Re: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?

My "Crandall" yields seedlings from time to time. I recently gave a couple to local friends.

Maybe find someone local who grows them and bum some seedlings off them?

Ginda
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On December 8, 2014 5:37:11 PM EST, "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
>Jeff, to my knowledge the only nursery that ever offered R. odoratum
>seedlings was Bear Creek, in northeastern Washington State.
>Unfortunately, that nursery has been out of business for a number of
>years.
>
>I don't know if anyone really knows whether the true vegetatively
>propagated Crandall selection still exists. The Repository at
>Corvallis has a clonal selection, which was donated by either a
>nursery, breeder, or an enthusiast. Whether it is actually the true
>Crandall is something I don't think anyone knows. The original
>selection was made before 1900 in Kansas. I grew up in west-central
>Kansas, where buffalo currants grow wild and bear profusely. I have
>grown Crandall here in Minnesota and although the plant I had here bore
>heavily, it ripened in late August instead of about July 4 as it ripens
>in Kansas. The selection I grew here in St. Paul lacked the really
>rich and sweet flavor of the wild currants we picked in Kansas. I
>don't think its flowers were as fragrant, either. However, the traits
>my Crandall plant displayed in Minnesota may have been greatly affected
>by the climate and amount of heat available during ripening.
>
>I wish someone would test a number of wild clove currant selections to
>see if any are superior to the Crandall currant that is available from
>nurseries today. Clove currants are not difficult to establish from
>seed; my mother used to throw out the water she washed them in (which
>also contained a lot of seeds from burst berries) in a rough spot near
>our farmhouse, and eventually she had a patch of seedlings. However,
>they never bore enough currants to meet her needs. To get that amount
>the whole family went currant picking each summer along the creeks and
>roadsides as well as in our pastures.
>
>My dad's favorite pie was wild currant pie, which IS delicious served
>warm with vanilla ice cream. Mom canned wild currants so he could have
>currant pie anytime she found the time to make it. And mom made lots
>of wild currant jelly. She even helped me make wine from wild currants
>one year.
>
>We've sort of pussyfooted around the R. odoratum-R. aureum debate that
>botanists are engaged in. Prof. Nils Hansen made a number of golden
>current selections at South Dakota State University a number of years
>ago, but I think all of those have been lost. -- Sam Brungardt, St.
>Paul, Minn.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
>Jeffrey Boulier via nafex
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>Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant?
>
>Hi folks,
>Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall
>selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual
>suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich
>mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some
>seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of
>telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other
>suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different.
>Thanks,Jeff
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