Re: [nafex] rooting kakis / persimmons

RE: rooting kakis

For what this is worth
About 10 to 15 years ago we developed a method for in which we was stooling
persimmons some of you out there may still have some of them but it was
abandoned due to it was taking 2 to 3 year to bring off a crop of trees
In most cases we just do not have that kind of time to produce a crop of
nursery material / trees

But Lee R. was right by burying the grafted trees far below ground level and
inducing a type of slow injury to most any plant will cause adventitious
root to develop

We did it for about 4 to 5 year and then in Oct. 2004 I was call back to the
military / Army to serve in Iraq and well much of those project when to the
way side I'm still on the mends which has taken me over 10 year but by far
better than I was in 2006 some of those trees are thickets now and producing
fruit and have not been dug in years and for that matter most likely will
not be but the rooting or stool bedding of trees is not a new method

The issue at hand is time why take 2,3, even 4 year to stool trees when you
can graft one spring and produce trees that are 4, 5 ,6 feet tall and well
branched and ready to produce fruit

Rooted trees take a very long time to produce fruit I do not know why and it
is a draw back to the process and we should examine it again but the method
is to just to slow to make any production of it profitable at this level

This is just my 2 cents worth

Happy New Years

Cliff

Thank you
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1. Re: rooting kakis (Lee Reich)
2. Example of stonefruits nut trees thriving in high-water,
acidic soi (Alan Haigh)


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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:51:49 -0500
From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
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I never tried this myself. I read about the technique many years ago in some
book.

Lee Reich, PhD
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> On Jan 8, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Trees that don't root from cuttings still sometimes root above grafts to
> rootstock when planted too deep, however the experiment with kakis planted
> at a slant, leaving a stretch of the scion in contact with soil is
evidence
> that kakis might not. though certainly not proof. The slow strangulation
> by way of copper wire might induce above rooting where other methods fail.
> You'd just have to try it with a few trees to know.
>
> Lee, do you know of species this trick has been attempted successfully
with?
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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:57:27 -0500
From: Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com>
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Subject: [nafex] Example of stonefruits nut trees thriving in
high-water, acidic soi
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These terms, extreme acidic soil are not very specific. How about an
actual number? I've seen very productive apple trees with healthy foliage
as low as 5.2 pH. All the Cornell emphasis on a pH about 7 is an attempt
to get calcium into apples for storage, although I'm not sure if there is
research backing this up- I know varieties can produce calcium deficient
apples at that pH. Other sources suggest a pH of between 5.5 and 6.5, so
obviously apples are fairly adaptable.

According to Childers in his classic book "Fruit Science" there are some
very productive orchards in the south bordering the Mississippi river where
there is something like a permanent 18" water table. The key is for it to
contain a fairly constant layer of well aerated soil.

I once made a deal with a commercial apple grower in upstate NY of planting
nursery trees in between trees in new rows of replants. The soil was a
pretty heavy clay and in early spring every year had water pooled up on the
surface well into first growth. It was a very productive orchard with
impressive yields by any standard. Bruce Sallinger was the owner who also
owns an orchard in Putnam County, NY (Sallinger's). You can contact him if
you have any questions about that. It was an orchard he purchased after
going through the same agony of indecision you are. It was formerly a
dairy farm.


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