[nafex] In California, a treasure hunt for Gold Rush-era Fruit and Nut Trees (NPR)

In California, A Treasure Hunt For Gold Rush-Era Fruit And Nut Trees http://n.pr/1PmEQCo
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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in
> Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept
> this is well-maintained.
>

> They must be setting on top of some good natural gas wells in order to be
> able to afford to heat all of those greenhouses.
>

http://www.britannica.com/place/Bashkortostan
Extreme temperatures of −49 °F (−45 °C) in the winter
Oil and natural gas <http://www.britannica.com/science/natural-gas> are
extracted from oil <http://www.britannica.com/topic/oil-chemical-compound>
fields near Ufa <http://www.britannica.com/place/Ufa-Russia> and Neftekamsk
in the northwest, at Belebey in the west, and at Ishimbay
<http://www.britannica.com/place/Ishimbay> on the middle Belay
http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html
Now they need to free themselves of the tyranny of oil extraction (60
percent of the local economy); they need to diversify before it is too
late.

http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html
Bashkortostan: Waking the 'Russian Switzerland'
The Republic of Bashkortostan (Bashkiria), nicknamed the "Russian
Switzerland" because of its natural resources, is discreetly developing its
tourist potential, far from the beaten track.
Bashkortostan is the leading producer of milk in Russia, and its honey
<http://rbth.com/travel/2013/06/09/harvesting_honey_the_old-fashioned_way_26889.html>,
like that of Altai, has a great reputation.
Slowly but surely, the people of Bashkiria <http://rbth.com/tag/bashkiria>
are regaining consciousness of their national identity within the Russian
Federation. For a number of businesspeople, tourism has become a way of
enhancing the regional heritage and accelerating a return to its roots.

>
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>

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Re: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing

Good Morning Hector,

I met a friend of yours last week, Don Boklage. He was a conference in
Lexington and Kentucky I gave a talk on commercial production of persimmon.

I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in
Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept
this is well-maintained. They must be setting on top of some good
natural gas wells in order to be able to afford to heat all of those
greenhouses.

https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

Jerry



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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Lawrence (all),

So I found the name intriguing: Stayman Starkspur Winesap

So a couple of questions, is it really a Stayman class apple, in other words does it taste like Stayman (see footnote #1)?

And is this a tight spur tree like a columnar tree? I am looking to graft some decorative trees for some friends in NC, but I really need a columnar form for their landscape needs.

I checked there does not seem to be many cedars around them, so the usual CAR issue with Stayman should not be an overwhelming issue.

I assume this is also triploid that is fairly vigorous and has the usual pollen problems?

regards,

the fluffy one

Footnote(s)

#1 Stayman is an apple, when well grown, I find very pleasant to snack on, never complicated but interesting texture with a pleasant, yet light, vinous flavor). It is one of the best apples I can think of to eat very chilled after a very hard workout or after a lot of digging when you are hot and thirsty. It is refreshing like a cold Seven-up. I bought a few at a farmers market in D.C. back in November and finished them off all too quickly after my workouts and digging in the garden. What a nice pick me up.

And, drum roll, Stayman is very good with Le Gruyere cheese. The dry, crumbles and moderate yet intense flavor of Le Gruyere pairs very well with the sprightly and juicy Stayman. The bonus comes in with the texture interplay. Stayman has that Mac/Snow type texture, crisp but like a snowcone as is dissolves in you mouth, it work so well with the dry crumbly texture of Le Gruyere. I only mention this as it took me a while to find a cheese that worked well with Stayman. Kerry gold Dublinger was my runner up with Stayman but falls far short with this particular apple. Go with the Le Gruyere. For a more substantial snack add a pumpernickel rye with a little ground mustard or horseradish.

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From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:07:52 -0500

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
> wrote:

> I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well,
> more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left
> from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to
> arouse my senses.


Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh
is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into
May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in
the country near me in NC.
Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank
meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped
Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat.


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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com
> wrote:

> I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well,
> more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left
> from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to
> arouse my senses.


Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh
is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into
May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in
the country near me in NC.
Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank
meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped
Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat.


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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Jerry,

Thank you for the additional input.

I find Jazz of all things to be the biggest offender in this regard. The were on sale for 2.39 a lb so I bought 5 apples. Well of the 3 we ate two were starch with a hint of sweetness and one had a level of flavor but was clearly past prime. The other two I am guessing are starchier and will store for a few weeks. :(

I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well, more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to arouse my senses.

You are so clearly right about tastes. I am fortunate that I still have my taste buds and a rather developed palate. So I am all over the place in my taste in apples, vinous, aromatic, balanced, tart, sweet and the oddities like Sweet 16 all delight me.

A wonderful Nafex buddy sent me some apples this year, and I we had a tantalizing euphoric experience with the complexity of his Holstein, Elstar, and Karjminji, totally awesome and the woman, boy and I were just delighted. Awesome Honeycrisp too, but while ever so pleasing it just did not excite the imagination like Karminji did but certainly warmed the soul.

Happy New Year every one. And please let's try and make this list a bit more active. It is too good a resource to languish.

The fluffy bunny


--- jwlehmantree@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
To: fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:34:52 -0500

On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck.
>
> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one.
The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time
in storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is
dependent upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I
bought a variety from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple,
large, very very crisp (literally snaps when you bite into it), very
juicy but flat on flavor. My son believed it was the most awesome apple
he ever bit into, I wouldn't give you a nickel for bushel basketful of
them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as firm (even mealy after storage), not
nearly as juicy but full of fantastic flavor by my taste buds. All of
my neighbors make regular trips to the tree as they love it. The point
is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to everyone. I have
purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after sitting on the
kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _

To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test
varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2,
Crapshoot-3 etc.

Jerry




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Re: [nafex] Envy Apple

Thanks, all, for the input.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
>
>> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and
>> sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to
>> say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling.
>> There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same
>> variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste
>> great but the remaining 3 may suck.
>>
>> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that
>> there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the
>> consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been
>> very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good
>> tasting one.
>>
> The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time in
> storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is dependent
> upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I bought a variety
> from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple, large, very very crisp
> (literally snaps when you bite into it), very juicy but flat on flavor. My
> son believed it was the most awesome apple he ever bit into, I wouldn't
> give you a nickel for bushel basketful of them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as
> firm (even mealy after storage), not nearly as juicy but full of fantastic
> flavor by my taste buds. All of my neighbors make regular trips to the tree
> as they love it. The point is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to
> everyone. I have purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after
> sitting on the kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _
>
> To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test
> varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2, Crapshoot-3
> etc.
>
> Jerry
>
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