Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

sometimes persimmon trees sport male branches on female trees;
self-pollination seems to be the MOST PROBABLE case here.. not cross
pollination.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,
>
> I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally
> though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the
> first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I
> will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.
>
> I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about
> it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all
> been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not
> appear viable.
>
> Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.
>
> Betsy Hilborn
>
>
> On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
>
>> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a
>> Kaki that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male blooms
>> almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
>> that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it
>> closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two. If
>> so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
>> possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the Yates
>> seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
>> Lester H. Davis
>> Columbus, GA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
>> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
>> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
>> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
>> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
>> I have planted in my orchard as well.
>>
>> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
>> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
>> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
>> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
>> presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
>> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
>> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
>> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
>>
>> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
>> properties within at least 1 mile...
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> 7a central NC
>>
>>
>>
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