Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

I'm about 200 miles north of the native range of pawpaws, I was
thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness issue, but
maybe there is something else going on. A few of my grated trees that
died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe 1/2" or
more caliper. Everyone has winterkilled, scion and rootstock.

~mIEKAL



On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.
>
> Anton
> NC Piedmont
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
>>
>>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I
>>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two,
>>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew.
>>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named
>>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety.
>>>
>>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and
>>> walk away, they might have fared better.
>>Lucky,
>>
>>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same
>>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the
>>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of
>>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with
>>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being
>>transplanted.
>>
>>In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted
>>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did
>>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with
>>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was
>>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We
>>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws.
>>
>>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery.
>>I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in
>>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae
>>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one
>>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a
>>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied
>>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were
>>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put
>>your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting
>>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active growth had begun which is
>>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or
>>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year
>>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure,
>>and after all that work of planting those 33!
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1

Anton,
I suggest contacting Kirk Pomper and/or Neal Peterson, and asking them
about graft incompatibility, reasons for graft rejection etc. They've been
at this longer than many, so may have some data on this. Neal selected
Shenandoah, if I remember right.

Richard Moyer
Where we picked our first wild pawpaws today. Are blessed with good
tasting, large, native pawpaw fruit on our land. Our challenge is fighting
back the autumn olives and multiflora rose!
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.

Anton
NC Piedmont


-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
>
>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I
>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two,
>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew.
>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named
>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety.
>>
>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and
>> walk away, they might have fared better.
>Lucky,
>
>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same
>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the
>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of
>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with
>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being
>transplanted.
>
>In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted
>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did
>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with
>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was
>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We
>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws.
>
>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery.
>I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in
>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae
>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one
>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a
>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied
>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were
>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put
>your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting
>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active growth had begun which is
>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or
>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year
>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure,
>and after all that work of planting those 33!
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
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