Thank you Lucky!
My tree is less vertical, more spreading. than the Kieffer I bought a
few years ago from Century Farms. My first is severely infected with
blight but thrives. I generally live in a blight box (river valley) so
there is no escaping exposure here.
That second Kieffer tree has not borne yet, but is extremely vertical
and free of blight (different site though). The pears on my first tree
are big, look correct compared to photos of Kieffer I have seen. The
fruit is sweet, juicy, sandy, best cooked or dried. A neighbor has an
old Sand Pear (no idea of the origin) but it has a better fresh taste,
less sand, juicer and the fruit is smaller.
As you suggest, maybe most sand pears get labelled with Kieffer.
Elizabeth
On 1/11/2021 2:23 PM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Betsy,
> There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
> few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
> seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...
>
> There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
> presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
> with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
> Dabney, Mooers, etc.
>
> Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
> https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
>> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
>> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>>
>> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
>> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
>> November.
>>
>> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
>> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>>
>> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
>> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
>> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any insight on this.
>>
>> Elizabeth Hilborn
>>
>> Zone 7a, central NC
>>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?
Betsy,
There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...
There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
Dabney, Mooers, etc.
Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...
There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
Dabney, Mooers, etc.
Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?
Betsy,
While mislabeling can happen even at the best of nurseries, and it's worse
at places like TyTY - I've gotten more than one tree from a reputable
source that turned out not to be 'as labeled' - I would suspect that you
probably got the real deal from Starks.
If you'd been buying a 'Bartlett' at Lowe's, for instance, I wouldn't at
all be surprised - if it lived -10 years down the road, to find out that it
turned out to be Kieffer. lol.
Did the fruit match up with photos and descriptions of what Kieffer fruit
should be like?
No fruit here this year, and my own Keiffer trees are not yet bearing here,
so I can't attest to harvest period... but almost nothing here is later
than early September... and if it is, the European hornets eat it before
any chance of it ripening on the tree.
Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville, KY
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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While mislabeling can happen even at the best of nurseries, and it's worse
at places like TyTY - I've gotten more than one tree from a reputable
source that turned out not to be 'as labeled' - I would suspect that you
probably got the real deal from Starks.
If you'd been buying a 'Bartlett' at Lowe's, for instance, I wouldn't at
all be surprised - if it lived -10 years down the road, to find out that it
turned out to be Kieffer. lol.
Did the fruit match up with photos and descriptions of what Kieffer fruit
should be like?
No fruit here this year, and my own Keiffer trees are not yet bearing here,
so I can't attest to harvest period... but almost nothing here is later
than early September... and if it is, the European hornets eat it before
any chance of it ripening on the tree.
Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville, KY
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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Sunday, January 10, 2021
[nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?
Hi folks,
My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
November.
In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
Thanks for any insight on this.
Elizabeth Hilborn
Zone 7a, central NC
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