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Sunday, November 30, 2014

Re: [nafex] How the date came to the U.S.

Thanks for posting this, Doug. The Popenoes were from this area. I didn't
hear anything about them growing up but have become fascinated when running
across them in my historical research in the past year.

Megan Lynch
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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Re: [nafex] Cloudberry

http://www.twiningvinegarden.com/Rubus-chamaemorus-seeds-p/rubus-cham.htm is
in Canada, but they ship to the US.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Naomi Counides <naomi@oznayim.us> wrote:

> I have a friend looking for Cloudberry starts or seed. Anyone know of a US
> source?
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Monday, November 24, 2014

[nafex] OSU horticulturist lists least toxic sprays and treatments for fruit trees

OSU horticulturist lists least toxic sprays and treatments for fruit trees<https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.oregonlive.com/hg/index.ssf/2014/11/fruit_tree_disease_prevent_wit.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTNzM2MzM3MjY2MTUyNDE3Njc0NDIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFKOC-rtPq1KUfuUtFo58PYXKsLVA>
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Face next season's fruit tree disease and pest problems by making a preventative strategy now. Since late winter is a good time to plant bareroot trees, ...

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Wednesday, November 19, 2014

[nafex] Unmarketable black walnuts must be cracked to be separated from marketable nutmeats

Stenospermocarpic fruit linked to unmarketable black walnuts<https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://phys.org/news/2014-11-stenospermocarpic-fruit-linked-unmarketable-black.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTYwMTcyMTY0Nzg4NjIxNzM0MjUyGmRmZTAxMjc3N2JlODQ1YTY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNF3hOJE1eT5sAbjWXR9eIxTo2cBfg>
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Black walnut (Juglans nigra L.) is native to much of the eastern United States and is highly valued for its nuts and timber. Black walnut fruit generally ...

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Monday, November 17, 2014

Re: [nafex] loneroc re MN447s

Hank Parker
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> On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:59 PM, tanis grif via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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Re: [nafex] single digit freeze, trees nopt dormant?

Big trees, or new plantings? I have a couple mature apple trees which always face the deep freeze with some leaves still on, green but freeze-dried by earlier frosts. They always grow well the next year, so I try not to worry. They were grown from scionwood collected locally, from trees surviving tough winters, so that helps with not worrying.

Younger trees, I try to mulch if a drastic temperature drop is forecast. But then you have to be sure of your vole excluders.

I've recently been trying more trees in pots, until they reach 6-7' height. I can move these to appropriate shelter when needed, but, they can't take the worst winter cold.

tc, s.WI, winter




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Okay, so what can I expect? Some of my trees still had leaves on them,
green ones, and it is supposed to go down to 7 tomorrow night.

Naomi

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[nafex] loneroc re MN447s

Can't find your current email address in this darned yahoo mail. Can you please post something, or email me, or phone? Thanks.
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Friday, November 14, 2014

[nafex] single digit freeze, trees nopt dormant?

Okay, so what can I expect? Some of my trees still had leaves on them,
green ones, and it is supposed to go down to 7 tomorrow night.

Naomi

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014

Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] Crunch: Modern apple growing; the club

Thanks for this article, more well written than most fruit articles in the
mainstream press.

This caught my eye:

"Minnesota growers who did not wish to join were allowed to plant up to a
thousand trees—subsequently increased to three thousand—but could sell the
apples only at farmers' markets, local grocery stores, and farm stands.
Only Next Big Thing was entitled to sell the apples commercially—i.e., to
wholesalers and grocers."

I did not realize that managed varieties could be grown by some farmers but
not wholesaled. Is this common with managed varieties? That makes the whole
thing much more palatable to me. In fact, I feel great about managed
varieties now! I liked a lot about it, but it felt too restrictive, that
parts of the public who technically funded some of this research were not
allowed to enjoy the fruits, if you will.

-matt
z5 se MI

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> See
> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/11/21/crunch
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Tuesday, November 11, 2014

Monday, November 10, 2014

Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] "Club" apple varieties

Duh - it helps to click on the link before replying ;)

-Pete


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Re: [nafex] [ARTICLE] "Club" apple varieties

There was a long story on this same topic this morning on NPR - Morning
Edition I think...

-Pete


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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:26 AM, <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:

> See
> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/11/10/358530280/
> want-to-grow-these-apples-youll-have-to-join-the-club>
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[nafex] [ARTICLE] "Club" apple varieties

See
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/11/10/358530280/want-to-grow-these-apples-youll-have-to-join-the-club>

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Friday, November 7, 2014

Re: [nafex] Blight resistant American Chestnuts

Yes, if you read the links I sent, from a group involved in a breeding program to introduce Chinese chestnut genes into a hybrid that is overwhelmingly American chestnut, you will see that the fungus causes minor cosmetic damage to Chinese chestnuts, but does live in those trees.

Chinese chestnut wood was the source of the fungus in the US, wasn't it? (Or maybe European chestnut?)

Ginda
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On November 7, 2014 8:39:31 AM EST, Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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>On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:
>
>> They are apparently transgenic with a wheat oxalate oxidase gene
>which renders the trees resistant to fungal-associated pathology. They
>make the point that these new trees have more American Chestnut genetic
>material than the complex hybrids such as Dunstan.
>
>From the article:
>
>> This gene doesn't hurt the fungus, but instead detoxifies the acid
>used by the fungus to attack the tree, essentially changing the fungus
>from a pathogen to a saprophyte that lives on the bark of the tree
>without causing significant harm.
>
>So these trees will continue to host the fungus, thereby remaining a
>permanent locus for infection. In many parts of the country, the fungus
>seems to be persistent in any case; but I'm not sure that it's not an
>issue everywhere.
>
>I wonder why they didn't take the resistance genes from the Chinese
>chestnut, instead of from a plant as distantly related as wheat? I
>don't know whether the Chinese chestnut genes allow the tree to
>continue hosting the fungus or not -- does anyone else?
>
>
>-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
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Re: [nafex] Blight resistant American Chestnuts

On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:

> They are apparently transgenic with a wheat oxalate oxidase gene which renders the trees resistant to fungal-associated pathology. They make the point that these new trees have more American Chestnut genetic material than the complex hybrids such as Dunstan.

From the article:

> This gene doesn't hurt the fungus, but instead detoxifies the acid used by the fungus to attack the tree, essentially changing the fungus from a pathogen to a saprophyte that lives on the bark of the tree without causing significant harm.

So these trees will continue to host the fungus, thereby remaining a permanent locus for infection. In many parts of the country, the fungus seems to be persistent in any case; but I'm not sure that it's not an issue everywhere.

I wonder why they didn't take the resistance genes from the Chinese chestnut, instead of from a plant as distantly related as wheat? I don't know whether the Chinese chestnut genes allow the tree to continue hosting the fungus or not -- does anyone else?


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Re: [nafex] Blight resistant American Chestnuts

That's interesting. They are, in a sense, competing with the American Chestnut Foundation

http://www.acf.org/mission_history.php

The ACF also has some blight-resistant trees, and expect to have resistant trees available for planting in about 5 years. They got there by cross-breeding with Chinese chestnuts, but have been re-crossing and re-crossing with American chestnuts, while testing to retain the small number of genes that is responsible for resistence. They are currently working with trees that are 15/16th American.

http://www.acf.org/r_r.php

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> They are apparently transgenic with a wheat oxalate oxidase gene which renders the trees resistant to fungal-associated pathology. They make the point that these new trees have more American Chestnut genetic material than the complex hybrids such as Dunstan.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the trials go...
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141106082032.htm
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Thursday, November 6, 2014

[nafex] Blight resistant American Chestnuts

They are apparently transgenic with a wheat oxalate oxidase gene which
renders the trees resistant to fungal-associated pathology. They make
the point that these new trees have more American Chestnut genetic
material than the complex hybrids such as Dunstan.

It will be interesting to see how the trials go...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141106082032.htm
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Re: [nafex] Honey Locust

The ones I have tasted must have fermented; they tasted sweet, but not
very good. I am open to another try though.

Did you pick up pods that had fallen, or did you pick from the tree?

Betsy Hilborn



On 11/6/2014 6:38 AM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote:
I just had my first real taste of honey locust pod goop and am
absolutely hooked. I'd never really thought much of the assertion that
the pods were "edible", knowing only that it was a lot of work to eat
them and that the stuff inside was kind of sweet. No one ever told me it
tasted like tropical taffy! I've since tried lots of different ways of
getting out the pulp, no of them totally satisfactory. Anyone know the
best way to get the goop out? Its hard to believe so little breeding
work has been done to improve these. It would be great if there was a
seedless pod variety that produced lots of goop. Then it would perhaps
be possible to run the pods through a set of rollers to extract the goop
and perhaps obtain it in quantity. I understand they are dioecious. Does
anyone know if seedless pods with goop are possible from pistillate
trees, or would some kind of sterile polyploid perhaps be required? I
see there is an interest group for honey locust.
Consider me interested.
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Re: [nafex] Honey Locust

Andy Wilson has been working with honey locust for decades.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 11:43:46 -0500 (EST), "PATTY "
<jrplelie@centurylink.net> wrote:
> Devin,
>
> Don't know if you have visited the Honey Locust Agroforestry website
> but it does have some good info. I have spoken to Andy Wilson in the
> past and he sounds pretty knowledgeable but the website and honey
> locusts may be a passing interest for him. However the info they
> have
> online is actually pretty good. This link may help answer your
> question about honey locust pollination.
>
>
> http://faculty.virginia.edu/honeylocust-agroforestry/agroforestry/HoneylocustAgroforestry.htm
>
> Jim Elie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devin Smith via nafex" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:38:45 AM
> Subject: [nafex] Honey Locust
>
> I just had my first real taste of honey locust pod goop and am
> absolutely hooked. I'd never really thought much of the assertion
> that
> the pods were "edible", knowing only that it was a lot of work to eat
> them and that the stuff inside was kind of sweet. No one ever told me
> it tasted like tropical taffy! I've since tried lots of different
> ways
> of getting out the pulp, no of them totally satisfactory. Anyone know
> the best way to get the goop out? Its hard to believe so little
> breeding work has been done to improve these. It would be great if
> there was a seedless pod variety that produced lots of goop. Then it
> would perhaps be possible to run the pods through a set of rollers to
> extract the goop and perhaps obtain it in quantity. I understand they
> are dioecious. Does anyone know if seedless pods with goop are
> possible from pistillate trees, or would some kind of sterile
> polyploid perhaps be required? I see there is an interest group for
> honey locust.
> Consider me interested.

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Re: [nafex] Honey Locust

Devin,

Don't know if you have visited the Honey Locust Agroforestry website but it does have some good info. I have spoken to Andy Wilson in the past and he sounds pretty knowledgeable but the website and honey locusts may be a passing interest for him. However the info they have online is actually pretty good. This link may help answer your question about honey locust pollination.

http://faculty.virginia.edu/honeylocust-agroforestry/agroforestry/HoneylocustAgroforestry.htm

Jim Elie

----- Original Message -----
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To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:38:45 AM
Subject: [nafex] Honey Locust

I just had my first real taste of honey locust pod goop and am absolutely hooked. I'd never really thought much of the assertion that the pods were "edible", knowing only that it was a lot of work to eat them and that the stuff inside was kind of sweet. No one ever told me it tasted like tropical taffy! I've since tried lots of different ways of getting out the pulp, no of them totally satisfactory. Anyone know the best way to get the goop out? Its hard to believe so little breeding work has been done to improve these. It would be great if there was a seedless pod variety that produced lots of goop. Then it would perhaps be possible to run the pods through a set of rollers to extract the goop and perhaps obtain it in quantity. I understand they are dioecious. Does anyone know if seedless pods with goop are possible from pistillate trees, or would some kind of sterile polyploid perhaps be required? I see there is an interest group for honey locust.
Consider me interested.
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[nafex] Honey Locust

I just had my first real taste of honey locust pod goop and am absolutely hooked. I'd never really thought much of the assertion that the pods were "edible", knowing only that it was a lot of work to eat them and that the stuff inside was kind of sweet. No one ever told me it tasted like tropical taffy! I've since tried lots of different ways of getting out the pulp, no of them totally satisfactory. Anyone know the best way to get the goop out? Its hard to believe so little breeding work has been done to improve these. It would be great if there was a seedless pod variety that produced lots of goop. Then it would perhaps be possible to run the pods through a set of rollers to extract the goop and perhaps obtain it in quantity. I understand they are dioecious. Does anyone know if seedless pods with goop are possible from pistillate trees, or would some kind of sterile polyploid perhaps be required? I see there is an interest group for honey locust.
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Tuesday, November 4, 2014

Re: [nafex] Pawpaws

Wow! Very interesting list! I am liking my northern pecans!

-Pete


Pete Chrisbacher
Kennett Square, PA

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Very interesting.
>
> This report has a larger list of foods high in Proanthocyanidins in Table
> 1. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/3/613.long#T1
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2014 4:35 AM, Larry D. Cook via nafex wrote:
>
>> I didn't know this about Pawpaw
>> Larry D. Cook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In captivity, the diet should include nutritious fruits with oil soluble
>> vitamins, like the North American paw paw, dried cranberries and
>> pomegranates where available. These fruits are invaluable as they contain
>> condensed tannins called proanthocyanidins that prevent E. coli bacteria
>> from attaching to cells in the digestive tract. Green Junglefowl are
>> particularly vulnerable to Marek's disease, mycoplasma, pseudomonas and a
>> host of other ailments that attack the digestive tract and
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaws

Very interesting.

This report has a larger list of foods high in Proanthocyanidins in
Table 1. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/3/613.long#T1


On 11/4/2014 4:35 AM, Larry D. Cook via nafex wrote:
> I didn't know this about Pawpaw
> Larry D. Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In captivity, the diet should include nutritious fruits with oil soluble vitamins, like the North American paw paw, dried cranberries and pomegranates where available. These fruits are invaluable as they contain condensed tannins called proanthocyanidins that prevent E. coli bacteria from attaching to cells in the digestive tract. Green Junglefowl are particularly vulnerable to Marek's disease, mycoplasma, pseudomonas and a host of other ailments that attack the digestive tract and
>
>

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[nafex] Pawpaws

I didn't know this about Pawpaw
Larry D. Cook






In captivity, the diet should include nutritious fruits with oil soluble vitamins, like the North American paw paw, dried cranberries and pomegranates where available. These fruits are invaluable as they contain condensed tannins called proanthocyanidins that prevent E. coli bacteria from attaching to cells in the digestive tract. Green Junglefowl are particularly vulnerable to Marek's disease, mycoplasma, pseudomonas and a host of other ailments that attack the digestive tract and

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