Re: [nafex] trezibond date

Lee,

Do you know if the trees widely planted in the West, are regular Russian olive or the variety /orientalis/?

The Russian olive has been widely planted here but only the kind with small silvery fruit.

The follow up question is: if they planted the large-fruited variety, did the invasive seedlings still have the large fruit?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4

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On Mon, 9/12/16, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 4:17 AM

I started some seed from
fruit in a bag such as the one pictured. I have one
seedling. In my experience, and that of others, the plants
succumb to summer heat and/or humidity in eastern U.S. My
one seedling is a couple of years old. I will be planting it
out (it's in a pot) this fall and see how it fares through
winter and next summer. The tree has been widely planted in
western US, where it was introduce by the USDA, and grows
well there — too well; it's now banned there as an
invasive. It's quite beautiful with its red fruits
standing out against the gray green foliage.


Lee Reich,
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> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:18 PM, PATTY <jrplelie@centurylink.net>
wrote:
>
> Jerry,
Here's what a bag of E. orientalis looks like.  Oh, I
missed another synonym, Lotus tree fruit.  It is definitely
not a Diospyros.  Traversing so many Middle Eastern
cultures hasn't helped the list of names. 
>
> http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed
>
> Jim Elie
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Jerry
Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34
PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond
date
>
> On 9/11/2016
8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>  (This
red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously
as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum,
Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit
eaten in that part of the world.)
> It
sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names.
Nothing
> new here. The 1st message on
the subject refers to cleaning the seed
> with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date
where D. lotus it could have up to
> 8
seeds. Jerry Lehman
>
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