Very useful article, Thanks!
On 10/30/2015 4:08 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> Maybe the more relevant comparison would be to other winter storage pears. A bit of googling unearths things like the Passe Crassane, which apparently is succeptible to fireblight, so Wintersweet is an improvement in that regard at least. A bit about storage pears here:
> https://www.frenchgardening.com/tech.html?pid=1139483932219159
>
> Melissa
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Re: [nafex] Wintersweet Pear
Maybe the more relevant comparison would be to other winter storage pears. A bit of googling unearths things like the Passe Crassane, which apparently is succeptible to fireblight, so Wintersweet is an improvement in that regard at least. A bit about storage pears here:
https://www.frenchgardening.com/tech.html?pid=1139483932219159
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." From the description, it reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so
inedibly hard and sour in fall, even insects and squirrels won't eat it."
This is extremely subjective, even on the basis of squirrel opinion. I
have found squirrels more than happy to eat it once it becomes fairly tree
ripe- they do generally prefer low acid fruit, but humans vary in this
regard. I and many folks I know love Goldrush right off the tree. I
actually prefer their sharp taste than to the more basic flavor of a stored
one.
Insects tend not to bother any hard apple as much as softer ones- in
unsprayed nursery trees I will get some decent Fujis as well as Goldrush.
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> Cool, I sent an email indicating my interest. From the description, it
> reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so inedibly hard and sour in fall,
> even insects and squirrels won't eat it. After mellowing in storage for
> months, it's finally delicious in spring, with a good sweet/tart balance
> and lots of aromatic flavor. Am I right in thinking this pear is similar?
>
> If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be
> concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it
> properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard
> rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would
> want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor
> in bounds.
>
> I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on
> the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear
> texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by
> more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
>
> I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put
> it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You
> could edit it down and post it there.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
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inedibly hard and sour in fall, even insects and squirrels won't eat it."
This is extremely subjective, even on the basis of squirrel opinion. I
have found squirrels more than happy to eat it once it becomes fairly tree
ripe- they do generally prefer low acid fruit, but humans vary in this
regard. I and many folks I know love Goldrush right off the tree. I
actually prefer their sharp taste than to the more basic flavor of a stored
one.
Insects tend not to bother any hard apple as much as softer ones- in
unsprayed nursery trees I will get some decent Fujis as well as Goldrush.
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> Cool, I sent an email indicating my interest. From the description, it
> reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so inedibly hard and sour in fall,
> even insects and squirrels won't eat it. After mellowing in storage for
> months, it's finally delicious in spring, with a good sweet/tart balance
> and lots of aromatic flavor. Am I right in thinking this pear is similar?
>
> If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be
> concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it
> properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard
> rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would
> want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor
> in bounds.
>
> I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on
> the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear
> texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by
> more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
>
> I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put
> it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You
> could edit it down and post it there.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
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> Roanoke (Va.) Times (blog)
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> Jujube is a Chinese native that just happens to grow really well here in
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Re: [nafex] Wintersweet Pear
Melissa,
I don't have enough experience with Goldrush to know if the comparison
holds.
As for rootstock, I have stuck with OHxF. The smallest OHxF is 333. I
have grafted hundreds of trees on OHxF 333 and never seen any need for
anchoring. It NOT like dwarfing apple rootstock that makes sickly trees
that fall over in the breeze. The OHxF is perhaps better called a
semi-dwarf. My Wintersweets on OHxF 333 are not small trees. They are
narrow, but not short, and still very, very vigorous.
When it comes to pruning, there is a wide range of technique that can
produce acceptable results. I prune as little as possible, until a tree
tells me it wants more. (They tell you if you watch them.) The
Wintersweet would probably benefit from some spreading. It definitely
bunches up like Asian pears often do. I have a friend who has a couple
of Wintersweet trees and he has cut them hard. I will watch his trees. I
suspect that, at least in the near term, my largely unpruned trees will
outproduce his, but we will see.
I will post a short description that can be forwarded to Gardenweb.
Thanks,
Alexis
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> Cool, I sent an email indicating my interest. From the description, it reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so inedibly hard and sour in fall, even insects and squirrels won't eat it. After mellowing in storage for months, it's finally delicious in spring, with a good sweet/tart balance and lots of aromatic flavor. Am I right in thinking this pear is similar?
>
> If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor in bounds.
>
> I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
>
> I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You could edit it down and post it there.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
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> Jujube is a Chinese native that just happens to grow really well here in the US, and especially in southwest VA. Gardening.org states that the tree is ...
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I don't have enough experience with Goldrush to know if the comparison
holds.
As for rootstock, I have stuck with OHxF. The smallest OHxF is 333. I
have grafted hundreds of trees on OHxF 333 and never seen any need for
anchoring. It NOT like dwarfing apple rootstock that makes sickly trees
that fall over in the breeze. The OHxF is perhaps better called a
semi-dwarf. My Wintersweets on OHxF 333 are not small trees. They are
narrow, but not short, and still very, very vigorous.
When it comes to pruning, there is a wide range of technique that can
produce acceptable results. I prune as little as possible, until a tree
tells me it wants more. (They tell you if you watch them.) The
Wintersweet would probably benefit from some spreading. It definitely
bunches up like Asian pears often do. I have a friend who has a couple
of Wintersweet trees and he has cut them hard. I will watch his trees. I
suspect that, at least in the near term, my largely unpruned trees will
outproduce his, but we will see.
I will post a short description that can be forwarded to Gardenweb.
Thanks,
Alexis
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> Cool, I sent an email indicating my interest. From the description, it reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so inedibly hard and sour in fall, even insects and squirrels won't eat it. After mellowing in storage for months, it's finally delicious in spring, with a good sweet/tart balance and lots of aromatic flavor. Am I right in thinking this pear is similar?
>
> If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor in bounds.
>
> I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
>
> I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You could edit it down and post it there.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
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>
> Roanoke (Va.) Times (blog)
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> Jujube is a Chinese native that just happens to grow really well here in the US, and especially in southwest VA. Gardening.org states that the tree is ...
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[nafex] Fanatical Botanical: Grow jujubes for a new fruit experience (Roanoke Times)
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Roanoke (Va.) Times (blog)
Jujube is a Chinese native that just happens to grow really well here in the US, and especially in southwest VA. Gardening.org states that the tree is ...
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Jujube is a Chinese native that just happens to grow really well here in the US, and especially in southwest VA. Gardening.org states that the tree is ...
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Wednesday, October 28, 2015
Re: [nafex] New Pear Variety for Self Sufficiency
Cool, I sent an email indicating my interest. From the description, it reminds me of Goldrush apple, which is so inedibly hard and sour in fall, even insects and squirrels won't eat it. After mellowing in storage for months, it's finally delicious in spring, with a good sweet/tart balance and lots of aromatic flavor. Am I right in thinking this pear is similar?
If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor in bounds.
I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You could edit it down and post it there.
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If the tree is so vigorous, it must require a lot of pruning. I'd be concerned that a dwarfing rootstock might not be sufficient to anchor it properly if it's allowed to grow too big. I've requested mine on standard rootstock. I don't mind a big tree. Although I can imagine others would want it on the most dwarfing rootstock possible, to try to keep its vigor in bounds.
I'd be curious to plant seeds from this tree. To me, pears tend to err on the side of blandness. I'd like to taste a pear with a classic dessert pear texture but a bit more oomph in taste. If this pear has been pollinated by more classic dessert pears, the seedlings may be interesting.
I passed your post along to the NAFEX Facebook group. I wanted to also put it in the Gardenweb Fruit and Orchards forum, but it was too long. You could edit it down and post it there.
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Re: [nafex] Wintersweet
RE: Wintersweet
Well, not sure how to describe crunchy. It has more texture than the
soft pears. Generally similar to a Bosc. I have not tried canning them.
My family has eaten them all so far, though I have some in storage now.
I imagine they would can well, because of the firmness and the sweet/
tartness. But that is only speculation.
Alexis
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> Do you mean crunchy like a bosc pear? Sounds very interesting. How does it can?
> Naomi
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> WinterSweet Pear
> A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
>
> PLEASE FORWARD
>
> Summary:
>
> The purpose of this document is to bring to the awareness of the reader a new variety of pear tree that I believe will be useful for those seeking food self-sufficiency, or simply a much better winter storage pear. See the end of the document if you wish to acquire one or more trees.
>
> The name of this pear tree is WinterSweet. I have been growing this tree in 3 orchards in Central Virginia for 5 years. The attributes of this tree and its fruit are as follows.
>
> Vigor -- This is the fastest growing pear tree of any I have ever planted, often growing twice as fast as other pear trees, even in mediocre soil. In August when other pear trees have yellowed and are readying for dormancy, this tree is still dark green and growing.
>
> Flavor -- This is the strongest flavored pear I have ever eaten. In the early ripening stage, it has a very strong tart-sweet flavor with bitter overtones. As it ripens fully, the bitterness disappears and the tartness diminishes somewhat. The ripening pattern could be comparable to (pear-flavored) Granny Smith apples -- very tart in the early ripening stage to finish with an excellent sweet-tart flavor as it ripens fully. This is a storage pear. The flavor is MUCH better then other late storage pears like Kieffer or Burford.
>
> Sugars (Brix) -- A friend of mine has a brix tester (he's a vegetable breeder). We tested a couple of Wintersweets. The highest brix was 15.7, with an average at 15.0. That is higher than most other pears.
>
> Ripening Time -- Late, harvest season begins in early October in Central Virginia, extending for at least several weeks.
>
> Size -- Medium, about the size of a Bartlett.
>
> Disease Resistance -- Some of our test orchards suffer extreme disease and insect pressure. The fruit of this pear is little bothered by insects. The tree has suffered no blight damage whatsoever after 5 years in an orchard with extreme blight pressure where other blight resistant pears have been killed or badly damaged. This does NOT constitute an conclusive blight resistance test.
>
> Texture -- In the early ripening stage, the texture is poor, fibrous, sawdusty. As the fruit ripens fully, the texture improves substantially to become a crunchy, sweet, dense pear. At full ripe, it is still the densest pear I have ever eaten. The texture of this pear probably means it has little value on the grocery store shelf (where people are used to delicate desert pears imported from afar).
>
> Storage Value -- Limited experimentation leads us to believe that this pear is an excellent storage pear. It is a very dense pear, which appears to help it store a long time without refrigeration. We have not done enough storage with our various varieties to make a conclusive comparison yet.
>
> Pollination -- All of our Wintersweets are in orchards with numerous other pear trees. I have no means by which to assess if WinterSweet is self-fertile to any degree.
>
> Further Commentary
>
> The mother of this tree was growing on a farm that belongs to a friend of mine in Central VA. The mother of the WinterSweet Pear tree was a massive tree, probably 16 inches or more in diameter, perhaps 50 feet tall. It was in a cow pasture, and produced a prodigious quantity of pears that we made into the most amazing cider I have ever tasted. I was impressed by this late, dense, sweet fruit, and started grafting it. I prize late fruit highly. I love my Seckle Pear, but in August, life is just too full of good things for the self-sufficient farmer. The mother of WinterSweet blew over in a storm a few years ago.
>
> I have planted WinterSweets in 3 orchards in Central Virginia. Orchard number 1 is in Charlottesville VA and suffers from extreme fireblight pressure. If you are familiar with fireblight, you know that is a /very/fickle disease that responds with extreme variability to environmental triggers (moisture and temperature, I think). A tree that shows no signs of blight for years may be devastated by the disease when circumstances change. The performance of other pear trees in regards to fireblight in orchard number 1 are as follows:
>
> Magness -- killed to the ground.
>
> Harvest Queen -- A Bartlett derivative that is supposed to be much more disease resistant than Bartlett (quoting Cummins Nursery). My Harvest Queen has produced some really delightful fruit, but it has been hammered by fireblight and appears to be in terminal decline.
>
> Kieffer -- Badly damaged by blight. (I cut it down after a few productive years because the fruit consistently tasted like damp styrofoam).
>
> Seckle -- Minor damage each year.
>
> Ayers -- I have only had this tree a few years and have seen no damage yet.
>
> Our number 2 and 3 test orchards have dozens of varieties of pears in them. The blight pressure is less extreme than the number 1 orchard (much better air movement). Some of our blight resistant trees have suffered at least minor damage in these orchards as well. To date Wintersweet has experienced no blight damage in our number 2 or number 3 orchards.
>
> The reason I believe this tree is valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint is that the tree is so incredibly vigorous, shows no signs of disease problems, produces a prodigious quantity of very sweet fruit, produces its fruit in the fall after the peak of the annuals harvest has passed, and probably will store for a long time in a root cellar or other appropriate environment. *Winter fruit without canning is highly valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint. *
>
> WinterSweet appears to be a European/ Asian cross. It has a an Asian growth pattern, with branches close together in a vertical orientation.
> It does not spread naturally. It has thick stems and gives the appearance of an Asian pear. The flavor however is radically different than Asian pears. I have never tasted a pear with such tartness.
>
> I believe it would be helpful for the local food movement if this pear tree were widely disseminated, particularly for people aspiring to food self-sufficiency. WinterSweet is a dramatically better pear than other winter keepers like Burford or Keiffer, much sweeter and more flavorful.
> Wintersweet has a later ripening time than any of the other desert pears, later than any pear with which I am familiar. Given its density and late ripening, it may store later into the winter than any of the other storage pears, though I cannot make that claim based on systematic comparisons with other pears.
>
> Plan to Disseminate
>
> We have a limited quantity of fruit at this time. We also have an excellent solar food drying system. I am part of an organization called Living Energy Farm that is building a farm and a community that will run without fossil fuel (see livingenergyfarm.org). I would like to propagate this tree and let the proceeds support Living Energy Farm. In the winter of 2015-2016, I will order roostock. (I teach propagation classes and get the rootstock for those classes.) I use OHxF pear rootstock. WinterSweet is the fastest growing pear of any we have planted on OHxF rootstock, which is a modern, blight-resistant rootstock. We use OHxF 333, a semi-dwarf rootstock, and OHxF 97, which produces a near full-sized tree. Our earliest WinterSweets are on 333 rootstock, and have a vertical orientation topping off at about 15 feet.
> I don't think they are going to get any taller. So far our WinterSweets on OHxF 97 are wider, and perhaps 20 feet tall. I don't know what the final height of a WinterSweet on OHxF 97 might be.
>
> This winter, we are going to try to send dried samples of WinterSweet to as many people as we can (at no charge). We are going to propagate trees based on the number of people who say they are interested in purchasing trees shipped to them in winter 2016-2017 (about a year from now). If you want a tree, let us know now. Asking for a tree now will NOT commit you to buying one a year from now. We will ask for payment then, and you can decline at that time if you choose. But I don't want to propagate a lot of trees unless there is sufficient interest. Final cost will depend on what we can figure our for shipping. I would estimate something in the range of $30 - $40 for one tree, and an additional $25 for each additional tree.
>
> I will probably not disseminate scion wood this year as supply is limited. Please let me know if you would like to make buy a WinterSweet next winter. Please let me know if you want a free sample (small) of the dried fruit. We will be sending these samples to a LIMITED number of people. Please send an email with WinterSweet in the subject line to tradelocally (that email symbol) yahoo.com to indicate your interests.
>
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>
> Alexis Zeigler
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Well, not sure how to describe crunchy. It has more texture than the
soft pears. Generally similar to a Bosc. I have not tried canning them.
My family has eaten them all so far, though I have some in storage now.
I imagine they would can well, because of the firmness and the sweet/
tartness. But that is only speculation.
Alexis
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> Do you mean crunchy like a bosc pear? Sounds very interesting. How does it can?
> Naomi
>
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> Subject: [nafex] New Pear Variety for Self Sufficiency
>
> WinterSweet Pear
> A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
>
> PLEASE FORWARD
>
> Summary:
>
> The purpose of this document is to bring to the awareness of the reader a new variety of pear tree that I believe will be useful for those seeking food self-sufficiency, or simply a much better winter storage pear. See the end of the document if you wish to acquire one or more trees.
>
> The name of this pear tree is WinterSweet. I have been growing this tree in 3 orchards in Central Virginia for 5 years. The attributes of this tree and its fruit are as follows.
>
> Vigor -- This is the fastest growing pear tree of any I have ever planted, often growing twice as fast as other pear trees, even in mediocre soil. In August when other pear trees have yellowed and are readying for dormancy, this tree is still dark green and growing.
>
> Flavor -- This is the strongest flavored pear I have ever eaten. In the early ripening stage, it has a very strong tart-sweet flavor with bitter overtones. As it ripens fully, the bitterness disappears and the tartness diminishes somewhat. The ripening pattern could be comparable to (pear-flavored) Granny Smith apples -- very tart in the early ripening stage to finish with an excellent sweet-tart flavor as it ripens fully. This is a storage pear. The flavor is MUCH better then other late storage pears like Kieffer or Burford.
>
> Sugars (Brix) -- A friend of mine has a brix tester (he's a vegetable breeder). We tested a couple of Wintersweets. The highest brix was 15.7, with an average at 15.0. That is higher than most other pears.
>
> Ripening Time -- Late, harvest season begins in early October in Central Virginia, extending for at least several weeks.
>
> Size -- Medium, about the size of a Bartlett.
>
> Disease Resistance -- Some of our test orchards suffer extreme disease and insect pressure. The fruit of this pear is little bothered by insects. The tree has suffered no blight damage whatsoever after 5 years in an orchard with extreme blight pressure where other blight resistant pears have been killed or badly damaged. This does NOT constitute an conclusive blight resistance test.
>
> Texture -- In the early ripening stage, the texture is poor, fibrous, sawdusty. As the fruit ripens fully, the texture improves substantially to become a crunchy, sweet, dense pear. At full ripe, it is still the densest pear I have ever eaten. The texture of this pear probably means it has little value on the grocery store shelf (where people are used to delicate desert pears imported from afar).
>
> Storage Value -- Limited experimentation leads us to believe that this pear is an excellent storage pear. It is a very dense pear, which appears to help it store a long time without refrigeration. We have not done enough storage with our various varieties to make a conclusive comparison yet.
>
> Pollination -- All of our Wintersweets are in orchards with numerous other pear trees. I have no means by which to assess if WinterSweet is self-fertile to any degree.
>
> Further Commentary
>
> The mother of this tree was growing on a farm that belongs to a friend of mine in Central VA. The mother of the WinterSweet Pear tree was a massive tree, probably 16 inches or more in diameter, perhaps 50 feet tall. It was in a cow pasture, and produced a prodigious quantity of pears that we made into the most amazing cider I have ever tasted. I was impressed by this late, dense, sweet fruit, and started grafting it. I prize late fruit highly. I love my Seckle Pear, but in August, life is just too full of good things for the self-sufficient farmer. The mother of WinterSweet blew over in a storm a few years ago.
>
> I have planted WinterSweets in 3 orchards in Central Virginia. Orchard number 1 is in Charlottesville VA and suffers from extreme fireblight pressure. If you are familiar with fireblight, you know that is a /very/fickle disease that responds with extreme variability to environmental triggers (moisture and temperature, I think). A tree that shows no signs of blight for years may be devastated by the disease when circumstances change. The performance of other pear trees in regards to fireblight in orchard number 1 are as follows:
>
> Magness -- killed to the ground.
>
> Harvest Queen -- A Bartlett derivative that is supposed to be much more disease resistant than Bartlett (quoting Cummins Nursery). My Harvest Queen has produced some really delightful fruit, but it has been hammered by fireblight and appears to be in terminal decline.
>
> Kieffer -- Badly damaged by blight. (I cut it down after a few productive years because the fruit consistently tasted like damp styrofoam).
>
> Seckle -- Minor damage each year.
>
> Ayers -- I have only had this tree a few years and have seen no damage yet.
>
> Our number 2 and 3 test orchards have dozens of varieties of pears in them. The blight pressure is less extreme than the number 1 orchard (much better air movement). Some of our blight resistant trees have suffered at least minor damage in these orchards as well. To date Wintersweet has experienced no blight damage in our number 2 or number 3 orchards.
>
> The reason I believe this tree is valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint is that the tree is so incredibly vigorous, shows no signs of disease problems, produces a prodigious quantity of very sweet fruit, produces its fruit in the fall after the peak of the annuals harvest has passed, and probably will store for a long time in a root cellar or other appropriate environment. *Winter fruit without canning is highly valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint. *
>
> WinterSweet appears to be a European/ Asian cross. It has a an Asian growth pattern, with branches close together in a vertical orientation.
> It does not spread naturally. It has thick stems and gives the appearance of an Asian pear. The flavor however is radically different than Asian pears. I have never tasted a pear with such tartness.
>
> I believe it would be helpful for the local food movement if this pear tree were widely disseminated, particularly for people aspiring to food self-sufficiency. WinterSweet is a dramatically better pear than other winter keepers like Burford or Keiffer, much sweeter and more flavorful.
> Wintersweet has a later ripening time than any of the other desert pears, later than any pear with which I am familiar. Given its density and late ripening, it may store later into the winter than any of the other storage pears, though I cannot make that claim based on systematic comparisons with other pears.
>
> Plan to Disseminate
>
> We have a limited quantity of fruit at this time. We also have an excellent solar food drying system. I am part of an organization called Living Energy Farm that is building a farm and a community that will run without fossil fuel (see livingenergyfarm.org). I would like to propagate this tree and let the proceeds support Living Energy Farm. In the winter of 2015-2016, I will order roostock. (I teach propagation classes and get the rootstock for those classes.) I use OHxF pear rootstock. WinterSweet is the fastest growing pear of any we have planted on OHxF rootstock, which is a modern, blight-resistant rootstock. We use OHxF 333, a semi-dwarf rootstock, and OHxF 97, which produces a near full-sized tree. Our earliest WinterSweets are on 333 rootstock, and have a vertical orientation topping off at about 15 feet.
> I don't think they are going to get any taller. So far our WinterSweets on OHxF 97 are wider, and perhaps 20 feet tall. I don't know what the final height of a WinterSweet on OHxF 97 might be.
>
> This winter, we are going to try to send dried samples of WinterSweet to as many people as we can (at no charge). We are going to propagate trees based on the number of people who say they are interested in purchasing trees shipped to them in winter 2016-2017 (about a year from now). If you want a tree, let us know now. Asking for a tree now will NOT commit you to buying one a year from now. We will ask for payment then, and you can decline at that time if you choose. But I don't want to propagate a lot of trees unless there is sufficient interest. Final cost will depend on what we can figure our for shipping. I would estimate something in the range of $30 - $40 for one tree, and an additional $25 for each additional tree.
>
> I will probably not disseminate scion wood this year as supply is limited. Please let me know if you would like to make buy a WinterSweet next winter. Please let me know if you want a free sample (small) of the dried fruit. We will be sending these samples to a LIMITED number of people. Please send an email with WinterSweet in the subject line to tradelocally (that email symbol) yahoo.com to indicate your interests.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alexis Zeigler
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Re: [nafex] New Pear Variety for Self Sufficiency
Do you mean crunchy like a bosc pear? Sounds very interesting. How does it can?
Naomi
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WinterSweet Pear
A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
PLEASE FORWARD
Summary:
The purpose of this document is to bring to the awareness of the reader a new variety of pear tree that I believe will be useful for those seeking food self-sufficiency, or simply a much better winter storage pear. See the end of the document if you wish to acquire one or more trees.
The name of this pear tree is WinterSweet. I have been growing this tree in 3 orchards in Central Virginia for 5 years. The attributes of this tree and its fruit are as follows.
Vigor -- This is the fastest growing pear tree of any I have ever planted, often growing twice as fast as other pear trees, even in mediocre soil. In August when other pear trees have yellowed and are readying for dormancy, this tree is still dark green and growing.
Flavor -- This is the strongest flavored pear I have ever eaten. In the early ripening stage, it has a very strong tart-sweet flavor with bitter overtones. As it ripens fully, the bitterness disappears and the tartness diminishes somewhat. The ripening pattern could be comparable to (pear-flavored) Granny Smith apples -- very tart in the early ripening stage to finish with an excellent sweet-tart flavor as it ripens fully. This is a storage pear. The flavor is MUCH better then other late storage pears like Kieffer or Burford.
Sugars (Brix) -- A friend of mine has a brix tester (he's a vegetable breeder). We tested a couple of Wintersweets. The highest brix was 15.7, with an average at 15.0. That is higher than most other pears.
Ripening Time -- Late, harvest season begins in early October in Central Virginia, extending for at least several weeks.
Size -- Medium, about the size of a Bartlett.
Disease Resistance -- Some of our test orchards suffer extreme disease and insect pressure. The fruit of this pear is little bothered by insects. The tree has suffered no blight damage whatsoever after 5 years in an orchard with extreme blight pressure where other blight resistant pears have been killed or badly damaged. This does NOT constitute an conclusive blight resistance test.
Texture -- In the early ripening stage, the texture is poor, fibrous, sawdusty. As the fruit ripens fully, the texture improves substantially to become a crunchy, sweet, dense pear. At full ripe, it is still the densest pear I have ever eaten. The texture of this pear probably means it has little value on the grocery store shelf (where people are used to delicate desert pears imported from afar).
Storage Value -- Limited experimentation leads us to believe that this pear is an excellent storage pear. It is a very dense pear, which appears to help it store a long time without refrigeration. We have not done enough storage with our various varieties to make a conclusive comparison yet.
Pollination -- All of our Wintersweets are in orchards with numerous other pear trees. I have no means by which to assess if WinterSweet is self-fertile to any degree.
Further Commentary
The mother of this tree was growing on a farm that belongs to a friend of mine in Central VA. The mother of the WinterSweet Pear tree was a massive tree, probably 16 inches or more in diameter, perhaps 50 feet tall. It was in a cow pasture, and produced a prodigious quantity of pears that we made into the most amazing cider I have ever tasted. I was impressed by this late, dense, sweet fruit, and started grafting it. I prize late fruit highly. I love my Seckle Pear, but in August, life is just too full of good things for the self-sufficient farmer. The mother of WinterSweet blew over in a storm a few years ago.
I have planted WinterSweets in 3 orchards in Central Virginia. Orchard number 1 is in Charlottesville VA and suffers from extreme fireblight pressure. If you are familiar with fireblight, you know that is a /very/fickle disease that responds with extreme variability to environmental triggers (moisture and temperature, I think). A tree that shows no signs of blight for years may be devastated by the disease when circumstances change. The performance of other pear trees in regards to fireblight in orchard number 1 are as follows:
Magness -- killed to the ground.
Harvest Queen -- A Bartlett derivative that is supposed to be much more disease resistant than Bartlett (quoting Cummins Nursery). My Harvest Queen has produced some really delightful fruit, but it has been hammered by fireblight and appears to be in terminal decline.
Kieffer -- Badly damaged by blight. (I cut it down after a few productive years because the fruit consistently tasted like damp styrofoam).
Seckle -- Minor damage each year.
Ayers -- I have only had this tree a few years and have seen no damage yet.
Our number 2 and 3 test orchards have dozens of varieties of pears in them. The blight pressure is less extreme than the number 1 orchard (much better air movement). Some of our blight resistant trees have suffered at least minor damage in these orchards as well. To date Wintersweet has experienced no blight damage in our number 2 or number 3 orchards.
The reason I believe this tree is valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint is that the tree is so incredibly vigorous, shows no signs of disease problems, produces a prodigious quantity of very sweet fruit, produces its fruit in the fall after the peak of the annuals harvest has passed, and probably will store for a long time in a root cellar or other appropriate environment. *Winter fruit without canning is highly valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint. *
WinterSweet appears to be a European/ Asian cross. It has a an Asian growth pattern, with branches close together in a vertical orientation.
It does not spread naturally. It has thick stems and gives the appearance of an Asian pear. The flavor however is radically different than Asian pears. I have never tasted a pear with such tartness.
I believe it would be helpful for the local food movement if this pear tree were widely disseminated, particularly for people aspiring to food self-sufficiency. WinterSweet is a dramatically better pear than other winter keepers like Burford or Keiffer, much sweeter and more flavorful.
Wintersweet has a later ripening time than any of the other desert pears, later than any pear with which I am familiar. Given its density and late ripening, it may store later into the winter than any of the other storage pears, though I cannot make that claim based on systematic comparisons with other pears.
Plan to Disseminate
We have a limited quantity of fruit at this time. We also have an excellent solar food drying system. I am part of an organization called Living Energy Farm that is building a farm and a community that will run without fossil fuel (see livingenergyfarm.org). I would like to propagate this tree and let the proceeds support Living Energy Farm. In the winter of 2015-2016, I will order roostock. (I teach propagation classes and get the rootstock for those classes.) I use OHxF pear rootstock. WinterSweet is the fastest growing pear of any we have planted on OHxF rootstock, which is a modern, blight-resistant rootstock. We use OHxF 333, a semi-dwarf rootstock, and OHxF 97, which produces a near full-sized tree. Our earliest WinterSweets are on 333 rootstock, and have a vertical orientation topping off at about 15 feet.
I don't think they are going to get any taller. So far our WinterSweets on OHxF 97 are wider, and perhaps 20 feet tall. I don't know what the final height of a WinterSweet on OHxF 97 might be.
This winter, we are going to try to send dried samples of WinterSweet to as many people as we can (at no charge). We are going to propagate trees based on the number of people who say they are interested in purchasing trees shipped to them in winter 2016-2017 (about a year from now). If you want a tree, let us know now. Asking for a tree now will NOT commit you to buying one a year from now. We will ask for payment then, and you can decline at that time if you choose. But I don't want to propagate a lot of trees unless there is sufficient interest. Final cost will depend on what we can figure our for shipping. I would estimate something in the range of $30 - $40 for one tree, and an additional $25 for each additional tree.
I will probably not disseminate scion wood this year as supply is limited. Please let me know if you would like to make buy a WinterSweet next winter. Please let me know if you want a free sample (small) of the dried fruit. We will be sending these samples to a LIMITED number of people. Please send an email with WinterSweet in the subject line to tradelocally (that email symbol) yahoo.com to indicate your interests.
Thanks,
Alexis Zeigler
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Subject: [nafex] New Pear Variety for Self Sufficiency
WinterSweet Pear
A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
PLEASE FORWARD
Summary:
The purpose of this document is to bring to the awareness of the reader a new variety of pear tree that I believe will be useful for those seeking food self-sufficiency, or simply a much better winter storage pear. See the end of the document if you wish to acquire one or more trees.
The name of this pear tree is WinterSweet. I have been growing this tree in 3 orchards in Central Virginia for 5 years. The attributes of this tree and its fruit are as follows.
Vigor -- This is the fastest growing pear tree of any I have ever planted, often growing twice as fast as other pear trees, even in mediocre soil. In August when other pear trees have yellowed and are readying for dormancy, this tree is still dark green and growing.
Flavor -- This is the strongest flavored pear I have ever eaten. In the early ripening stage, it has a very strong tart-sweet flavor with bitter overtones. As it ripens fully, the bitterness disappears and the tartness diminishes somewhat. The ripening pattern could be comparable to (pear-flavored) Granny Smith apples -- very tart in the early ripening stage to finish with an excellent sweet-tart flavor as it ripens fully. This is a storage pear. The flavor is MUCH better then other late storage pears like Kieffer or Burford.
Sugars (Brix) -- A friend of mine has a brix tester (he's a vegetable breeder). We tested a couple of Wintersweets. The highest brix was 15.7, with an average at 15.0. That is higher than most other pears.
Ripening Time -- Late, harvest season begins in early October in Central Virginia, extending for at least several weeks.
Size -- Medium, about the size of a Bartlett.
Disease Resistance -- Some of our test orchards suffer extreme disease and insect pressure. The fruit of this pear is little bothered by insects. The tree has suffered no blight damage whatsoever after 5 years in an orchard with extreme blight pressure where other blight resistant pears have been killed or badly damaged. This does NOT constitute an conclusive blight resistance test.
Texture -- In the early ripening stage, the texture is poor, fibrous, sawdusty. As the fruit ripens fully, the texture improves substantially to become a crunchy, sweet, dense pear. At full ripe, it is still the densest pear I have ever eaten. The texture of this pear probably means it has little value on the grocery store shelf (where people are used to delicate desert pears imported from afar).
Storage Value -- Limited experimentation leads us to believe that this pear is an excellent storage pear. It is a very dense pear, which appears to help it store a long time without refrigeration. We have not done enough storage with our various varieties to make a conclusive comparison yet.
Pollination -- All of our Wintersweets are in orchards with numerous other pear trees. I have no means by which to assess if WinterSweet is self-fertile to any degree.
Further Commentary
The mother of this tree was growing on a farm that belongs to a friend of mine in Central VA. The mother of the WinterSweet Pear tree was a massive tree, probably 16 inches or more in diameter, perhaps 50 feet tall. It was in a cow pasture, and produced a prodigious quantity of pears that we made into the most amazing cider I have ever tasted. I was impressed by this late, dense, sweet fruit, and started grafting it. I prize late fruit highly. I love my Seckle Pear, but in August, life is just too full of good things for the self-sufficient farmer. The mother of WinterSweet blew over in a storm a few years ago.
I have planted WinterSweets in 3 orchards in Central Virginia. Orchard number 1 is in Charlottesville VA and suffers from extreme fireblight pressure. If you are familiar with fireblight, you know that is a /very/fickle disease that responds with extreme variability to environmental triggers (moisture and temperature, I think). A tree that shows no signs of blight for years may be devastated by the disease when circumstances change. The performance of other pear trees in regards to fireblight in orchard number 1 are as follows:
Magness -- killed to the ground.
Harvest Queen -- A Bartlett derivative that is supposed to be much more disease resistant than Bartlett (quoting Cummins Nursery). My Harvest Queen has produced some really delightful fruit, but it has been hammered by fireblight and appears to be in terminal decline.
Kieffer -- Badly damaged by blight. (I cut it down after a few productive years because the fruit consistently tasted like damp styrofoam).
Seckle -- Minor damage each year.
Ayers -- I have only had this tree a few years and have seen no damage yet.
Our number 2 and 3 test orchards have dozens of varieties of pears in them. The blight pressure is less extreme than the number 1 orchard (much better air movement). Some of our blight resistant trees have suffered at least minor damage in these orchards as well. To date Wintersweet has experienced no blight damage in our number 2 or number 3 orchards.
The reason I believe this tree is valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint is that the tree is so incredibly vigorous, shows no signs of disease problems, produces a prodigious quantity of very sweet fruit, produces its fruit in the fall after the peak of the annuals harvest has passed, and probably will store for a long time in a root cellar or other appropriate environment. *Winter fruit without canning is highly valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint. *
WinterSweet appears to be a European/ Asian cross. It has a an Asian growth pattern, with branches close together in a vertical orientation.
It does not spread naturally. It has thick stems and gives the appearance of an Asian pear. The flavor however is radically different than Asian pears. I have never tasted a pear with such tartness.
I believe it would be helpful for the local food movement if this pear tree were widely disseminated, particularly for people aspiring to food self-sufficiency. WinterSweet is a dramatically better pear than other winter keepers like Burford or Keiffer, much sweeter and more flavorful.
Wintersweet has a later ripening time than any of the other desert pears, later than any pear with which I am familiar. Given its density and late ripening, it may store later into the winter than any of the other storage pears, though I cannot make that claim based on systematic comparisons with other pears.
Plan to Disseminate
We have a limited quantity of fruit at this time. We also have an excellent solar food drying system. I am part of an organization called Living Energy Farm that is building a farm and a community that will run without fossil fuel (see livingenergyfarm.org). I would like to propagate this tree and let the proceeds support Living Energy Farm. In the winter of 2015-2016, I will order roostock. (I teach propagation classes and get the rootstock for those classes.) I use OHxF pear rootstock. WinterSweet is the fastest growing pear of any we have planted on OHxF rootstock, which is a modern, blight-resistant rootstock. We use OHxF 333, a semi-dwarf rootstock, and OHxF 97, which produces a near full-sized tree. Our earliest WinterSweets are on 333 rootstock, and have a vertical orientation topping off at about 15 feet.
I don't think they are going to get any taller. So far our WinterSweets on OHxF 97 are wider, and perhaps 20 feet tall. I don't know what the final height of a WinterSweet on OHxF 97 might be.
This winter, we are going to try to send dried samples of WinterSweet to as many people as we can (at no charge). We are going to propagate trees based on the number of people who say they are interested in purchasing trees shipped to them in winter 2016-2017 (about a year from now). If you want a tree, let us know now. Asking for a tree now will NOT commit you to buying one a year from now. We will ask for payment then, and you can decline at that time if you choose. But I don't want to propagate a lot of trees unless there is sufficient interest. Final cost will depend on what we can figure our for shipping. I would estimate something in the range of $30 - $40 for one tree, and an additional $25 for each additional tree.
I will probably not disseminate scion wood this year as supply is limited. Please let me know if you would like to make buy a WinterSweet next winter. Please let me know if you want a free sample (small) of the dried fruit. We will be sending these samples to a LIMITED number of people. Please send an email with WinterSweet in the subject line to tradelocally (that email symbol) yahoo.com to indicate your interests.
Thanks,
Alexis Zeigler
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[nafex] New Pear Variety for Self Sufficiency
WinterSweet Pear
A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
A Valuable New Crop for Food Self-Sufficiency
PLEASE FORWARD
Summary:
The purpose of this document is to bring to the awareness of the reader
a new variety of pear tree that I believe will be useful for those
seeking food self-sufficiency, or simply a much better winter storage
pear. See the end of the document if you wish to acquire one or more trees.
The name of this pear tree is WinterSweet. I have been growing this tree
in 3 orchards in Central Virginia for 5 years. The attributes of this
tree and its fruit are as follows.
Vigor -- This is the fastest growing pear tree of any I have ever
planted, often growing twice as fast as other pear trees, even in
mediocre soil. In August when other pear trees have yellowed and are
readying for dormancy, this tree is still dark green and growing.
Flavor -- This is the strongest flavored pear I have ever eaten. In the
early ripening stage, it has a very strong tart-sweet flavor with bitter
overtones. As it ripens fully, the bitterness disappears and the
tartness diminishes somewhat. The ripening pattern could be comparable
to (pear-flavored) Granny Smith apples -- very tart in the early
ripening stage to finish with an excellent sweet-tart flavor as it
ripens fully. This is a storage pear. The flavor is MUCH better then
other late storage pears like Kieffer or Burford.
Sugars (Brix) -- A friend of mine has a brix tester (he's a vegetable
breeder). We tested a couple of Wintersweets. The highest brix was 15.7,
with an average at 15.0. That is higher than most other pears.
Ripening Time -- Late, harvest season begins in early October in Central
Virginia, extending for at least several weeks.
Size -- Medium, about the size of a Bartlett.
Disease Resistance -- Some of our test orchards suffer extreme disease
and insect pressure. The fruit of this pear is little bothered by
insects. The tree has suffered no blight damage whatsoever after 5 years
in an orchard with extreme blight pressure where other "blight
resistant" pears have been killed or badly damaged. This does NOT
constitute an conclusive blight resistance test.
Texture -- In the early ripening stage, the texture is poor, fibrous,
sawdusty. As the fruit ripens fully, the texture improves substantially
to become a crunchy, sweet, dense pear. At full ripe, it is still the
densest pear I have ever eaten. The texture of this pear probably means
it has little value on the grocery store shelf (where people are used to
delicate "desert" pears imported from afar).
Storage Value -- Limited experimentation leads us to believe that this
pear is an excellent storage pear. It is a very dense pear, which
appears to help it store a long time without refrigeration. We have not
done enough storage with our various varieties to make a conclusive
comparison yet.
Pollination -- All of our Wintersweets are in orchards with numerous
other pear trees. I have no means by which to assess if WinterSweet is
self-fertile to any degree.
Further Commentary
The mother of this tree was growing on a farm that belongs to a friend
of mine in Central VA. The mother of the WinterSweet Pear tree was a
massive tree, probably 16 inches or more in diameter, perhaps 50 feet
tall. It was in a cow pasture, and produced a prodigious quantity of
pears that we made into the most amazing cider I have ever tasted. I was
impressed by this late, dense, sweet fruit, and started grafting it. I
prize late fruit highly. I love my Seckle Pear, but in August, life is
just too full of good things for the self-sufficient farmer. The mother
of WinterSweet blew over in a storm a few years ago.
I have planted WinterSweets in 3 orchards in Central Virginia. Orchard
number 1 is in Charlottesville VA and suffers from extreme fireblight
pressure. If you are familiar with fireblight, you know that is a
/very/fickle disease that responds with extreme variability to
environmental triggers (moisture and temperature, I think). A tree that
shows no signs of blight for years may be devastated by the disease when
circumstances change. The performance of other pear trees in regards to
fireblight in orchard number 1 are as follows:
Magness -- killed to the ground.
Harvest Queen -- A Bartlett derivative that is supposed to be "much more
disease resistant" than Bartlett (quoting Cummins Nursery). My Harvest
Queen has produced some really delightful fruit, but it has been
hammered by fireblight and appears to be in terminal decline.
Kieffer -- Badly damaged by blight. (I cut it down after a few
productive years because the fruit consistently tasted like damp
styrofoam).
Seckle -- Minor damage each year.
Ayers -- I have only had this tree a few years and have seen no damage yet.
Our number 2 and 3 test orchards have dozens of varieties of pears in
them. The blight pressure is less extreme than the number 1 orchard
(much better air movement). Some of our "blight resistant" trees have
suffered at least minor damage in these orchards as well. To date
Wintersweet has experienced no blight damage in our number 2 or number 3
orchards.
The reason I believe this tree is valuable from a food self-sufficiency
standpoint is that the tree is so incredibly vigorous, shows no signs of
disease problems, produces a prodigious quantity of very sweet fruit,
produces its fruit in the fall after the peak of the annuals harvest has
passed, and probably will store for a long time in a root cellar or
other appropriate environment. *Winter fruit without canning is highly
valuable from a food self-sufficiency standpoint. *
WinterSweet appears to be a European/ Asian cross. It has a an Asian
growth pattern, with branches close together in a vertical orientation.
It does not spread naturally. It has thick stems and gives the
appearance of an Asian pear. The flavor however is radically different
than Asian pears. I have never tasted a pear with such tartness.
I believe it would be helpful for the local food movement if this pear
tree were widely disseminated, particularly for people aspiring to food
self-sufficiency. WinterSweet is a dramatically better pear than other
winter keepers like Burford or Keiffer, much sweeter and more flavorful.
Wintersweet has a later ripening time than any of the other "desert"
pears, later than any pear with which I am familiar. Given its density
and late ripening, it may store later into the winter than any of the
other storage pears, though I cannot make that claim based on systematic
comparisons with other pears.
Plan to Disseminate
We have a limited quantity of fruit at this time. We also have an
excellent solar food drying system. I am part of an organization called
Living Energy Farm that is building a farm and a community that will run
without fossil fuel (see livingenergyfarm.org). I would like to
propagate this tree and let the proceeds support Living Energy Farm. In
the winter of 2015-2016, I will order roostock. (I teach propagation
classes and get the rootstock for those classes.) I use OHxF pear
rootstock. WinterSweet is the fastest growing pear of any we have
planted on OHxF rootstock, which is a modern, blight-resistant
rootstock. We use OHxF 333, a semi-dwarf rootstock, and OHxF 97, which
produces a near full-sized tree. Our earliest WinterSweets are on 333
rootstock, and have a vertical orientation topping off at about 15 feet.
I don't think they are going to get any taller. So far our WinterSweets
on OHxF 97 are wider, and perhaps 20 feet tall. I don't know what the
final height of a WinterSweet on OHxF 97 might be.
This winter, we are going to try to send dried samples of WinterSweet to
as many people as we can (at no charge). We are going to propagate trees
based on the number of people who say they are interested in purchasing
trees shipped to them in winter 2016-2017 (about a year from now). If
you want a tree, let us know now. Asking for a tree now will NOT commit
you to buying one a year from now. We will ask for payment then, and you
can decline at that time if you choose. But I don't want to propagate a
lot of trees unless there is sufficient interest. Final cost will depend
on what we can figure our for shipping. I would estimate something in
the range of $30 - $40 for one tree, and an additional $25 for each
additional tree.
I will probably not disseminate scion wood this year as supply is
limited. Please let me know if you would like to make buy a WinterSweet
next winter. Please let me know if you want a free sample (small) of the
dried fruit. We will be sending these samples to a LIMITED number of
people. Please send an email with WinterSweet in the subject line to
tradelocally (that email symbol) yahoo.com to indicate your interests.
Thanks,
Alexis Zeigler
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Friday, October 23, 2015
[nafex] Redbud Seed Pods
Folks:
Since this opportunity only comes once a year, I'd like to extend an invitation for folks to try an experiment with me. The redbud seed pods are, now, available. I've eaten the young pods and found a few trees that produced pods that made a good pod pea substitute (many have the papery lining that make pods hard to eat but some don't have it). Now I want to see how the dried seeds taste. I'm gathering up pods now. I hope to be able to figure out a way to husk the seeds and clean them up. Once I have, I plan to boil a batch and pressure cook a batch to see how tasty they are.
Two years ago, I found honey locust seeds to be quite tasty pressure cooked and served like beans. I'd like to add another perennial legume to crops list if possible. I'd appreciate it if other folks give it a try as well so that we can compare notes.
Thanks to all,
Geoffrey Tolle
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Thursday, October 22, 2015
Re: [nafex] Identifying Persimmon Varieties
On 10/22/2015 4:26 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote:
> Orchard 1 Candidates:
>
> 1. Early Golden
> 2. Lambert (suppsedly larger than Early Golden with few seeds(?))
> 3. Burhman (supposedly purple bloom and dark maroon fruit) - probably
> not a match for any of the remaining trees
> 4. Josephine (supposedly like Early Golden but slightly earlier)
Hello Pete,
I have no experience with variety 2, 3 and 4 and I can't help you with
those. As for ripening dates that can vary year to year as well as by
location. Color can vary year to year. Making an undisputed
identification is nearly impossible.
Jerry
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> Orchard 1 Candidates:
>
> 1. Early Golden
> 2. Lambert (suppsedly larger than Early Golden with few seeds(?))
> 3. Burhman (supposedly purple bloom and dark maroon fruit) - probably
> not a match for any of the remaining trees
> 4. Josephine (supposedly like Early Golden but slightly earlier)
Hello Pete,
I have no experience with variety 2, 3 and 4 and I can't help you with
those. As for ripening dates that can vary year to year as well as by
location. Color can vary year to year. Making an undisputed
identification is nearly impossible.
Jerry
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[nafex] Identifying Persimmon Varieties
Several old nearby orchards have grafted persimmon trees I'd like to *try*
to identify, but it appears this will be a bit of a challenge. Unlike figs
with their somewhat unique leaves, persimmon leaves all look very similar
(to me).
I should be able to get approximate relative ripening dates as well as
fruit sizes and colors. I also know/can get some other traits like "drop
when ripe" or "tend to hang on tree after ripe."
The good news is I have a list of likely suspects.
Orchard 1 Candidates:
1. Early Golden
2. Lambert (suppsedly larger than Early Golden with few seeds(?))
3. Burhman (supposedly purple bloom and dark maroon fruit) - probably
not a match for any of the remaining trees
4. Josephine (supposedly like Early Golden but slightly earlier)
My biggest problem is that all of the above assume I have access to a known
Early Golden in the same vicinity, which I don't.
Orchard 2 will be more difficult as there's a longer list of candidates as
well as many more trees. I'll post later if there's interest.
Any thoughts on how to proceed? Is there any specific Early Golden (fall)
fruit or tree trait or traits I can look for? Is anyone aware of a type
reference, hopefully with color photos?
Thanks!
-Pete
Pete Chrisbacher
Wilmington, DE
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to identify, but it appears this will be a bit of a challenge. Unlike figs
with their somewhat unique leaves, persimmon leaves all look very similar
(to me).
I should be able to get approximate relative ripening dates as well as
fruit sizes and colors. I also know/can get some other traits like "drop
when ripe" or "tend to hang on tree after ripe."
The good news is I have a list of likely suspects.
Orchard 1 Candidates:
1. Early Golden
2. Lambert (suppsedly larger than Early Golden with few seeds(?))
3. Burhman (supposedly purple bloom and dark maroon fruit) - probably
not a match for any of the remaining trees
4. Josephine (supposedly like Early Golden but slightly earlier)
My biggest problem is that all of the above assume I have access to a known
Early Golden in the same vicinity, which I don't.
Orchard 2 will be more difficult as there's a longer list of candidates as
well as many more trees. I'll post later if there's interest.
Any thoughts on how to proceed? Is there any specific Early Golden (fall)
fruit or tree trait or traits I can look for? Is anyone aware of a type
reference, hopefully with color photos?
Thanks!
-Pete
Pete Chrisbacher
Wilmington, DE
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Thursday, October 15, 2015
Re: [nafex] Shipping persimmons
No Costco store nearby??? Here is a substitute, loaded with ideas for you:
https://www.searchlock.com/search?q=persimmon+packaging
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Shipping persimmons
On 10/14/2015 11:29 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
> Cosco stores have them in stock right now and have an ingenious method of
> shipping them. Check it out.
Jim,
No link. Check it out where?
jerry
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On 10/14/2015 11:29 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
> Cosco stores have them in stock right now and have an ingenious method of
> shipping them. Check it out.
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Re: [nafex] Shipping persimmons
On 10/14/2015 11:29 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
> Cosco stores have them in stock right now and have an ingenious method
> of shipping them. Check it out.
Jim,
No link. Check it out where?
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> Cosco stores have them in stock right now and have an ingenious method
> of shipping them. Check it out.
Jim,
No link. Check it out where?
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[nafex] Shipping persimmons
Cosco stores have them in stock right now and have an ingenious method of
shipping them. Check it out.
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On 10/14/2015 6:30 AM, mark wessel wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies. It was much more than I expected.
> GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a
> slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the
> softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some
> but is very fine tasting and sweet.
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shipping them. Check it out.
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On 10/14/2015 6:30 AM, mark wessel wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies. It was much more than I expected.
> GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a
> slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the
> softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some
> but is very fine tasting and sweet.
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Re: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
Ha, mine are still hanging in the trees hard as rocks, tho I took a
test one down the other day and it ripened in about a week. My
question is, can they handle a hard freeze or should I pick them
before the high 20s forecast for this weekend?
~miEKAL
Z4B/ SW WI
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population
> with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
>
> Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
>
> Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
> Richard Moyer, SW VA
>
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test one down the other day and it ripened in about a week. My
question is, can they handle a hard freeze or should I pick them
before the high 20s forecast for this weekend?
~miEKAL
Z4B/ SW WI
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population
> with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
>
> Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
>
> Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
> Richard Moyer, SW VA
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Re: [nafex] Diospyros rhombifolia
On 10/14/2015 6:34 AM, mark wessel wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
>
> Mark
> Southern Ohio
Mark,
Mine is in a bucket and I bring it in every winter. I believe it is a
native to New Caledonia which is I believe is in the subtropics and if
correct would not survive outdoors in Ohio. It is 30 chromosome. Mine is
pistillate and without a pollinator produces attractive inedible
seedless fruit.
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> Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
>
> Mark
> Southern Ohio
Mark,
Mine is in a bucket and I bring it in every winter. I believe it is a
native to New Caledonia which is I believe is in the subtropics and if
correct would not survive outdoors in Ohio. It is 30 chromosome. Mine is
pistillate and without a pollinator produces attractive inedible
seedless fruit.
Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Diospyros rhombifolia
On 10/14/2015 6:34 AM, mark wessel wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
Mark,
Yes I have one in a bucket and I've had it for several years. It is an
attractive fruit but the taste is absolutely horrible. It tastes like it
is pure poison. I'm including a picture of a fruit cut in half. This is
a rather large file, please let me know if you received it okay as
ibiblio doesn't send a copy to the sender.
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> Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
Mark,
Yes I have one in a bucket and I've had it for several years. It is an
attractive fruit but the taste is absolutely horrible. It tastes like it
is pure poison. I'm including a picture of a fruit cut in half. This is
a rather large file, please let me know if you received it okay as
ibiblio doesn't send a copy to the sender.
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Re: [nafex] geneva long persimmon
On 10/14/2015 6:30 AM, mark wessel wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies. It was much more than I expected.
> GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some but is very fine tasting and sweet.
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> Thanks for all your replies. It was much more than I expected.
> GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some but is very fine tasting and sweet.
What varieties do you have?
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[nafex] Diospyros rhombifolia
Greetings
Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
Mark
Southern Ohio
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Does anyone have any experience with D. rhombifolia. A friend from Longwood Gardens posted a picture of one last week. The fruit is very similar in shape to the Geneva long. If so, please comment on taste and hardiness.
Mark
Southern Ohio
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Re: [nafex] geneva long persimmon
Thanks for all your replies. It was much more than I expected.
GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some but is very fine tasting and sweet.
GL is one of my favorites of the dozen or so we have planted. There is a slight gelatinous texture that is appealing when compared to many of the softer or near pastie varieties. It lacks the vibrant orange color of some but is very fine tasting and sweet.
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/8/2015 9:09 PM, mark wessel wrote:
>> Does anyone know the true parentage of "Geneva Long". I have read what is easily googled. Some say virginiana x kaki.
> Hello Mark,
>
> I have Geneva Long here as well as Geneva red. It is my considered opinion that Geneva Long is not a hybrid, unless it is an offspring of Rosseyanka. That conical shape is somewhat common in kaki and is also common in virginiana.
>
> Prior to the importation of Rosseyanka in 1992 several breeders in the US attempted hybridizing the 2 species, kaki and the 90 chromosome virginiana. All attempts were unsuccessful. This included Luther Burbank which is reported in the Luther Burbank encyclopedia. In it he states all his attempts to hybridize the 2 species failed. The encyclopedia gave no details as to which varieties or how many of the 2 were used in his attempts. Rosseyanka to the best of my knowledge was the 1st interspecies hybrid and was accomplished by Dr. Pasenkov (sp?) at the Nikita Botanical Gardens in Crimea using embryo rescue and was the only one that survived out of 22 rescue attempts, it was originally named Rosseyanka 18. But since that time the blockage that prevented previous attempts is broken down and all of her offspring can be back bred relatively easily to both species. This along with closely looking at the leaves leads me to strongly believe Geneva Long is not a hybrid, rather pure virginiana. The same holds true for Prok which some believe is a interspecies hybrid.
>
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Re: [nafex] Fwd: nafex Digest, Vol 157, Issue 4
Thanks for writing however I found an Illinois supplier.
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I meant to write:
We (here in Central Piedmont Virginia) were late this year with the NA
pawpaws. I didn't start picking until September and the last two
hangers-on were picked at the end of September.
Barbara R.
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I meant to write:
We (here in Central Piedmont Virginia) were late this year with the NA
pawpaws. I didn't start picking until September and the last two
hangers-on were picked at the end of September.
Barbara R.
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From:
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Date:
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On 10/12/2015 11:06 AM, nottke1 wrote:
> Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
>
> Winston-Salem, NC, area
Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
Jerry
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I have two pawpaw trees and I am just starting to get a few ripe pawpaws from one tree and none yet from the other one. I am in Zone 5 near Lansing, MI. We might get our first frost Saturday night but today it about 70 degrees.
Tom Volkening
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Subject: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
Today's Topics:
1. Time to Pursue the Pawpaw, America?s Fleeting Fall Fruit
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I meant to write:
We (here in Central Piedmont Virginia) were late this year with the NA
pawpaws. I didn't start picking until September and the last two
hangers-on were picked at the end of September.
Barbara R.
Z7
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From:
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Date:
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On 10/12/2015 11:06 AM, nottke1 wrote:
> Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
>
> Winston-Salem, NC, area
Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
Jerry
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Subject:
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I have two pawpaw trees and I am just starting to get a few ripe pawpaws from one tree and none yet from the other one. I am in Zone 5 near Lansing, MI. We might get our first frost Saturday night but today it about 70 degrees.
Tom Volkening
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All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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I meant to write:
We (here in Central Piedmont Virginia) were late this year with the NA
pawpaws. I didn't start picking until September and the last two
hangers-on were picked at the end of September.
Barbara R.
Z7
Monday, October 12, 2015
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> Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
>
> Winston-Salem, NC, area
Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
Jerry
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I have two pawpaw trees and I am just starting to get a few ripe pawpaws from one tree and none yet from the other one. I am in Zone 5 near Lansing, MI. We might get our first frost Saturday night but today it about 70 degrees.
Tom Volkening
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Subject: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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1. Time to Pursue the Pawpaw, America?s Fleeting Fall Fruit
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On 10/12/2015 11:06 AM, nottke1 wrote:
> Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
>
> Winston-Salem, NC, area
Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
Jerry
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I have two pawpaw trees and I am just starting to get a few ripe pawpaws from one tree and none yet from the other one. I am in Zone 5 near Lansing, MI. We might get our first frost Saturday night but today it about 70 degrees.
Tom Volkening
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Subject: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
Today's Topics:
1. Time to Pursue the Pawpaw, America?s Fleeting Fall Fruit
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Re: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
I have two pawpaw trees and I am just starting to get a few ripe pawpaws from one tree and none yet from the other one. I am in Zone 5 near Lansing, MI. We might get our first frost Saturday night but today it about 70 degrees.
Tom Volkening
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All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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Re: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
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> Winston-Salem, NC, area
Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
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> Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
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Same here in Terre Haute Indiana.
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Re: [nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
Picked my last pawpaw one week ago.
Winston-Salem, NC, area
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>All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population
>with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
>
>Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
>
>Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
>Richard Moyer, SW VA
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>All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population
>with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
>
>Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
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>Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
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[nafex] Time to pursue Pawpaw?
All our pawpaws have been gone several weeks. Only know of one population
with fruit in midOct, here in NE TN/SW VA, 2000 ft elevation.
Any of you still harvesting pawpaw fruit? If so, when is your peak time?
Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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Eating acorns here, in the form of bear meat.
Richard Moyer, SW VA
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[nafex] Time to Pursue the Pawpaw, America’s Fleeting Fall Fruit (National Public Radio)
Time to Pursue the Pawpaw, America's Fleeting Fall Fruit (National Public Radio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/10/447244976/time-to-pursue-the-pawpaw-americas-fleeting-fall-fruit
(article mentions an Ohio grower who has a pawpaw planting.)
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/10/447244976/time-to-pursue-the-pawpaw-americas-fleeting-fall-fruit
(article mentions an Ohio grower who has a pawpaw planting.)
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Friday, October 9, 2015
Re: [nafex] Jujube fresh eating, preservation and marketing
A couple of years ago one of the Asian supermarkets here in St. Paul was selling jujubes at a bargain price. I bought quite a few of the fully brown (yet plump and sound) ones and canned them in heavy syrup. In each pint jar, I put 1 whole clove, 3 whole allspice, and a single layer of stick cinnamon about 3/4 inch long. The resulting product was very good, probably too sweet to eat like peaches from the jar, but wonderful for garnishing a square of gingerbread or a slice of spice, pumpkin or apple cake; baked ham; roast pork, duck, or goose; or a dish vanilla or butter brickle ice cream; or vanilla or butterscotch pudding. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. USDA hardiness zone 4a.
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From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Hilborn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:12 PM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jujube fresh eating, preservation and marketing
I do not enough fruit to market. The dried fruit tastes remarkably like dates (to my palate), but the fresh fruit is interesting. When some green is present, I taste a mild, sweet almost apple flavor. When mahogany brown, but while still plump, caramel notes with intense sweetness are present. The flavor varies by year somewhat, and although the fruit is billed as drought resistant, the texture is less crisp and juicy if the trees do not get enough water.
My favorite uses for the fruit include fresh eating, and especially,
stewing- no sugar needed to my taste. The fruit gets a delicate flavor with a pale pink juice and a light floral aroma.
Richard, do you dry them whole? I process mine to remove the seeds and end up with small jujube chips, pretty labor intensive.
Betsy Hilborn
7a NC
On 10/7/2015 8:18 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> We dry ours and they last forever. While living and shopping in
> Seoul, Korea, we never saw them fresh, but always dried. Some market
> stands had ONLY jujubes, of various sizes and shapes, priced
> accordingly. Hundreds of lbs, all dried.
>
> I understand the Vietnamese and Indians prefer them in the crispy,
> less ripe stage, as referred to in this articles. Indians staying
> with us have picked out the less ripe ones, not eating the riper (shriveled ones).
>
> Long story short, we sell most of ours dried. They keep forever that
> way, so we're not scrambling for buyers.
>
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA, where all our jujubes survived -15F last winter.
>
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>> Jujube: Texas producers learn to grow, how to eat little-known fruit
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>> https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://today.agrilife.org/2
>> 015/10/06/jujube-texas-producers-learn-to-grow-how-to-eat-little-know
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>> 4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNE9aq2mUr1k9MJyUUz4_k5SIgGmwg
>> AgriLife Today
>> COLLEGE STATION - Several hands raised when asked at the annual Texas
>> Fruit Conference who had acreage of jujube. "What were you thinking?
>>
>> Story URL:
>> http://today.agrilife.org/2015/10/06/jujube-texas-producers-learn-to-
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From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Hilborn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:12 PM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jujube fresh eating, preservation and marketing
I do not enough fruit to market. The dried fruit tastes remarkably like dates (to my palate), but the fresh fruit is interesting. When some green is present, I taste a mild, sweet almost apple flavor. When mahogany brown, but while still plump, caramel notes with intense sweetness are present. The flavor varies by year somewhat, and although the fruit is billed as drought resistant, the texture is less crisp and juicy if the trees do not get enough water.
My favorite uses for the fruit include fresh eating, and especially,
stewing- no sugar needed to my taste. The fruit gets a delicate flavor with a pale pink juice and a light floral aroma.
Richard, do you dry them whole? I process mine to remove the seeds and end up with small jujube chips, pretty labor intensive.
Betsy Hilborn
7a NC
On 10/7/2015 8:18 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> We dry ours and they last forever. While living and shopping in
> Seoul, Korea, we never saw them fresh, but always dried. Some market
> stands had ONLY jujubes, of various sizes and shapes, priced
> accordingly. Hundreds of lbs, all dried.
>
> I understand the Vietnamese and Indians prefer them in the crispy,
> less ripe stage, as referred to in this articles. Indians staying
> with us have picked out the less ripe ones, not eating the riper (shriveled ones).
>
> Long story short, we sell most of ours dried. They keep forever that
> way, so we're not scrambling for buyers.
>
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA, where all our jujubes survived -15F last winter.
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:39 PM, <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 21:38:23 +0000
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>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
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>> Subject: [nafex] Jujube: Texas producers learn to grow, how to eat
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>> 1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057BB68E@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msf
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>> Jujube: Texas producers learn to grow, how to eat little-known fruit
>> <
>> https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://today.agrilife.org/2
>> 015/10/06/jujube-texas-producers-learn-to-grow-how-to-eat-little-know
>> n-fruit/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBioTMzA4OTY5OTU5MjkyNjc5NzE3MDIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU
>> 4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNE9aq2mUr1k9MJyUUz4_k5SIgGmwg
>> AgriLife Today
>> COLLEGE STATION - Several hands raised when asked at the annual Texas
>> Fruit Conference who had acreage of jujube. "What were you thinking?
>>
>> Story URL:
>> http://today.agrilife.org/2015/10/06/jujube-texas-producers-learn-to-
>> grow-how-to-eat-little-known-fruit/
>>
>>
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