Re: [nafex] My poor young quince--more options

Now that you mention rust, I do remember that another reason I removed
the Chaenomeles was that 2 of three bushes were severely affected by
rust. I remember one variety - the name has escaped me, bore the
majority of edible fruit as most fruit was infected and inedible on the
two other varieties.

I have the same problem with serviceberries. Most years I get no edible
fruit.

We must have a bad location (humid valley) as I see Eastern Red cedars
everywhere around here. I do not think everyone in this area has these
severe rust issues.

Betsy Hilborn
7a NC


On 5/22/2016 8:27 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> I have seen rust on Chaenomeles - but not here at the house.
> Saw a particularly ugly infestation on a single pear tree, years ago when I
> was visiting the old Dr. Alexander Nunn orchard at Lochapoka AL... needless
> to say, I didn't bring any budwood from that one...
> I'm not certain which strains of the rust fungus I have here. Certainly
> cedar-apple, as I see the lesions on some apples (Gold Rush) and native
> crabs. Last couple of years, I've lost virtually my entire mayhaw crop to
> rust infestation - mostly just hits the developing fruits, but I do have
> one grafted selection (I've lost the IDs) that develops some ugly stem
> lesions that necessitate pruning out. Have not experienced rust on the
> serviceberries here, but some we planted at the elementary school my kids
> attended, about 2 miles away, get hit pretty hard most years.
>
> Plenty of J.virginiana around. Barring some blight that selectively took
> them out, cedar-something rust is always going to be a factor.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one tries
>> to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough keep me
>> exploring.
>>
>> I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles
>> bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others)
>> purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the
>> plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually
>> discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.
>>
>> I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place,
>> although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.
>>
>> I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>>
>>> Betsy,
>>> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have
>>> noticed
>>> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
>>> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight. And we have LOTS of rust
>>> fruiting on cedars this year.
>>>
>>> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
>>> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
>>> as alternate hosts. See
>>>
>>> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
>>>
>>> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
>>> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops)
>>> from
>>> this pectin rich fruit. Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds
>>> in
>>> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
>>>
>>> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
>>> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002. I suspect some of this is
>>> still
>>> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
>>> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
>>> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
>>>
>>> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles. Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
>>> and 'Toyo Nishiki'. I like the latter for the large size of the both the
>>> mature bush and it's fruit. These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
>>> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
>>> mulch. But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
>>> been noted. Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
>>> wet winters.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
>>> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
>>> to our farm 8 years ago.
>>>
>>> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
>>> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
>>> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
>>> few anymore know what to do with it. Though some remember elders their
>>> families making jelly. Have transplanted suckers from some of those
>>> plants
>>> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
>>> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
>>> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
>>> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
>>> for ornamental reasons.
>>>
>>> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
>>> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
>>> fruits that don't work here (so far).
>>>
>>> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
>>> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
>>> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures. Creative chefs also
>>> like the challenge.
>>>
>>> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so
>>> far
>>> this year.
>>> Richard Moyer
>>> SW VA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>>>
>>>> Betsy,
>>>>
>>>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
>>>>
>>> because of rust. If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a
>>> 10
>>> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
>>> rust. My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
>>> which was purported to be resistant to rust. It is not. I took out the
>>> tree last year. The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
>>> Special. It is also showing a lot of rust. I expect it will be yanked
>>> out, too in a few years.
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the bad news. I love the fruit also.
>>>>
>>>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago. It is certainly
>>>>
>>> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor. It gets rust, but not
>>> so severely that I want to remove it. It also has a wonderful fragrance
>>> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the
>>> exfoliating
>>> bark is quite ornamental. You might contact him for more information.
>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anton
>>>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>>>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
>>>>>
>>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
>>>>>
>>>> leaves.
>>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>>>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>>>
>>>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>>>> infection? I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>>>> every year is so bad....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>>>> 7a Central NC
>>>>>
>>>> __________________
>>>

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