Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

I'm pretty sure Oikos pawpaws would be seedlings rather than grafted.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> Robert from the Men's and Women's Garden Club of Minneapolis has had great luck growing pawpaws from seed he got from Oikos.
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 9/6/15, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
> To: "Anton Callaway" <marillen@earthlink.net>, "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2015, 7:48 AM
>
> I'm about 200 miles north of the
> native range of pawpaws, I was
> thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness
> issue, but
> maybe there is something else going on. A few of my
> grated trees that
> died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe
> 1/2" or
> more caliper. Everyone has winterkilled, scion and
> rootstock.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until
> I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had
> 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most
> annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above
> the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.
> >
> > Anton
> > NC Piedmont
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
> >>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
> >>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied
> Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and
> observation
> >>
> >>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> >>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's -
> container-grown pawpaws that I
> >>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later,
> often grew for a year or two,
> >>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and
> the understock re-grew.
> >>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that
> were topworked to named
> >>> selections... no decline or death of the
> grafted variety.
> >>>
> >>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than
> chunk 'em in the ground and
> >>> walk away, they might have fared better.
> >>Lucky,
> >>
> >>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if
> others have had the same
> >>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to
> abort the graft the
> >>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not
> heard reports of
> >>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be
> problematic with
> >>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike
> for being
> >>transplanted.
> >>
> >>In thinking about personal experience. I've only
> planted 3 grafted
> >>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2
> years. One that did
> >>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year.
> But my experience with
> >>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
> I believe it was
> >>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them
> sufficiently. We
> >>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted
> pawpaws.
> >>
> >>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from
> the IDNR nursery.
> >>I also have a wild population and took the tractor
> back and brought in
> >>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring
> in the Mycorrhizae
> >>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the
> holes of every other one
> >>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can
> hall 200 gallons at a
> >>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I
> had also applied
> >>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before
> planting. They were
> >>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky,
> not trying to put
> >>your method down as it's difficult not to do much
> else when planting
> >>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active
> growth had begun which is
> >>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them
> using the Omega or
> >>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived
> past the 1st year
> >>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a
> be a total failure,
> >>and after all that work of planting those 33!
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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