Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024 (1/1)

I think saving the archives is great.  As a long-time member, the
archives are important, but my eyes spin around when I try to understand
how to do anything with the archive or the list-serve. I'm lucky I can
reply.  Others can, and one day I might get it and enjoy perusing the
archives.

Barbara Rosholdt

Virginia Z 7a

On 5/5/2024 12:00 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024
>
> Table of contents:
>
> 1. [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know
> how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list
> owners? - Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> 2. Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone
> know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list
> owners? - Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>
>
> End of nafex Digest Sun, 05 May 2024

Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list owners?

All the NAFEX list message archives, in readable form, up to the SYMPA transition, available on thumb drive.

Originally the NAFEX list was for NAFEX members only and the message archives were not made public, only accessable by members with login.

Eventually consensus was that there were many people with interest, knowledge and expertise who should have full access to the list so that change 

was made and later the archives were made public, a huge upgrade. Archives were now searchable with Google. Now it looks like things have returned to the stone age.

It is a good thing that I had the foresight to download the entire NAFEX list message archives, possible with the Mailman server software. They include all messages from the Yahoo days up to the present NAFEX

people coming on board as co administrators. They have a copy of this on the thumb drive I sent them. I have copies of those archives backed up on several hard drives. If anyone wants a copy of this on 

thumb drive or microsd chip you can contact me at lfljvenaura@gmail.com and we can work out getting them to you. It takes 16 gb storage media. I doubt the sympa server allows archive downloads

so members will depend on their list subscriptions for archiving. Those who want this valuable resource can send me the drive plus a self addressed stamped envelope and I will copy and send you the archives.

I am doing this cost recovery only, no $$$, only the materials I mentioned. I downloaded my permaculture list archives too if anyone wants that. I am doing this a volunteer to help further the cause of NAFEX list members

who contributed so much over so many years, Lehman and Rombaugh especially.

Lawrence London

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 3:53 AM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:

Repeat: NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface?

I have a lot of lists at ibiblio, including this one I share

since 1992 put 1000's of hours and $$ into them and my ibiblio websites, not a trivial amount of work

a previous nafex list owner and I saved this list from Yahoo when I had it recreated at ibiblio; he left, I took over, now share it with others

Originally I made the archives readable by the public like all my other lists at ibiblio

Now I can't even read my own permaculture list archives because it is locked behind a SYMPO cyberbarricade

Just wasted an hour trying to "log in" to the list web interface and read the archives; follow instructions, NO GO. SYMPO can't even handle the simplest procedure

I kept entering all the correct login info and it never processed it, start over, give up.

Anyone know what is going on or how to access the archives? Leslie?

I volunteered my work for others, i.e. the general public, to enjoy and learn from. Noone is going to go through what seems to be required to read the archives now.

So, all my work, down the drain and I can;t even enjoy it myself. The Mailman server worked perfectly. 

Am I missing something?

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[NAFEX] NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface? other list owners?

Repeat: NAFEX list website and message archives have changed - anyone know how to read the archives online through the web interface?

I have a lot of lists at ibiblio, including this one I share

since 1992 put 1000's of hours and $$ into them and my ibiblio websites, not a trivial amount of work

a previous nafex list owner and I saved this list from Yahoo when I had it recreated at ibiblio; he left, I took over, now share it with others

Originally I made the archives readable by the public like all my other lists at ibiblio

Now I can't even read my own permaculture list archives because it is locked behind a SYMPO cyberbarricade

Just wasted an hour trying to "log in" to the list web interface and read the archives; follow instructions, NO GO. SYMPO can't even handle the simplest procedure

I kept entering all the correct login info and it never processed it, start over, give up.

Anyone know what is going on or how to access the archives? Leslie?

I volunteered my work for others, i.e. the general public, to enjoy and learn from. Noone is going to go through what seems to be required to read the archives now.

So, all my work, down the drain and I can;t even enjoy it myself. The Mailman server worked perfectly. 

Am I missing something?

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lfljvenaura@gmail.com

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

According to the late AJ Bullard, who imported 'Pakistan' with Mike McConkey of Edible Landscaping Nursery, it originated at Islamabad, Pakistan.  Coldest temperature of record there is 28F. 

As a result, Dr. Bullard recommended planting with graft union below ground level so that WHEN, not IF, it froze to the ground, it could re-sprout.  

I had a 'Pakistan', from Edible Landscaping... planted with graft union below grade.  It froze to the ground, 3 consecutive years... regrowing 8-10 ft each subsequent year, but never managing to ripen fruit.  I am located on the z6b/7a interface (now 7a by the 'new' USDA hardiness map) 20 miles north of the KY/TN line.  I dug it up and potted it with the intent of taking it to my Dad, who lived on the z7/8 interface in central  AL... but misplaced it somewhere along the way. 

Lucky Pittman

Hopkinsville, KY

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Henry via NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

 What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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[NAFEX] Trademarks

Is there a location where I can search for trademarks (or other) for the various fruit trees?

Want to make sure I give the person their due.

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: [NAFEX] mulberry question

Yes, it's from Pakistan. Here in Carmel, IN (recently upgraded to zone 6),
the trunk will survive the winter if you put a cylinder of chicken wire
around it and fill the cylinder with leaves, but the parts of the tree that
aren't covered will die.

About 10 years ago, I put a potted Pakistan outside in April and it got
pollinated by whatever males were in the neighborhood. Out of a couple
dozen seedlings, I got two that had long flowers, but both were males.
They are only a little more hardy than Pakistan. The main trunk survives
the winter but most of the branches get killed back. I've tried crossing
one of the males back to Pakistan or to Illinois Everbearing, but it
doesn't seem to create viable seeds. If anyone else would like to try, I
can provide scionwood. It can be propagated by grafting or from cuttings,
although only one of the eight cuttings I tried set roots.

Fred Bruns

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 12:04 PM Henry via NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:

> What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?
>
> Is it a species from Pakistan?
>
> How hardy is it?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5
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[NAFEX] mulberry question

What is the story about /Morus macroura / 'Pakistan'?

Is it a species from Pakistan?

How hardy is it?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, recently upgraded to Zone 5


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[NAFEX] Fwd: [MIGRATION OUTAGE] Re: lists.ibiblio.org outage and change Jan 29-31

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[NAFEX] Fwd: [MIGRATION OUTAGE] lists.ibiblio.org outage and change Jan 29-31

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and we prioritized looking at migrations that had stayed with self-hosted
Free/Libre and Open Source Software (F/LOSS), as well as migrations done by
institutions similar to ours. We considered several of the options and
eventually settled on one that has an active community, good documentation,
and multiple large universities that have been public about their migration
from the same system we currently have to this solution.

The reason we have accelerated this change and are implementing it now is
that our parent institution has support for complying with new rules from
Google and Yahoo!
<https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentication-spam-protection/>
about mail signing (and other factors) for bulk mail. There is no way for
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using our existing platform.

The reason why this outage is taking multiple business days has two parts.
The first is that we have relatively few staff given the size of our
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confidently migrate our systems is to take additional time to test while
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Q: Do I need to forward this to my mailing list?

A: Not necessarily, but you may choose to do so, and we encourage you to do
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Q: If something is broken after the migration, who can I talk to?

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[NAFEX] Bashkortostan in the news today (protests against russia) Here are links to Lemonary In Bashkortostan and Jerry Lerhman's trip there to study their plum varieties

My posts to this list and others:

Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He documented
the trip with text and video
Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
project. A Google site: search might find it.

nafex] Lemonary in Bashkortostan & ancient wild-hive beekeeping.
https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2012-February/046138.html

Lots more links about the lemonary and wild hive beekeeping:
https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

Lemonary In Bashkortostan

https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan

(upload of Jerry Lehman's .pdf file attached to nafex post)

Lemonary in Bashkortostan.pdf

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVka2VlcGluZ3xneDo3MDYwNmY2NGM4MzZmMWUy

The Lemonarium Website (many pages with excellent photographs):

http://lemonarium.ru/index.html
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Flemonarium.ru%2Findex.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3pCzwsrQ5AxjzQqW__XtMM>

Also about the lemonary:

http://www.greencom.ru/en/firm_info.html/fID/442
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greencom.ru%2Fen%2Ffirm_info.html%2FfID%2F442&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AOvVaw3QPPmLXiW0clDUAKUlbkFU>

Experimental Instructional Farm of the Ufimsk Forest Husbandry Technical
School

Wholesale, Manufacture

Russia, Bashkortostan Resp, Ufimskiy r-n, Ufa g, Mingazheva Str., 126,
office: Mendeleeva Str. 152 / 2

+7 3472 52-2000

+7 3472 28-8030

The Farm demonstrates produce of the ornamental plant nursery "Ufimsk
Lemonary" for growing citrus and exotic crops (varying-age seedlings of
lemon, pomegranate, laurel, fig tree, etc.) and specimens of lemon fruit of
different varieties and forms. The farm has been growing citrus crops on an
area of 1 ha in protected ground for over 15 year.

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Re: [NAFEX] currants

Just my opinion, but I consider Pixwell to be pretty much inedible: tough skin and tart flavor. But I agree that gooseberries can tolerate shade and need it in hot climates. My favorite gooseberries for flavor and disease resistance are Hinnonmakis Yellow, Poorman, Black satin, and Captivator. And some of the British varieties — such as Jumbo and Whitesmith — which I no longer grow because of their disease susceptibility.

Le

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•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally
•Growing Figs in Cold Climates
• Fruit: From the USDA Pomological Watercolor Collection (Tiny Folio)

> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu> wrote:
>
> Betsy,
> While they are not superb 'dessert' varieties, in my experience
> Glendale and Pixwell will handle hot humid southern zone6/7 settings... but
> like to have protection from blazing afternoon sun. I'd put them forward
> as two selections to trial initially.
> Before I 'knew better', I had Pixwell in full, all-day sun. It grew well
> and fruited OK for years, but I suspect it did not enjoy where it was
> planted.
>
> Lucky Pittman
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:09 AM Elizabeth Hilborn via NAFEX <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
>> Barbara,
>> How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?
>> I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?
>>
>> I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7
>> land where I have access.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:
>>> Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!
>>>
>>> Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...
>>>
>>> Barbara Rosholdt Zone 6c/7a
>>>
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Re: [NAFEX] currants

Betsy,
While they are not superb 'dessert' varieties, in my experience
Glendale and Pixwell will handle hot humid southern zone6/7 settings... but
like to have protection from blazing afternoon sun. I'd put them forward
as two selections to trial initially.
Before I 'knew better', I had Pixwell in full, all-day sun. It grew well
and fruited OK for years, but I suspect it did not enjoy where it was
planted.

Lucky Pittman

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> Barbara,
> How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?
> I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?
>
> I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7
> land where I have access.
>
> Thank you,
> Elizabeth
>
> On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:
> > Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!
> >
> > Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...
> >
> > Barbara Rosholdt Zone 6c/7a
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Re: [NAFEX] currants

Barbara,
How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?
I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?

I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7
land where I have access.

Thank you,
Elizabeth

On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:
> Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!
>
> Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...
>
> Barbara Rosholdt   Zone 6c/7a
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[NAFEX] currants

Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!

Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...

Barbara Rosholdt   Zone 6c/7a

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Re: [NAFEX] currants

Good to see 'old familiar' names surfacing... Jackie, Richard, Donna (we do
talk from time to time).

I remember my last discussion with Lucille, some years back, about
gooseberries... seems that she'd never been able to successfully grow
'Glenndale', which I *think* I have here... better than Pixwell, and grows
well in a spot that is shaded in the hot afternoon.

Lucky Pittman
GREAT crop of pecans & hickories here in 2023.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:20 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red
> currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago,
> so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from
> her climate.
>
> So good to hear from you all—I miss you!
>
> gratefully,
>
> Jackie
>
>
> Jacquelyn Kuehn
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> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500
> > From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio
> > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>,
> nafex
> > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations
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> > I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry
> bushes
> >
> > https://noursefarms.com/
> >
> > They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble
> with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who
> aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the
> insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better.
> Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious
> jelly.
> >
> > Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than
> most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but
> it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.
> >
> > On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
> >> from. She's a master propagator.
> >>
> >> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red
> Currant
> >> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
> >> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
> >> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both
> sites
> >> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
> >>
> >> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
> >> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the
> top,
> >> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
> >> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
> >> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
> >> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
> >> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd
> run
> >> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
> >>
> >> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
> >> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
> >>
> >>
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
> >>
> >> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
> >> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
> >>
> >> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be
> foraging
> >> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of
> students
> >> 3 weeks ago.
> >> Richard Moyer
> >> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
> >> 90s.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> >>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
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> >>> Cc:
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> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
> >>> Jackie,
> >>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going
> to
> >>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman
> Farms:
> >>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
> >>>
> >>> Lucky Pittman
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
> >>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
> >>>> place to purchase it?
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jackie Kuehn
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
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> >>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> >>>>> (Lawrence London)
> >>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
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> >>>>> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
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> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
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> >>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to
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> >>>>> ------------------------------
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> >>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
> >>>>> Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> American Persimmon
> >>>>> Diospyros virginiana
> >>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
> >>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if
> we
> >>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
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> >>>>>
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[NAFEX] currants

Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago, so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from her climate.

So good to hear from you all—I miss you!

gratefully,

Jackie

Jacquelyn Kuehn
jakuehn@verizon.net

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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500
> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>, nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations
> Message-ID: <A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes
>
> https://noursefarms.com/
>
> They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.
>
> Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.
>
> On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>> from. She's a master propagator.
>>
>> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>>
>> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>>
>> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>>
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>>
>> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>>
>> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>> 3 weeks ago.
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>> 90s.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>>> Jackie,
>>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
>>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>>
>>> Lucky Pittman
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>>>> place to purchase it?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Kuehn
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>> (Lawrence London)
>>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>>> CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
>>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
>>> documented
>>>>> the trip with text and video
>>>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
>>>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
>>>>> Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>
>>>>> American Persimmon
>>>>> Diospyros virginiana
>>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
>>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
>>>>>
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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations

I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes

https://noursefarms.com/

They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.

Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.

On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>from. She's a master propagator.
>
>Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>
>European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>
>Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>
>I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>
>Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>3 weeks ago.
>Richard Moyer
>SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>90s.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>> Jackie,
>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>
>> Lucky Pittman
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>> > place to purchase it?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Jackie Kuehn
>> >
>> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
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>> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > > (Lawrence London)
>> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > > Message: 1
>> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
>> > > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
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>> > CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> > >
>> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > >
>> >
>> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>> > >
>> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
>> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
>> documented
>> > > the trip with text and video
>> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
>> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>> > > From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
>> > > Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> > >
>> > > American Persimmon
>> > > Diospyros virginiana
>> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>> > >
>> > > --Henry Fieldseth
>> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations

Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
from. She's a master propagator.

Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)

European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.

Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc

I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.

Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
3 weeks ago.
Richard Moyer
SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
90s.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
> Jackie,
> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>
> Lucky Pittman
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
> > place to purchase it?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jackie Kuehn
> >
> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> > >
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> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > > (Lawrence London)
> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
> > > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > > Message-ID:
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> > CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > >
> >
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
> > >
> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
> documented
> > > the trip with text and video
> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
> > > Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > American Persimmon
> > > Diospyros virginiana
> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
> > >
> > > --Henry Fieldseth
> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
> > >
> > >
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