Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

Robert from the Men's and Women's Garden Club of Minneapolis has had great luck growing pawpaws from seed he got from Oikos.

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4

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On Sun, 9/6/15, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
To: "Anton Callaway" <marillen@earthlink.net>, "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2015, 7:48 AM

I'm about 200 miles north of the
native range of pawpaws, I was
thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness
issue, but
maybe there is something else going on.  A few of my
grated trees that
died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe
1/2" or
more caliper.  Everyone has winterkilled, scion and
rootstock.

~mIEKAL



On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until
I tried at my most recent site.  At this site, I've had
100% failure, though understocks do great.  The most
annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above
the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.
>
> Anton
> NC Piedmont
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied
Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and
observation
>>
>>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's -
container-grown pawpaws that I
>>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later,
often grew for a year or two,
>>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and
the understock re-grew.
>>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that
were topworked to named
>>> selections... no decline or death of the
grafted variety.
>>>
>>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than
chunk 'em in the ground and
>>> walk away, they might have fared better.
>>Lucky,
>>
>>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if
others have had the same
>>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to
abort the graft the
>>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not
heard reports of
>>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be
problematic with
>>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike
for being
>>transplanted.
>>
>>In thinking about personal experience. I've only
planted 3 grafted
>>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2
years. One that did
>>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year.
But my experience with
>>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
I believe it was
>>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them
sufficiently. We
>>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted
pawpaws.
>>
>>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from
the IDNR nursery.
>>I also have a wild population and took the tractor
back and brought in
>>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring
in the Mycorrhizae
>>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the
holes of every other one
>>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can
hall 200 gallons at a
>>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I
had also applied
>>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before
planting. They were
>>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky,
not trying to put
>>your method down as it's difficult not to do much
else when planting
>>potted pawpaws.)  After planting when active
growth had begun which is
>>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them
using the Omega or
>>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived
past the 1st year
>>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a
be a total failure,
>>and after all that work of planting those 33!
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
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