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A Northeast Gardener's Year
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Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:34 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Interesting concept. Do you provide any heat in the hoophouse? If not, how is it any different than having the figs outside? I
>
> No heat. In Wisconsin the hoophouse would extend the frostless
> growing season by 6 weeks in each end of the season... Concentrates
> and collects the heat. Reduce wind damage to zero. Protection from
> bird predation. Makes it much easier to keep the roots of the figs
> from freezing. Figs also do fine producing on first year wood so I'm
> focusing on varieties that ripen early.
>
>
>
>>> wouldn't have thought that figs would set fruit on new sprouts from
> the ground. I would have guessed they'd only fruit on new wood coming
> off of second year wood.
>
> I think that's pretty much what's happening, the sprouts are coming
> from the top of the stump that's left. it also seems like sprouts are
> coming from below the stump and they don't set fruit.
>
>
>>> Of course figs are naturally bushy, whereas jujubes seem to be trees. I don't know how they would do being cut to the ground. It does sound like jujubes can survive down to -28 (probably depending on variety, as some are listed at just -10.)
>
>
> this is mostly what I was wondering, maybe I can just keep a few of
> them growing as dwarfs and wrap them the way some people wrap figs...
>
>
>>> Traditionally people bend the fig trees to the ground and cover them, rather than cut them to the ground. Could you do that in your hoophouse?
>
>
> with the number of figs that I'm putting in that would be way too much
> work, but I'll probably try it for a tree or two...
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>> Interesting concept. Do you provide any heat in the hoophouse? If not, how
>> is it any different than having the figs outside? I wouldn't have thought
>> that figs would set fruit on new sprouts from the ground. I would have
>> guessed they'd only fruit on new wood coming off of second year wood.
>>
>> Of course figs are naturally bushy, whereas jujubes seem to be trees. I
>> don't know how they would do being cut to the ground. It does sound like
>> jujubes can survive down to -28 (probably depending on variety, as some are
>> listed at just -10.)
>>
>> Traditionally people bend the fig trees to the ground and cover them, rather
>> than cut them to the ground. Could you do that in your hoophouse?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> Jay Cutts
>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
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>> On 1/3/2017 8:28 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>>
>>> I've put up a hoophouse to grow figs in z4 Wisconsin. The figs will
>>> all be cut back to the ground each year, covered with bales of hay and
>>> the varieties chosen that will ripen fruit the quickest... I wonder
>>> if this technique would work for jujubes, since you say the fruit is
>>> set on new growth. I imagine the season length in the greenhouse will
>>> be something like early April - November...
>>>
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is the (very quick) reply from Dr. Shengrui Yao:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jay,
>>>> Winter hardiness is one thing and the other issue is the frost free
>>>> days-length of growing season. If you season is too short, most cultivars
>>>> could not be fully mature.
>>>> To me, the frost free days is more critical than winter low temperature
>>>> in
>>>> your area. But you can get 1-2 cultivars and try it.
>>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>>
>>>> Shengrui
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>>>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>>>> (505)-281-0684
>>>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/2016 5:06 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the growing season at 7000 feet in New Mexico?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any chance of learning which cultivars survived at the Sustainable Ag
>>>>> Science Center in Alcalde?
>>>>>
>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
>>>>> Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>> On Wed, 12/28/16, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jujube
>>>>> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
>>>>> Experimenters"
>>>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2016, 4:14 PM
>>>>> Thanks, Mark. I had seen
>>>>> the original research report. I thought Alcalde
>>>>> was more like 5000 but could be wrong. I think
>>>>> I remember the report
>>>>> saying that they
>>>>> weren't getting fruit at Alcalde.
>>>>> In any case you inspired me to write directly
>>>>> to Dr. Yao to see what she
>>>>> thinks.
>>>>> This is one of the things I
>>>>> appreciate about this list so much. Great
>>>>> expertise and enthusiasm among you all!!
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jay
>>>>> Jay
>>>>> Cutts
>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>>>>> (505)-281-0684
>>>>> 10 am to 10 pm
>>>>> Mt Time, 7 days
>>>>> On
>>>>> 12/28/2016 2:52 PM, mark wessel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most
>>>>> recent Hort Science has an article "Jujube, an Alternative
>>>>> Fruit crop for the Southwestern US". The author is from
>>>>> New Mexico State. Evidently they are trialing over 50
>>>>> cultivars at the Sustainable Ag Science Center in Alcalde.
>>>>> It is at least 5700 ft elevation. They referenced a
>>>>> hardiness to -30C or -22F.
>>>>>> The authors
>>>>> name is Shengrui Yao.
>>>>>> Also, Gordon
>>>>> Tooley of Tooleys trees may have some insight into hardiness
>>>>> in NM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Jay Cutts
>>>>> <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has
>>>>> anyone successfully grown jujube in zone 5 or colder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in NM
>>>>> at 7000 feet. There are a number of trees that I've
>>>>> tried here that ought to grow in even colder climates but
>>>>> which get their tops killed in the winter. I think it's
>>>>> a combination of temperature (record lows have been -25),
>>>>> wind, strong sun, dryness, thaw and freeze. The trees that
>>>>> have topped-killed include Illinois Everbearing mulberry,
>>>>> American persimmon, and walnuts. The American persimmons
>>>>> eventually get tough enough growth to survive, but any
>>>>> grafted plants lose the grafted portion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>> concerned that the tops of jujubes would not make it. Any
>>>>> experience?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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