds on our magnolia tree and forsythia bushes.
>
>Michael Bove
>Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
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Re: [nafex] My poor young quince
Betsy,
I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
Best regards,
Anton
Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>
>I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>
>Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>
>I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>
>So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>every year is so bad....
>
>
>Betsy Hilborn
>7a Central NC
>
>
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I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10 mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince, which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked out, too in a few years.
Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
Best regards,
Anton
Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>
>I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy leaves.
>
>Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>
>I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>
>So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>every year is so bad....
>
>
>Betsy Hilborn
>7a Central NC
>
>
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