Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation

I'm about 200 miles north of the native range of pawpaws, I was
thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness issue, but
maybe there is something else going on. A few of my grated trees that
died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe 1/2" or
more caliper. Everyone has winterkilled, scion and rootstock.

~mIEKAL



On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.
>
> Anton
> NC Piedmont
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
>>
>>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I
>>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two,
>>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew.
>>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named
>>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety.
>>>
>>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and
>>> walk away, they might have fared better.
>>Lucky,
>>
>>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same
>>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the
>>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of
>>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with
>>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being
>>transplanted.
>>
>>In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted
>>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did
>>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with
>>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was
>>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We
>>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws.
>>
>>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery.
>>I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in
>>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae
>>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one
>>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a
>>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied
>>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were
>>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put
>>your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting
>>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active growth had begun which is
>>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or
>>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year
>>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure,
>>and after all that work of planting those 33!
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
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