Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc

Lee -

I'm pretty sure got it from Raintree. It's a very small plant, still less
than 3 feet tall. It gets a leaf disease that doesn't affect any of my M.
Alba/rubra, maybe that's why it isn't growing

With respect to hardiness, I would bet the problem isn't surviving the cold
in mid-winter, especially if the plant is fully dormant and protected. The
problem is that the subtropical mulberries leaf out too early in the spring
and then get clobbered by late frosts.

Fred

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, SC <filtertitle@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance. Mine in
> ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
> M. nigra -- for certain
>
>
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> Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date:
> 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio -
> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
> Fred, I am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated,
> although we don't know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse.
> Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries mislabel the
> plant?
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <
> http://www.leereich.com/blog>
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>
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> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
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>
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm
> looking
> > for.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a cool
> >> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as
> low
> >> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month ago,
> >> which implies that your option D would work.
> >>
> >> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
> > when
> >> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived, but my
> > figs
> >> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are iffy.
> > In
> >> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Fred
> >> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> > nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
> >>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
> >>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
> >>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
> >>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the plant
> > will
> >>> survive?
> >>>
> >>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone
> 5/6
> >>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
> >>>
> >>> I'm weighing my options:
> >>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm
> not
> >>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
> >>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I think
> it
> >>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the
> plants,
> >>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
> >>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy chilling
> >>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
> > deg C
> >>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can bring
> >>> them back outside.
> >>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
> >>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a point.
> > The
> >>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it could
> >>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making them
> >>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee
> Reich).
> >>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
> >>>
> >>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> -Nathan
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc

I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance.  Mine in ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
M. nigra -- for certain

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date: 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
Fred, I am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated, although we don't know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse. Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries mislabel the plant?

Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at  http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm looking
> for.
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot.  I overwintered it in a cool
>> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as low
>> as 35 on extremely cold nights.  The plant sprouted about a month ago,
>> which implies that your option D would work.
>>
>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
> when
>> the temperature got down to minus 15.  My Morus nigra survived, but my
> figs
>> didn't.  So your options A and B might work, but I think they are iffy.
> In
>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Fred
>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the plant
> will
>>> survive?
>>>
>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone 5/6
>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
>>>
>>> I'm weighing my options:
>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm not
>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I think it
>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the plants,
>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy chilling
>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
> deg C
>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can bring
>>> them back outside.
>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
>>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a point.
> The
>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it could
>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making them
>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee Reich).
>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
>>>
>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> -Nathan
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc

Fred, I am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated, although we don't know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse. Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries mislabel the plant?

Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm looking
> for.
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a cool
>> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as low
>> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month ago,
>> which implies that your option D would work.
>>
>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
> when
>> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived, but my
> figs
>> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are iffy.
> In
>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Fred
>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the plant
> will
>>> survive?
>>>
>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone 5/6
>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
>>>
>>> I'm weighing my options:
>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm not
>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I think it
>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the plants,
>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy chilling
>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
> deg C
>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can bring
>>> them back outside.
>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
>>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a point.
> The
>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it could
>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making them
>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee Reich).
>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
>>>
>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> -Nathan
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc

Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm looking
for.

Nathan



On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a cool
> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as low
> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month ago,
> which implies that your option D would work.
>
> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
when
> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived, but my
figs
> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are iffy.
In
> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Fred
> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the plant
will
>> survive?
>>
>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone 5/6
>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
>>
>> I'm weighing my options:
>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm not
>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I think it
>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the plants,
>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy chilling
>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
deg C
>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can bring
>> them back outside.
>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a point.
The
>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it could
>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making them
>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee Reich).
>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
>>
>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
>>
>> -Nathan
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Re: [nafex] Example of including an image in an email message to list: Plum - Kuban Burgandy - My Edible Landscape

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> the plum picture came through embedded as well as attached.
>

So that means that for me at least doing the copy-paste of an image from a
website I have open in a browser window
into the body of a message to the nafex list does not work but uploading it
from my computer hard drive as inline or attached does.
So, that is settled.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: [nafex] Gennadiy's picture

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I write emails I use Mozilla Foxfire then when I send it goes to
> Gmail and then they forward to ibiblio. I went to attach that picture and
> got the following message from Mozilla Foxfire, "Many email servers do
> not accept messages with large file attachments. The file size restriction
> varies depending on the mail server configuration. While you might be able
> to send a message with a large attachment, the receiving mail server might
> refuse to accept a message with a large attachment. This is all beyond the
> control of Thunderbird".
>

Jerry:

I received your message with 1) an inline image embedded in the text 2) a
thumbnail of the same image, attached to the message
Perfect.

About the apps and services you use:

1) You run Firefox, your web browser
2) You go to Gmail
Gmail - Google
<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwi2kb6On93LAhVKRiYKHZysAjsQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNExwdtj2geSDAkwzEypo2w-h0HAPg&sig2=FeSclPhdtRxVHos1-bWYUw>
https://mail.google.com/
3) You log into Gmail with 1) your username and 2) your password
4) You then read your incoming email in Inbox or other folders, reply to
them
OR create and send a new email message in Compose

So,all your email activity should be in Gmail after logging in
Firefox doesn't do email but it takes you to services that do
Of course you can run dedicated email apps that reside completely on your
own computer,
ones like Thunderbird, Opera, Claws or other good ones and you can run
those concurrently with Gmail plus import all your Gmail into them.

The image you sent could be several megabytes in size so trimming it
smaller than 25K is not necessary.

Gennaidy's farm soil looks like Black Earth or rather Black Gold.

LL




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Re: [nafex] Gennadiy's picture

I received it.

Chris Garriss
Sent via Android Phone
On Mar 25, 2016 11:40 AM, "Jerry Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I really appreciate that Lawrence is working with us and is keeping a
> close eye on the net. When I write emails I use Mozilla Foxfire then when I
> send it goes to Gmail and then they forward to ibiblio. I went to attach
> that picture and got the following message from Mozilla Foxfire, "Many
> email servers do not accept messages with large file attachments. The file
> size restriction varies depending on the mail server configuration. While
> you might be able to send a message with a large attachment, the receiving
> mail server might refuse to accept a message with a large attachment. This
> is all beyond the control of Thunderbird".
>
> The file size of that picture was 1.38 MB so I opened it with _Picture It_
> software and compressed it reducing the size to 25 kB, that's quite a
> reduction. I hope the picture quality and definition is acceptable, we
> shall see. On the last send of the picture some of you reported you did
> receive it some of you didn't which tells me, after thinking about it, that
> Gmail is passing it on and IBIBLIO is passing it on and the problem is in
> servers after ibiblio. Will those of you that reported not receiving it
> please let me know if you received the smaller size and received the
> attachment. Then I will have learned that in the future I need to compress
> pictures before I send them and shame on me for not having learned this
> before. I guess some folks are slow learners. :-)
>
> I've embed the picture again from the 25 kB size and also attach it and
> lets see what happens. So again the picture is of Gennadiy Eremin and his
> son Victor taken in Krymsk, Russia at the Krymsk breeding Station in their
> peach test plot.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry L
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