Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Thank you Lucky!

My tree is less vertical, more spreading. than the Kieffer I bought a
few years ago from Century Farms. My first is severely infected with
blight but thrives. I generally live in a blight box (river valley) so
there is no escaping exposure here.

That second Kieffer tree has not borne yet, but is extremely vertical
and free of blight (different site though). The pears on my first tree
are big, look correct compared to photos of Kieffer I have seen. The
fruit is sweet, juicy, sandy, best cooked or dried. A neighbor has an
old Sand Pear (no idea of the origin) but it has a better fresh taste,
less sand, juicer and the fruit is smaller.

As you suggest, maybe most sand pears get labelled with Kieffer.

Elizabeth

On 1/11/2021 2:23 PM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Betsy,
> There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
> few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
> seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...
>
> There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
> presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
> with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
> Dabney, Mooers, etc.
>
> Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
> https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
>> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
>> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>>
>> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
>> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
>> November.
>>
>> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
>> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>>
>> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
>> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
>> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any insight on this.
>>
>> Elizabeth Hilborn
>>
>> Zone 7a, central NC
>>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Betsy,
There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...

There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
Dabney, Mooers, etc.

Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Betsy,
While mislabeling can happen even at the best of nurseries, and it's worse
at places like TyTY - I've gotten more than one tree from a reputable
source that turned out not to be 'as labeled' - I would suspect that you
probably got the real deal from Starks.
If you'd been buying a 'Bartlett' at Lowe's, for instance, I wouldn't at
all be surprised - if it lived -10 years down the road, to find out that it
turned out to be Kieffer. lol.

Did the fruit match up with photos and descriptions of what Kieffer fruit
should be like?
No fruit here this year, and my own Keiffer trees are not yet bearing here,
so I can't attest to harvest period... but almost nothing here is later
than early September... and if it is, the European hornets eat it before
any chance of it ripening on the tree.

Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville, KY

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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[nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Hi folks,

My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.

But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
November.

In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.

What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
had not noticed this discrepancy before.  Are there different varieties
of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?

Thanks for any insight on this.

Elizabeth Hilborn

Zone 7a, central NC

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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees

Whoops -- should have read further down the new emails before posting. Very good to see this also.

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.

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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees

It's a relief to see that! thanks for telling us.

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
>
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard .

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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees

Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne
Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as
The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there
was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.

See: https://historicsites.nc.gov/all-sites/horne-creek-farm

On 11/25/2020 12:14 PM, Rosholdt wrote:
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard . Here's a
> plug:
>
> *Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
> **David C. Vernon*
> physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
> mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
> *telephone:* *336.349.5709*
> *email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
> <mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
>
>
>      Simple Website......Superior Service
>
> https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
>
> On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>>
>> Subject:
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
>> From:
>> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
>> Date:
>> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>>
>> To:
>> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>>
>> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in
>> traffic on
>> the list.
>>
>> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
>> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
>> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties.  During
>> the season some fruits  are available for sale at the local farmers
>> market
>> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
>> always bring any to the market.
>>
>> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
>> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are
>> available.
>>
>> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
>> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay.  The gray stuff
>> hardens
>> into something like concrete,  and when wet can be as slimey and
>> slick as
>> grease.  However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
>> extensive apple collection.  Both Lee and his wife are no longer
>> alive, and
>> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>>
>> >From My Samsung S20 5G
>> 919.357.0863
>>
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