Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 193, Issue 1

Jerry, There are Kelly's Old Timey Apples (263 Hen Reasor Rd, Big Stone Gap, VA 24219 and he is on Facebook) and Fahey (Singing Tree, 588 Turner Rd, Oxford, NY 13830) He does everything by mail so send a self-addressed/stamped envelope and he will send you his list) that also have very nice scion wood offerings. Maple Valley Orchard's Tony Dembski has actually retired but you may be able to get a few sticks from him.

Also, the Home Orchard Society in the Pacific Northwest is duplicating Nick Botner's collection and may start offering scion wood this spring. It was hinted at in a recent article but I don't know that for sure. Botner's collection is definitely the largest private collection.

Good Luck,

Jim

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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:23:54 +0000
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> [...] Also, does anyone know a decent apple scion wood source other than Fedco, Maple Valley, and Masonville?

These folks have significant scionwood offerings:

Ron and Suzanne Joyner
Big Horse Creek Farm
http://bighorsecreekfarm.com/
oldapple@bighorsecreekfarm.com
(availability list to be posted shortly)

Derek Mills
Hocking Hill Orchard
http://www.fourseasonscabinrental.com/hockinghillsorchard.html
derekcs2005@aol.com
(E-mail Derek for current variety list)

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[nafex] Nick Botner's collection

Pete, may I print the article in the next Pomona?

Thanks.

Jackie

Jacquelyn Kuehn

pennsacreskitchen.net

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[nafex] Temperate Orchard Conservancy

Article for and about apple variety lovers. This is a monumental project underway in Oregon to save Nick Botner's collection. There was a presentation about this at a NAFEX meeting in Oregon a few years back.

http://civileats.com/2016/12/05/where-have-all-the-apples-gone-and-can-these-farmers-bring-them-back/

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Re: [nafex] Urban Homestead still in business?

We live in the same area. At this point no one is actively managing the
business, though one of Tim's younger sons may at some point.

Have plans in place for untimely death, especially if the
business/germplasm dispersal depends on you!

Richard Moyer
SW VA

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> Does anyone know if oldvaapples.com in Bristol VA is still in business?
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> Tim Hensley, the owner, has died; way too young. Nice guy, too.
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> The email address on their website gave me a 'postmaster no go'
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:23:54 +0000
> From: Richard <murphman108@msn.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Is Urban Homestead still in business?
>
> [...] Also, does anyone know a decent apple scion wood source other than Fedco, Maple Valley, and Masonville?

These folks have significant scionwood offerings:

Ron and Suzanne Joyner
Big Horse Creek Farm
http://bighorsecreekfarm.com/
oldapple@bighorsecreekfarm.com
(availability list to be posted shortly)

Derek Mills
Hocking Hill Orchard
http://www.fourseasonscabinrental.com/hockinghillsorchard.html
derekcs2005@aol.com
(E-mail Derek for current variety list)

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[nafex] Is Urban Homestead still in business?

Dear NAFEX squad;


Does anyone know if oldvaapples.com in Bristol VA is still in business?


Tim Hensley, the owner, has died; way too young. Nice guy, too.


The email address on their website gave me a 'postmaster no go'


urbanhomestead@aol.com doesn't work.


Also, does anyone know a decent apple scion wood source other than Fedco, Maple Valley, and Masonville?


Thank you all.


Murph

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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

Thanks Matt,
Important consideration.

I had planned to overwinter my presumed hybrid or kaki with my pawpaws
and presumed American persimmon seedlings. I have them all in 1 gallon
approx 12" deep tree pots. I cluster them together in a block with any
gaps between pots filled with wet straw and or newspaper. The perimeter
of the block consists of large buckets filled with water. They are in an
outdoor shelter on a concrete pad. I water weekly.

Last year, I had 99% survival of pawpaws, but there were no
kakis/hybrids to consider. Our lows were not too bad- just down to 6
degrees F or so for a couple of nights.

I will certainly reassess my plans.

Betsy

On 11/30/2016 5:02 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
> I'm not sure what your overwintering plan is, but in my experience
> wintering seedlings in pots, persimmons are some of the most difficult. I
> generally experience 100% death if they are kept outside above ground over
> winter, even in a sheltered location or with leaves or chips mounded around
> the pots. Same with paw paws, BTW.
>
> I generally only had success overwintering them in pots by bringing them
> into my ancient stone basement, where they probably averaged 45-50 degrees
> all winter. I checked for moisture and watered them once or twice, and they
> leafed out fine when brought up in May after most frosts. I tried the same
> with my figs in pots, and the problem was they wanted to leaf out in Feb or
> March, which is way too early in m location. The persimmons wouldn't leaf
> out until it got warm, so they were fine.
>
> I'm guessing Kaki are even more freezing sensitive. These were all straight
> American.
>
> Matt
> zone 5, SE MI
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> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
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>> Thank you. I am wondering if the seedlings are hybrids with D. virginiana
>> as the leaves are not as thick and leathery as D. kaki, but wider than D.
>> viginiana.
>>
>> I am hoping that if they are hybrids, it will confer additional winter
>> hardiness.
>>
>> If they are hybrids, are there any special culture methods to follow?
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/2016 10:40 PM, Jerry Lehman wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/24/2016 3:54 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have some seedlings started from seeds saved from D. kaki fruits. I
>>>> have learned on this list that growing these trees up to maturity is
>>>> sometimes problematic.
>>>> Does anyone have suggestions or advice to improve my chances of success?
>>>>
>>>> I was planning to overwinter in pots this year and to set out in
>>>> permanent sites next spring with the intention of providing vigilant care.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>> Zone 7a, NC
>>>>
>>> Hello Betsy,
>>>
>>> You're in zone 7a which improves your chances but still not guaranteed.
>>> My zone 7 chart says 0 Fahrenheit average minimum low temperature. That's
>>> average which means occasionally it can get lower than that and based on my
>>> experience kaki winter damage begins at 0 and -10 normally spells death.
>>> Can you put it on the south side of your home, like only a few feet from
>>> your home. I have kept kaki several years 2 feet from the south side of my
>>> house and they fruited but when it got the -15 there wasn't enough
>>> protection.
>>>
>>> Jerry
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>>>

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