for me it's an ornamental, very little berry production and barely
hardy enough for z4b...
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> Im working with a client to upgrade and expand edibles on their property.
> They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
> past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
> of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
> varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
> whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
> production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
>
> thanks in advance
> Jono
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[nafex] black lace elderberry
Im working with a client to upgrade and expand edibles on their property.
They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
thanks in advance
Jono
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They have a black lace elderberry, from a previous landscaper. I saw in the
past nafex messages it was mentioned as a european variety, but no mention
of whether it fruits as well as some of the other, less-ornamental
varieties. Anyone have any experience with this variety and can speak to
whether its worth the space it takes up? (Im wondering about fruit
production-- Ill move it elsewhere if its mostly just a pretty bush)
thanks in advance
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
Greenfield, MA
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
Author of The Permaculture Promise
*https://permaculturepromise.com/ <https://permaculturepromise.com/>*
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Re: [nafex] goumi and mold
Shelly, I grow 2 varieties in your area. I do not have problems with mold. I have them about 6 feet apart and they are at least 7 feet high. They have sun from mid morning through sunset. They have moderate air flow only. Contact me off list if you wish to discussBetsy Hilborn Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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Date: 11/13/2018 5:19 PM (GMT+01:00)
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Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold
Hello NAFEXers,Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold. Thank you,Shelley Orby Dare OrchardCedar Grove, NC__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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[nafex] goumi and mold
Hello NAFEXers,
Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.
I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?
I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold.
Thank you,
Shelley
Orby Dare Orchard
Cedar Grove, NC
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Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.
I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?
I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold.
Thank you,
Shelley
Orby Dare Orchard
Cedar Grove, NC
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Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
Well that is encouraging. I am in Payette Idaho, Zone 6 Oregon border. Not that much wind. But my front flower bed has extra heat reflected down on it from the wall of the house that faces west. As a result I have a faithfully bearing apricot tree. And raspberries, and currants.
Naomi
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Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
> amazing claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
> all are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree
> s.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think
> they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:
> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
> amazing claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
> all are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree
> s.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think
> they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates
I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.
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I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:
> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.
I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early
enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.
They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.
On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
> do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
>> claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
>> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
>> are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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[nafex] Jujube?
Ask Cliff @ England's Nursery. He is a jujube maven!
Barbara Rosholdt
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