Re: [nafex] Jay Cufts Szukis persimmon comment

Jerry, You're right about not necessarily wanting to kill a rootstock. I just threw that out as a way to do it, if desired. For instance, for an own-rooted pawpaw.

I have only two persimmon varieties: Mohler and Szukis. The few grafts I've made of my Szukis, which originally came from John Gordon, have all borne well and quickly. I made a new Szukis tree a few years ago and it's planted about 200 feet from my older Szukis/Mohler combo tree. I imagine it's self-pollinated. I'll go out today and check for fruits.

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> On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 1/8/2017 8:49 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
>> A variation on that is to pt a copper wire loosely around the graft union before you bury/mound it. The scion eventually roots and the wire eventually constricts roots below the graft to kill the rootstock.
> Lee,
>
> All of us I'm sure appreciate your experienced input on many subjects. I have been a fan of yours for many years. But I do question why would you want to kill the original rootstock? In this case it's virginiana on virginiana so I don't see any harm. But if you burying the graft union of kaki on virginiana I would think you would want to keep the virginiana as it is considered a superior rootstock, more fibrous having more feeder roots.
>
> My success of using root cuttings to produce a clone has been quite good. I like to get roots 1 inch in diameter and about 18 inches long, plant them in a vertical position with the top just below the surface of the soil.
>
> I would like to relate my experience with Szukis. The fruit is great. When Bill Heiman and I 1st acquired Szukis from Claypool which was grafted on his A-90, we both made 3 graft son 3 separate under stock's. I believe Claypool got his scion from Doug Campbell in Canada who as I recall lived very close to the ortet. Of our grafts one graft came back pistillate, one came back staminate, and the 3rd bisexual. Also some branches will put on both pistillate and staminate flowers. I've often wondered if it is actually a cimera, but I don't believe so as seeds from Szukis X Szukis produce 100% pistillate trees? If there are any nurseries out there that want to sell seedlings that will come back 100% females use Szukis X Szukis seed and be sure stray pollen has not gotten in. And the fruit of those seedlings is very similar to Szukis.
>
> Jerry Lehman
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