Re: [nafex] Dwarf Geraldi Mulberry

Have attempted to graft Geraldi on at least a couple of occasions, with no success... don't know if there was/is an issue with the M.alba rootstock, or viability of the scionwood, but I rarely have problems getting successful grafts of mulberry...

Lucky Pittman


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Re: [nafex] Dwarf Geraldi Mulberry

Geraldi is not as hardy as Illinois everbearer. I tried planting it 3
different times in zone 5b SE Michigan and though it bore wonderful fruit,
it never made it through more than a few winters. I wish it had...

Mike Levine
Ann Arbor, MI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

> Geraldi Dwarf came through this past winter that was consistently cold and
> hit minus 20° F. It's now loaded with fruit which I tasted last year and
> was very delicious.
>
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> > On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:22 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > any thoughts on the hardiness of Geraldi? is it as hardy as Illinois
> > Everbearing?
> >
> > ~mIEKAL
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net>
> wrote:
> >> Geraldi mulberry stays dwarf when grafted on other rootstock. Mine is
> not over 7 feet tall and diameter about the same and is over 15 years. It
> is dwarfed because of the short distance
> >> between the nodes. Since the nodes are so close and the fruit normal
> size it appears more heavy loaded than any other mulberry. I have taken
> softwood cuttings this spring and trying
> >> to root, have had no success with cuttings taken winter pruning.
> >>
> >> Lester H. Davis
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: "Steven Covacci" <filtertitle@gmail.com>
> >> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:33:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
> >>
> >> Does Morus alba cv. 'Geraldi Dwarf' stay dwarfed when grafted unto a
> >> typical M. alba rootstock.. a few feet above ground? I like to bury the
> >> graft union when dealing with dwarfs to maintain this characteristic;
> just
> >> buried the union on my M. latifolia 'Kokuso-20' and in the past had
> done so
> >> with me M. nigra 'Black Beauty' (doing well so far; NJ Zone 6b/7a.. a
> few
> >> years and just a few fruit this year; not vigorous.. buried the union.)
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I live 100miles southwest of Atlanta. Winter of 2014 low temp was 12
> >>> degrees for a short while and then not over 32 all day. Winter of
> 2015 had
> >>> low of 11 degrees for a short while and not over
> >>> 32 all that day. No die back at all, none, then the Pakistan began to
> >>> leaf out in late Feb during a warm-up. Then we had a few more frosts
> and
> >>> most all leaves fell. It did put out new growth and
> >>> there were a few fruit this year. I would say this happens 3 out 4
> >>> years, but when it does come to a full fruiting year it is loaded.
> The
> >>> tree is 15 years old and over 30 feet tall and still growing,
> >>> wish I had kept it pruned. I have a 'Geraldi' dwarf mulberry, same
> age,
> >>> heavy producer over a long period of time. A black fruit with good
> taste,
> >>> for a small yard it is an ideal.
> >>>
> >>> Lester H. Davis
> >>> Columbus, GA
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Devin Smith via nafex" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> To: "Mailing List at Ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters" <
> >>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> Cc: "Devin Smith" <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:08:45 PM
> >>> Subject: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
> >>>
> >>> I have been thinking about trialing Pakistan mulberry here in Vermont.
> I
> >>> understand that it is a real long shot, but given the fact that much
> of the
> >>> limitation seems to revolve around 'low chill' requirment, it might
> just
> >>> work. Hardiness-wise, I understand Atlanta area saw sub-zero temps.
> for a
> >>> couple of nights this past winter. Did those of you in the south who
> are
> >>> growing Pakistan experience severe dieback this winter? I'm thinking
> that
> >>> our winter weather is consistent enough that the trees would stay
> dormant,
> >>> and then I could 1. grow them on the own roots so they can resprout if
> need
> >>> be and 2. plant in a protected spot with some extra protection as
> people do
> >>> with figs. They sure are delicious, so I think its worth a shot.
> >>>
> >>> I also noticed perusing the GRIN database that several other similar
> >>> selections are available, listed as Morus macroura or 'himalayan
> mulberry.'
> >>> One in particular DMOR 9 looks similar to 'pakistan', though a bit
> >>> scrawnier, and the description seems to suggest zone 5 hardiness,
> though on
> >>> second look I noticed this is merely a snippet from a seed savers
> exchange
> >>> write-up about the species. Anyone know anything about hardy
> higher-chill
> >>> macroura selections that might be a good stand in for
> >>> 'pakistan'?
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Re: [nafex] Dwarf Geraldi Mulberry

Geraldi Dwarf came through this past winter that was consistently cold and hit minus 20° F. It's now loaded with fruit which I tasted last year and was very delicious.

Lee Reich, PhD
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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:22 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> any thoughts on the hardiness of Geraldi? is it as hardy as Illinois
> Everbearing?
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net> wrote:
>> Geraldi mulberry stays dwarf when grafted on other rootstock. Mine is not over 7 feet tall and diameter about the same and is over 15 years. It is dwarfed because of the short distance
>> between the nodes. Since the nodes are so close and the fruit normal size it appears more heavy loaded than any other mulberry. I have taken softwood cuttings this spring and trying
>> to root, have had no success with cuttings taken winter pruning.
>>
>> Lester H. Davis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Steven Covacci" <filtertitle@gmail.com>
>> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:33:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
>>
>> Does Morus alba cv. 'Geraldi Dwarf' stay dwarfed when grafted unto a
>> typical M. alba rootstock.. a few feet above ground? I like to bury the
>> graft union when dealing with dwarfs to maintain this characteristic; just
>> buried the union on my M. latifolia 'Kokuso-20' and in the past had done so
>> with me M. nigra 'Black Beauty' (doing well so far; NJ Zone 6b/7a.. a few
>> years and just a few fruit this year; not vigorous.. buried the union.)
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I live 100miles southwest of Atlanta. Winter of 2014 low temp was 12
>>> degrees for a short while and then not over 32 all day. Winter of 2015 had
>>> low of 11 degrees for a short while and not over
>>> 32 all that day. No die back at all, none, then the Pakistan began to
>>> leaf out in late Feb during a warm-up. Then we had a few more frosts and
>>> most all leaves fell. It did put out new growth and
>>> there were a few fruit this year. I would say this happens 3 out 4
>>> years, but when it does come to a full fruiting year it is loaded. The
>>> tree is 15 years old and over 30 feet tall and still growing,
>>> wish I had kept it pruned. I have a 'Geraldi' dwarf mulberry, same age,
>>> heavy producer over a long period of time. A black fruit with good taste,
>>> for a small yard it is an ideal.
>>>
>>> Lester H. Davis
>>> Columbus, GA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Devin Smith via nafex" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> To: "Mailing List at Ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Cc: "Devin Smith" <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:08:45 PM
>>> Subject: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
>>>
>>> I have been thinking about trialing Pakistan mulberry here in Vermont. I
>>> understand that it is a real long shot, but given the fact that much of the
>>> limitation seems to revolve around 'low chill' requirment, it might just
>>> work. Hardiness-wise, I understand Atlanta area saw sub-zero temps. for a
>>> couple of nights this past winter. Did those of you in the south who are
>>> growing Pakistan experience severe dieback this winter? I'm thinking that
>>> our winter weather is consistent enough that the trees would stay dormant,
>>> and then I could 1. grow them on the own roots so they can resprout if need
>>> be and 2. plant in a protected spot with some extra protection as people do
>>> with figs. They sure are delicious, so I think its worth a shot.
>>>
>>> I also noticed perusing the GRIN database that several other similar
>>> selections are available, listed as Morus macroura or 'himalayan mulberry.'
>>> One in particular DMOR 9 looks similar to 'pakistan', though a bit
>>> scrawnier, and the description seems to suggest zone 5 hardiness, though on
>>> second look I noticed this is merely a snippet from a seed savers exchange
>>> write-up about the species. Anyone know anything about hardy higher-chill
>>> macroura selections that might be a good stand in for
>>> 'pakistan'?
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Re: [nafex] 'Kim' mulberry

Thanks Rob

Is Kim available through Cliff? Or you?

It appears that Kim is larger by far than any of the other mulberries on
the plate, several of which are highly regarded (for mulberries ;). Is the
tree productive? Full size? Are the berries sweet, sweet-tart, or something
else? Any other insights?

Thanks!

-Pete
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Re: [nafex] NAFEX annual meeting 2015

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:

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In the past more than once I've been blocked by ibiblio if I included a
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> As I'm using Mozilla I signed on
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It doesn't work that way.


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Re: [nafex] Dwarf Geraldi Mulberry

any thoughts on the hardiness of Geraldi? is it as hardy as Illinois
Everbearing?

~mIEKAL



On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net> wrote:
> Geraldi mulberry stays dwarf when grafted on other rootstock. Mine is not over 7 feet tall and diameter about the same and is over 15 years. It is dwarfed because of the short distance
> between the nodes. Since the nodes are so close and the fruit normal size it appears more heavy loaded than any other mulberry. I have taken softwood cuttings this spring and trying
> to root, have had no success with cuttings taken winter pruning.
>
> Lester H. Davis
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Steven Covacci" <filtertitle@gmail.com>
> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:33:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
>
> Does Morus alba cv. 'Geraldi Dwarf' stay dwarfed when grafted unto a
> typical M. alba rootstock.. a few feet above ground? I like to bury the
> graft union when dealing with dwarfs to maintain this characteristic; just
> buried the union on my M. latifolia 'Kokuso-20' and in the past had done so
> with me M. nigra 'Black Beauty' (doing well so far; NJ Zone 6b/7a.. a few
> years and just a few fruit this year; not vigorous.. buried the union.)
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Lester Davis <lhdavis8@knology.net> wrote:
>
>> I live 100miles southwest of Atlanta. Winter of 2014 low temp was 12
>> degrees for a short while and then not over 32 all day. Winter of 2015 had
>> low of 11 degrees for a short while and not over
>> 32 all that day. No die back at all, none, then the Pakistan began to
>> leaf out in late Feb during a warm-up. Then we had a few more frosts and
>> most all leaves fell. It did put out new growth and
>> there were a few fruit this year. I would say this happens 3 out 4
>> years, but when it does come to a full fruiting year it is loaded. The
>> tree is 15 years old and over 30 feet tall and still growing,
>> wish I had kept it pruned. I have a 'Geraldi' dwarf mulberry, same age,
>> heavy producer over a long period of time. A black fruit with good taste,
>> for a small yard it is an ideal.
>>
>> Lester H. Davis
>> Columbus, GA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Devin Smith via nafex" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Cc: "Devin Smith" <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:08:45 PM
>> Subject: [nafex] Pakistan mulberry
>>
>> I have been thinking about trialing Pakistan mulberry here in Vermont. I
>> understand that it is a real long shot, but given the fact that much of the
>> limitation seems to revolve around 'low chill' requirment, it might just
>> work. Hardiness-wise, I understand Atlanta area saw sub-zero temps. for a
>> couple of nights this past winter. Did those of you in the south who are
>> growing Pakistan experience severe dieback this winter? I'm thinking that
>> our winter weather is consistent enough that the trees would stay dormant,
>> and then I could 1. grow them on the own roots so they can resprout if need
>> be and 2. plant in a protected spot with some extra protection as people do
>> with figs. They sure are delicious, so I think its worth a shot.
>>
>> I also noticed perusing the GRIN database that several other similar
>> selections are available, listed as Morus macroura or 'himalayan mulberry.'
>> One in particular DMOR 9 looks similar to 'pakistan', though a bit
>> scrawnier, and the description seems to suggest zone 5 hardiness, though on
>> second look I noticed this is merely a snippet from a seed savers exchange
>> write-up about the species. Anyone know anything about hardy higher-chill
>> macroura selections that might be a good stand in for
>> 'pakistan'?
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Re: [nafex] NAFEX annual meeting 2015

On 6/2/2015 11:56 AM, Lawrence London wrote:
> Your own emails are in your Gmail 'Sent Mail' "folder".

Good Morning Lawrence,

I always received copies of my own messages through ibiblio when I had
the AOL address. Doesn't make sense that I should not be receiving it
through Gmail. I really believe the problem lies at ibiblio not Gmail.
In the past more than once I've been blocked by ibiblio if I included a
picture in a message or included attachments. So when I don't get a
copy of my own message I can't but help wondering if I've done something
wrong once again and ibiblio has blocked me once again. As I'm using
Mozilla I signed on directly with Gmail to see if Gmail wasn't passing
it on to Mozilla. Yes, I clicked on the view all messages at Gmail which
would allow me to see anything their security blocked. My ibiblio
messages aren't at Gmail either. What doesn't make sense to me is why
isn't ibiblio passing my messages through to Gmail as it did when using
AOL?

One reason I like to see my messages come back to me is too often a form
such as the registration form gets re-margined and and so the printed
copy isn't usable by the reader. And I don't like to attach a PDF due to
past problems with ibiblio blocking attachments. I understand their
security concerns and the reason for blocking attachments. But more than
once in the past they have turned me off due to attachments and then you
get me turned back on then they turned me back off again. I don't like
to assume my messages are getting through. You know the old expression,
assume "(_ass_ _u_ _me)_ makes an ass /of/ u /& /me."

Looks to me like there should be a way to have ibiblio pass my Gmail
originated messages back to me just as it did with AOL.

Lawrence, I really appreciate all your help to me personally and what
you do for NAFEX.

Jerry
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