Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Betsy,
ALL my 90-C persimmons bear partially to fully seeded fruit. I do not have
a 'male' cultivar in the orchard.
I don't know for certain what ploidy the local natives are...but
historically, the Ohio River has been considered to be the dividing line
between 90-C and 60-C races - and I'm easily 100 miles south of the Ohio.

I do have Early Golden, Garretson, and some of that family in the orchard,
and they are noted for throwing out male branches...so that could be a
possibility.
Think Saijo is the sole surviving kaki here; there may be a Hana Fuyu stuck
somewhere in a nursery row - and it would probably be big enough to be
flowering...if it can do so in the shade of the oaks/walnuts/pecans growing
in close proximity to it in adjoining rows.

Lucky

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Steven Covacci <filtertitle@gmail.com>
wrote:

> sometimes persimmon trees sport male branches on female trees;
> self-pollination seems to be the MOST PROBABLE case here.. not cross
> pollination.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,
> >
> > I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally
> > though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the
> > first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I
> > will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.
> >
> > I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about
> > it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all
> > been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not
> > appear viable.
> >
> > Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.
> >
> > Betsy Hilborn
> >
> >
> > On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
> >
> >> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a
> >> Kaki that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male
> blooms
> >> almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
> >> that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it
> >> closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two.
> If
> >> so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
> >> possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the
> Yates
> >> seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
> >> Lester H. Davis
> >> Columbus, GA
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> >> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters" <
> >> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
> >> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
> >> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
> >> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
> >> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
> >> I have planted in my orchard as well.
> >>
> >> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
> >> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
> >> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
> >> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
> >> presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
> >> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
> >> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
> >> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
> >>
> >> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
> >> properties within at least 1 mile...
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Betsy Hilborn
> >> 7a central NC
> >>
> >>
> >>
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