Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Does any of your Kakis have seeds also?   If so I would think you have a Kaki that has male blooms as well as female.  Hanafuyu  throws male blooms almost every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki  varieties
that will rarely have male blooms.   If you have Hanafuyu watch it closely when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two.   If so and you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates   there is a good
possibility they are crossing.   I would certainly like some of the Yates seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition. 
 
Lester H. Davis
Columbus, GA

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From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Hi folks,

I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
I have planted in my orchard as well.

For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
presumably 'females' as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?

I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
properties within at least 1 mile...

Any thoughts?

Betsy Hilborn
7a central NC

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