[nafex] digest preferences

Maybe just a fluke - but I just started receiving these emails today
(after a long hiatus) as well. . . I was able to log in to see my
preferences. I wanted to see if digest format was not checked. But,
alas, it was. However, I am now receiving each email individually and
would like to

Admin folks know anything about what to do here? Looks like there may
be a couple people in the same boat as me.


Thanks,
Anton Ptak
W. Wisconsin


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Re: [nafex] It's Murph..... anyone remember me?

Jim's address is: jimfruth@charter.net

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Re: [nafex] It's Murph..... anyone remember me?

Hi, Murph!


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Richard wrote:

> It's family reunion time!How is everyone?
>
> Somehow, I managed to fall (thrown overboard?) off the mailing list. Feels great to be back.I have been extremely busy, grafting cool apples on M7, and raising my aronia crop.
> It would be cool, however, if I could receive this list as 'one clump' every other day or so, like I used to get.Somebody please advise.....
> Is Jim Fruth out there?I need a recipe for aronia syrup to sell in MA.
> I attended the funeral of the great Francis Fenton of Mercer, Maine. We used to visit once in a while.....2 months shy of 100 years old.Nice speech by John Bunker.
> Murph
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Re: [nafex] It's Murph..... anyone remember me?

Jim Fruth backchanneled me this morning that he didn't know if he was
still on the list...

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Richard <murphman108@msn.com> wrote:
> It's family reunion time!How is everyone?
>
> Somehow, I managed to fall (thrown overboard?) off the mailing list. Feels great to be back.I have been extremely busy, grafting cool apples on M7, and raising my aronia crop.
> It would be cool, however, if I could receive this list as 'one clump' every other day or so, like I used to get.Somebody please advise.....
> Is Jim Fruth out there?I need a recipe for aronia syrup to sell in MA.
> I attended the funeral of the great Francis Fenton of Mercer, Maine. We used to visit once in a while.....2 months shy of 100 years old.Nice speech by John Bunker.
> Murph
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[nafex] It's Murph..... anyone remember me?

It's family reunion time!How is everyone?

Somehow, I managed to fall (thrown overboard?) off the mailing list. Feels great to be back.I have been extremely busy, grafting cool apples on M7, and raising my aronia crop.
It would be cool, however, if I could receive this list as 'one clump' every other day or so, like I used to get.Somebody please advise.....
Is Jim Fruth out there?I need a recipe for aronia syrup to sell in MA.
I attended the funeral of the great Francis Fenton of Mercer, Maine. We used to visit once in a while.....2 months shy of 100 years old.Nice speech by John Bunker.
Murph
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

Lol, Jerry.
I was just speaking colloquially when I said 'chunk 'em in the ground'.

I do dig an appropriate hole, gently remove the plant from the pot, unfurl
any circling roots - sometimes I'll cut some off if it's been 'imprisoned'
for too long, then backfill water in well and mulch appropriately. I'll
usually water first-year transplants, as necessary... but after that,
they're on their own.

Lucky

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Lehman
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 8:45 AM
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Cc: Cliff England
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws
> that I grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a
> year or two, then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the
understock re-grew.
> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named
> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety.
>
> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground
> and walk away, they might have fared better.
Lucky,

Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same
experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the
year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of this
following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with pawpaws and
may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being transplanted.

In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted potted
pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did survive
after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with only 3
instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was partially my
fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We need to hear from
more planters of grafted potted pawpaws.

About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery.
I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in dirt
from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae fungi
specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one with this
soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a time and
spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied pelletized sulfur
to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were planted in well dug
holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put your method down as it's
difficult not to do much else when planting potted pawpaws.) After planting
when active growth had begun which is when I normally graft trees I grafted
all of them using the Omega or saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts
survived past the 1st year and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell
a be a total failure, and after all that work of planting those 33!

Jerry




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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

I'm in NM at about 5000 feet. I've been trying to get pawpaws
established for about 10 years. I buy grafted named varieties bare root
and plant them in the ground. All but one have died after a year or
maybe two. Our sun is very intense. The trees have been planted in an
area that gets partial shade but I also used to put a shaded structure
around them that kept them pretty much shaded all the time. I had some
trees that did ok for a few years that way but when I removed the
shading, they declined. Many times the trees were simply dead in the
spring for no apparent reason.

I noticed that some trees that had survived the winter then put out a
few leaves (these were usually small plants and often had only 4 or 5
leaves) and within a few weeks the leaves were chewed up, burnt out, or
shredded by the wind. For the one tree that has survived, I put a mesh
enclosure around it to keep off insects, birds, and wind. This year it
put out a dozen or so leaves and is doing ok.

They definitely require acidifying the soil here. Without that, the
leaves are cholorotic. Once I acidify, the change in leaf color is very
rapid.

I've always puzzled over why I couldn't get the pawpaws to survive.
Maybe the graft is the key and I need to plant seedlings.

Regards,

Jay

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On 8/19/2015 7:44 AM, Jerry Lehman wrote:
> On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws
>> that I
>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or
>> two,
>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew.
>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named
>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety.
>>
>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground
>> and
>> walk away, they might have fared better.
> Lucky,
>
> Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the
> same experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the
> graft the year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard
> reports of this following survival of the 1st year. This may be
> problematic with pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike
> for being transplanted.
>
> In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted
> potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that
> did survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my
> experience with only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I
> believe it was partially my fault as I may not have cared for them
> sufficiently. We need to hear from more planters of grafted potted
> pawpaws.
>
> About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR
> nursery. I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and
> brought in dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the
> Mycorrhizae fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of
> every other one with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can
> hall 200 gallons at a time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain.
> I had also applied pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in
> before planting. They were planted in well dug holes, not chunked in.
> (Lucky, not trying to put your method down as it's difficult not to do
> much else when planting potted pawpaws.) After planting when active
> growth had begun which is when I normally graft trees I grafted all of
> them using the Omega or saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts
> survived past the 1st year and only 3 of the under stock survived.
> It's hell a be a total failure, and after all that work of planting
> those 33!
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
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