Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?

Right, these trees are called Early Richmond, I neglected to write the
full name on the tags, so now I keep forgetting that that is the
actual name. All the cherry trees were planted in the exact same
block and to some extent intermixed. The fruits of the Early Richmond
I have are noticeably smaller, not much larger than the Nankings I
grow, actually. The North Star (& Montmorency) that I lost were all 3
year old trees and I personally wonder if that had more to do with
winterkill. I've never heard of chilling requirements affecting
winter hardiness.

~mIEKAL


On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
<sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
> 'Richmond' (actually 'Early Richmond') is an old tart cherry variety that ripens a few days before 'Montmorency' but produces slightly smaller fruit. It is not known for being especially cold hardy, and I wonder whether the 'Northstar' trees you lost because their chilling requirement had been fulfilled, while the 'Early Richmond' trees had not. I suppose that the chilling requirements of both could be found somewhere on the Internet. Or, were the 'Early Richmond' trees planted in a less cold-prone location? -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (Zone 4)
>
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> The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Mr. Fluffy,
>>
>> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>>
>> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>>
>> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>>
>> Anton
>> North Carolina Piedmont
>> Zone 8
>>
>>
>>
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>>>Gang,
>>>
>>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>>
>>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>>
>>>the fluffy one
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