Re: [nafex] Lawrence and fluffy continue to test things 02

On 3/31/2015 11:26 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:

This is the message body of my message 02...

How should emails be forwarded?
Attachments Inline

Set it to Inline

I think that will do the trick

Which text editor should be used when composing a new message?
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set it to Plain Text Editor

That should help too. You can try switching between plain text and rich
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Re: [nafex] Lawrence and fluffy continue to test things 02

On 3/31/2015 11:26 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
> This is the message body of my message 02...
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> How should emails be forwarded?
> Attachments Inline
>
> Set it to Inline
I think that will do the trick
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> Which text editor should be used when composing a new message?
> Rich Text Editor Plain Text Editor
>
> set it to Plain Text Editor
That should help too. You can try switching between plain text and rich
text for editor to see which does what you need to do
and which consistently creates valid posts sent to subscribers of the list.

Maybe we have nailed it.

Hope so.

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[nafex] another test post with images

another test post with images

checking the performance of two alternative list config settings; the other
post was one and this is the other;
must be done. Also what gets included in the list archives seems to be in
part determined by a different set of rules.
Anyway it will get sorted out asap.

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[nafex] Lawrence and fluffy continue to test things 02

This is the message body of my message 02...

How should emails be forwarded?
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Set it to Inline

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Re: [nafex] Lawrence and fluffy continue to test things 01

Empty msg.
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[nafex] Lawrence and fluffy continue to test things 01

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[nafex] thank you -the test worked

Many thanks to Lawrence who resolved my message posting problems.

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Re: [nafex] a cool test messaage

That's what I see also.


In a message dated 3/31/2015 7:24:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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See what?

All I see is the text quoted below.


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> This is in the message body. Hopefully we can all see it.
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Re: [nafex] a cool test messaage

See what?

All I see is the text quoted below.


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[nafex] a cool test messaage

This is in the message body.  Hopefully we can all see it.

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Re: [nafex] Question about pruning pomes for fruit production

Thanks Lee,
All of my apples are on dwarfing stock but one, maybe that is why I have
enjoyed some success with the method.
Betsy

On 3/30/2015 2:05 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> My experience in WI, MD, and NY is that the Lorette method does not work reliably. I either got dead stubs or vigorous regrowth, rarely spurs. Horizontal training does work. Lorette pruning was developed in northern Europe, which has, or had, a much more equable and consistent temperatures and rainfall than most of continental U.S. as well as quite different photoperiod. (New York City, for instance, is about the same latitude as Madrid.
>
> All this depends, to a large extent, on the tree. Dwarf rootstocks increase the likelihood of spurs developing with any treatment, as do certain varieties. Asian pears are especially prone to making fruit spurs. Put a precocious variety on one of those dwarfing rootstocks and the plants can't help but make spurs.
>
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>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have a specific question about training and pruning pomes for fruit production.
>>
>> I recently attended a pruning workshop where the instructor told us that the way to achieve maximum fruit production was to train laterals to the horizontal.
>>
>> However, I have been practicing the Lorette method described by Louis Lorette and published in English in the early 1920s in this country. I have been able to produce fruiting spurs on my laterals by this method, but it is just my observation that the technique may be preferred, I have no real 'control' trees with horizontal training alone, so do not know relative success rates.
>>
>> Here is a description of Lorette method from : http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-312.html
>>
>> /"Typically, summer pruning is a selective training procedure aimed at weakening vegetative growth while promoting flower initiation. It consists of cutting current season's shoots back to three to five mature leaves after they have grown about a foot, and about the diameter of a pencil, and have started to become woody at the base. Flowering spurs often develop at pruning cut sites as a result of weakening the vegetative growth, but flowering is also increased throughout the tree because of better light penetration./
>>
>> /An alternative procedure, developed in France by L. Lorette about 55 years ago, is to cut the shoot about 1/4-inch to 1/2-inch above its base, leaving a short stub. This ensures regrowth will come from the less well developed buds near the shoot base. Growth from these buds is weaker and more readily transformed into fruiting wood. The Lorette method is preferable to leaving longer stubs, which not only produce more regrowth, but are usually stiffened in an upright position as a result of the pruning/."
>>
>> Does anyone know if horizontal training alone, the Lorette approach alone, or a combination of methods produce the most fruit?
>>
>> Thank you for any information you can provide.
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>>
>> 7a, NC
>>
>>

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Re: [nafex] Question about pruning pomes for fruit production

My experience in WI, MD, and NY is that the Lorette method does not work reliably. I either got dead stubs or vigorous regrowth, rarely spurs. Horizontal training does work. Lorette pruning was developed in northern Europe, which has, or had, a much more equable and consistent temperatures and rainfall than most of continental U.S. as well as quite different photoperiod. (New York City, for instance, is about the same latitude as Madrid.

All this depends, to a large extent, on the tree. Dwarf rootstocks increase the likelihood of spurs developing with any treatment, as do certain varieties. Asian pears are especially prone to making fruit spurs. Put a precocious variety on one of those dwarfing rootstocks and the plants can't help but make spurs.

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> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have a specific question about training and pruning pomes for fruit production.
>
> I recently attended a pruning workshop where the instructor told us that the way to achieve maximum fruit production was to train laterals to the horizontal.
>
> However, I have been practicing the Lorette method described by Louis Lorette and published in English in the early 1920s in this country. I have been able to produce fruiting spurs on my laterals by this method, but it is just my observation that the technique may be preferred, I have no real 'control' trees with horizontal training alone, so do not know relative success rates.
>
> Here is a description of Lorette method from : http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-312.html
>
> /"Typically, summer pruning is a selective training procedure aimed at weakening vegetative growth while promoting flower initiation. It consists of cutting current season's shoots back to three to five mature leaves after they have grown about a foot, and about the diameter of a pencil, and have started to become woody at the base. Flowering spurs often develop at pruning cut sites as a result of weakening the vegetative growth, but flowering is also increased throughout the tree because of better light penetration./
>
> /An alternative procedure, developed in France by L. Lorette about 55 years ago, is to cut the shoot about 1/4-inch to 1/2-inch above its base, leaving a short stub. This ensures regrowth will come from the less well developed buds near the shoot base. Growth from these buds is weaker and more readily transformed into fruiting wood. The Lorette method is preferable to leaving longer stubs, which not only produce more regrowth, but are usually stiffened in an upright position as a result of the pruning/."
>
> Does anyone know if horizontal training alone, the Lorette approach alone, or a combination of methods produce the most fruit?
>
> Thank you for any information you can provide.
>
> Betsy Hilborn
>
> 7a, NC
>
>
>
>
>
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[nafex] Question about pruning pomes for fruit production

Hi folks,

I have a specific question about training and pruning pomes for fruit
production.

I recently attended a pruning workshop where the instructor told us
that the way to achieve maximum fruit production was to train laterals
to the horizontal.

However, I have been practicing the Lorette method described by Louis
Lorette and published in English in the early 1920s in this country. I
have been able to produce fruiting spurs on my laterals by this method,
but it is just my observation that the technique may be preferred, I
have no real 'control' trees with horizontal training alone, so do not
know relative success rates.

Here is a description of Lorette method from :
http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-312.html

/"Typically, summer pruning is a selective training procedure aimed at
weakening vegetative growth while promoting flower initiation. It
consists of cutting current season's shoots back to three to five mature
leaves after they have grown about a foot, and about the diameter of a
pencil, and have started to become woody at the base. Flowering spurs
often develop at pruning cut sites as a result of weakening the
vegetative growth, but flowering is also increased throughout the tree
because of better light penetration./

/An alternative procedure, developed in France by L. Lorette about 55
years ago, is to cut the shoot about 1/4-inch to 1/2-inch above its
base, leaving a short stub. This ensures regrowth will come from the
less well developed buds near the shoot base. Growth from these buds is
weaker and more readily transformed into fruiting wood. The Lorette
method is preferable to leaving longer stubs, which not only produce
more regrowth, but are usually stiffened in an upright position as a
result of the pruning/."

Does anyone know if horizontal training alone, the Lorette approach
alone, or a combination of methods produce the most fruit?

Thank you for any information you can provide.

Betsy Hilborn

7a, NC






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Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Betsy,
ALL my 90-C persimmons bear partially to fully seeded fruit. I do not have
a 'male' cultivar in the orchard.
I don't know for certain what ploidy the local natives are...but
historically, the Ohio River has been considered to be the dividing line
between 90-C and 60-C races - and I'm easily 100 miles south of the Ohio.

I do have Early Golden, Garretson, and some of that family in the orchard,
and they are noted for throwing out male branches...so that could be a
possibility.
Think Saijo is the sole surviving kaki here; there may be a Hana Fuyu stuck
somewhere in a nursery row - and it would probably be big enough to be
flowering...if it can do so in the shade of the oaks/walnuts/pecans growing
in close proximity to it in adjoining rows.

Lucky

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Steven Covacci <filtertitle@gmail.com>
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> sometimes persimmon trees sport male branches on female trees;
> self-pollination seems to be the MOST PROBABLE case here.. not cross
> pollination.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,
> >
> > I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally
> > though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the
> > first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I
> > will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.
> >
> > I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about
> > it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all
> > been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not
> > appear viable.
> >
> > Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.
> >
> > Betsy Hilborn
> >
> >
> > On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
> >
> >> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a
> >> Kaki that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male
> blooms
> >> almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
> >> that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it
> >> closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two.
> If
> >> so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
> >> possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the
> Yates
> >> seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
> >> Lester H. Davis
> >> Columbus, GA
> >>
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> >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
> >> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
> >> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
> >> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
> >> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
> >> I have planted in my orchard as well.
> >>
> >> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
> >> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
> >> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
> >> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
> >> presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
> >> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
> >> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
> >> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
> >>
> >> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
> >> properties within at least 1 mile...
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Betsy Hilborn
> >> 7a central NC
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

OK, thanks. I will look for male flowers on my Yates too. It has only
been bearing for 4 years, so it is still small enough to examine.

Betsy

On 3/29/2015 10:19 AM, Steven Covacci wrote:
> sometimes persimmon trees sport male branches on female trees;
> self-pollination seems to be the MOST PROBABLE case here.. not cross
> pollination.
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Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

sometimes persimmon trees sport male branches on female trees;
self-pollination seems to be the MOST PROBABLE case here.. not cross
pollination.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,
>
> I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally
> though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the
> first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I
> will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.
>
> I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about
> it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all
> been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not
> appear viable.
>
> Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.
>
> Betsy Hilborn
>
>
> On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
>
>> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a
>> Kaki that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male blooms
>> almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
>> that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it
>> closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two. If
>> so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
>> possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the Yates
>> seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
>> Lester H. Davis
>> Columbus, GA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
>> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
>> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
>> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
>> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
>> I have planted in my orchard as well.
>>
>> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
>> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
>> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
>> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
>> presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
>> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
>> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
>> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
>>
>> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
>> properties within at least 1 mile...
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a central NC
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,

I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally
though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the
first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I
will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.

I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about
it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all
been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not
appear viable.

Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.

Betsy Hilborn

On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a Kaki that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male blooms almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
> that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two. If so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
> possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the Yates seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
>
> Lester H. Davis
> Columbus, GA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
> I have planted in my orchard as well.
>
> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
> presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
>
> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
> properties within at least 1 mile...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Betsy Hilborn
> 7a central NC
>
>

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Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Does any of your Kakis have seeds also?   If so I would think you have a Kaki that has male blooms as well as female.  Hanafuyu  throws male blooms almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki  varieties
that will rarely have male blooms.   If you have Hanafuyu watch it closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two.   If so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates   there is a good
possibility they are crossing.   I would certainly like some of the Yates seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition. 
 
Lester H. Davis
Columbus, GA

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Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Hi folks,

I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
I have planted in my orchard as well.

For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?

I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
properties within at least 1 mile...

Any thoughts?

Betsy Hilborn
7a central NC

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[nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Hi folks,

I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
I have planted in my orchard as well.

For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?

I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
properties within at least 1 mile...

Any thoughts?

Betsy Hilborn
7a central NC

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[nafex] Fwd: [midfex] fruit hunters

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [midfex] fruit hunters
To: Vanessa Smith <vanessa.mt.smith@gmail.com>




On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Vanessa Smith <vanessa.mt.smith@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you all seen this?
>
> http://www.eyesteelfilm.com/fruithunters
>
> can anyone relate to this - "before long it became an obsession, and I was
> no longer a normal person"
>

Thanks for posting this. There are people, athletes and marathoners
included, who are dedicated, serious fruitarians
though raw vegetables are also eaten with fruit. They eat huge quantities
of them to get the calories they need.
With disbelief I witnessed a fruitarian/vegan friend prepare and eat one of
his meals.

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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

1) Thinking about the wave of human expansion in the Americas (and elsewhere). I wonder what other large temperate fruits may have been wiped out by humans after they exploded onto the scene. There should be a list somewhere, but a brief search of the internet didn't find it?
2) I wonder to what extent there's been positive selection even for wild apples shaped by human tastes -- I believe Indians rapidly took over as distributors of pawpaw seeds after coming to the Americas, and were responsible for a huge expansion in the territory of the American lotus.
3) For that matter, what about current negative selection pressures? The seeds of particularly large and good tasting wild raspberries in the proximity of humans are going to disproportionately wind up in the sewage system instead of being, well, pooped out in more congenial locations as they might have been in the past. 

On Monday, March 16, 2015 10:56 AM, Claude Jolicoeur <cjoli@gmc.ulaval.ca> wrote:

Actually, what is said there about tropical fruit
would also hold true for apples. The fruit of the
wild apple trees in Kazakhstan don't have much to
envy as far as sugar is concerned to the grocery
store fruit. The only thing is in the wild there
is a lot more variability in size, bitterness, astringency, sugar, and so on.

And in fact, it has been shown that selection of
apple trees on sugar content and flavor dates
from way before manking as bears and other large
mammals have been doing it by eating the best
tasting fruits and dissiminating their seeds...

Claude Jolicoeur

Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook
http://www.cjoliprsf.ca/
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Le 07:05 2015.03.15, vous avez écrit:
>  See
>  <http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit>
>
>  Doug Woodard
>  St. Catharines, Ontario
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Re: [nafex] less scionwood available

It showed up, twice over, in my mailbox this morning; with the header line but no content.

I would guess that the same thing happened to Kathy.


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On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:13 PM, tanis grif via nafex wrote:

> That post was Jan 29. I could re-send you the post, but scionwood collection season has ended here, and I might not have enough extra for you.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:49 AM, "Brady, Kathy" wrote:
>
> Is there a list of what is available? Maybe I'm just not seeing it.







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[nafex] less scionwood available

That post was Jan 29. I could re-send you the post, but scionwood collection season has ended here, and I might not have enough extra for you.




On Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:49 AM, "Brady, Kathy" wrote:

Is there a list of what is available? Maybe I'm just not seeing it.

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Re: [nafex] scion wood available

Is there a list of what is available? Maybe I'm just not seeing it.

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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

Actually, what is said there about tropical fruit
would also hold true for apples. The fruit of the
wild apple trees in Kazakhstan don't have much to
envy as far as sugar is concerned to the grocery
store fruit. The only thing is in the wild there
is a lot more variability in size, bitterness, astringency, sugar, and so on.

And in fact, it has been shown that selection of
apple trees on sugar content and flavor dates
from way before manking as bears and other large
mammals have been doing it by eating the best
tasting fruits and dissiminating their seeds...

Claude Jolicoeur

Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook
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http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_new_cider_makers_handbook/


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> <http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit>
>
> Doug Woodard
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

It is very definitely interesting reading. I think many people drastically underestimate the capabilities of both plants and other animals: there is a very great deal they can accomplish without human assistance.

(Also, there would hardly have been only one "paleolithic diet". Humans living on seacoasts would have eaten a lot of seafood; those living very far north would have eaten a lot of meat; those living in tropical conditions would have eaten a lot of fruit; etc.)


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale




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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

Thank you for bumping this back up to the top of my inbox - I am only just
reading it now :)


Pete Chrisbacher
Wilmington, DE

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Lori Rizzo <rizzolori1@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is really interesting. Wish I didn't live so far up north!
>
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

This is really interesting. Wish I didn't live so far up north!

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:

> Very interesting. Thank you
> Naomi
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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

Very interesting. Thank you
Naomi

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See
<http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit>

Doug Woodard
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[nafex] [ARTICLE] Interesting tropical fruits and their contents

See
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Doug Woodard
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