Whoops -- should have read further down the new emails before posting. Very good to see this also.
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
It's a relief to see that! thanks for telling us.
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
>
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard .
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> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
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> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard .
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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne
Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as
The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there
was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as
The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there
was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
See: https://historicsites.nc.gov/all-sites/horne-creek-farm
On 11/25/2020 12:14 PM, Rosholdt wrote:
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard . Here's a
> plug:
>
> *Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
> **David C. Vernon*
> physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
> mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
> *telephone:* *336.349.5709*
> *email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
> <mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
>
>
> Simple Website......Superior Service
>
> https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
>
> On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>>
>> Subject:
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
>> From:
>> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
>> Date:
>> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>>
>> To:
>> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>>
>> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in
>> traffic on
>> the list.
>>
>> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
>> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
>> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
>> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers
>> market
>> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
>> always bring any to the market.
>>
>> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
>> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are
>> available.
>>
>> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
>> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff
>> hardens
>> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and
>> slick as
>> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
>> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer
>> alive, and
>> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>>
>> >From My Samsung S20 5G
>> 919.357.0863
>>
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[nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
I know they are not true to seed. I saved several dozen seeds from a
tasting and ended up with about 12 trees. Of these, I grew to fruiting,
and replaced the icky ones. I have 3 left, and one is being grafted
onto. I ended up with one really nice tree. I wish I could have had
trees like the PA Golden, and others, but pawpaws are like apples - or
people - you really don't know what you will get. As to rootstock, it
is not practically possible to clone pawpaws, subsequently the
rootstocks are seedlings that grow well enough to be grafted. For
updates on the rootstock situation, check with KY State University, the
germplasm repository for North American pawpaws.
Barbara R
Zone 7a/6c Central Virginia
On 11/23/2020 5:03 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> 1. Re: Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
>
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
> From:
> Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> Date:
> 11/23/2020, 5:02 PM
>
> To:
> mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
> Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
> not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
> numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
> tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
> still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
> than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
> from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
>
> So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
> encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
> at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
> etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
> to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
> in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
> named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
> (Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
> Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
> tree.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn<ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucky,
>>
>> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
>> this?
>>
>> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
>> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
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tasting and ended up with about 12 trees. Of these, I grew to fruiting,
and replaced the icky ones. I have 3 left, and one is being grafted
onto. I ended up with one really nice tree. I wish I could have had
trees like the PA Golden, and others, but pawpaws are like apples - or
people - you really don't know what you will get. As to rootstock, it
is not practically possible to clone pawpaws, subsequently the
rootstocks are seedlings that grow well enough to be grafted. For
updates on the rootstock situation, check with KY State University, the
germplasm repository for North American pawpaws.
Barbara R
Zone 7a/6c Central Virginia
On 11/23/2020 5:03 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> 1. Re: Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
>
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
> From:
> Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> Date:
> 11/23/2020, 5:02 PM
>
> To:
> mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
> Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
> not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
> numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
> tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
> still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
> than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
> from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
>
> So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
> encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
> at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
> etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
> to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
> in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
> named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
> (Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
> Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
> tree.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn<ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucky,
>>
>> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
>> this?
>>
>> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
>> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
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[nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard . Here's a plug:
*Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
**David C. Vernon*
physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
*telephone:* *336.349.5709*
*email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
<mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
Simple Website......Superior Service
https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>
> Subject:
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
> From:
> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
> Date:
> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>
> To:
> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in traffic on
> the list.
>
> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers market
> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
> always bring any to the market.
>
> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are available.
>
> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff hardens
> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and slick as
> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer alive, and
> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>
> >From My Samsung S20 5G
> 919.357.0863
>
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*Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
**David C. Vernon*
physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
*telephone:* *336.349.5709*
*email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
<mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
Simple Website......Superior Service
https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>
> Subject:
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
> From:
> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
> Date:
> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>
> To:
> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in traffic on
> the list.
>
> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers market
> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
> always bring any to the market.
>
> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are available.
>
> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff hardens
> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and slick as
> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer alive, and
> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>
> >From My Samsung S20 5G
> 919.357.0863
>
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Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
I am in 6"c"/ 7a in central Virginia, and my Bay is an outdoor summer
plant only. It's pot comes in for the winter. I also blanket my
rosemary plants when the weather turns very cold with winds. I lose my
pastured figs, the potted ones are okay because they stay in an unheated
garage for the winter weather.
Barbara R
Central Virginia Z6c/7a
On 11/21/2020 7:12 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
> From:
> Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> Date:
> 11/21/2020, 6:15 PM
>
> To:
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
>
> I grow Bay laurel in zone 7a in a large pot on the south side of my
> house next to a concrete wall. I have kept it through 4 winters, but
> it, like my Rosemary gets a blanket if the temperature drops below 25
> degrees F.
>
> On 11/21/2020 5:06 PM, Chris Garriss wrote:
>> While I have had no problem 9 years out of 10 with rosemary in NC 7A, I
>> lost every Bay Laurel I ever tried. I had rosemary survive to the point
>> the main trunk on several plants was about 3 inches in diameter.
>> Then we
>> got one of our freak cold snaps which killed the Rosemarys, figs to the
>> ground (they resprout fine).
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> --
> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM
> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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plant only. It's pot comes in for the winter. I also blanket my
rosemary plants when the weather turns very cold with winds. I lose my
pastured figs, the potted ones are okay because they stay in an unheated
garage for the winter weather.
Barbara R
Central Virginia Z6c/7a
On 11/21/2020 7:12 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
> From:
> Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> Date:
> 11/21/2020, 6:15 PM
>
> To:
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
>
> I grow Bay laurel in zone 7a in a large pot on the south side of my
> house next to a concrete wall. I have kept it through 4 winters, but
> it, like my Rosemary gets a blanket if the temperature drops below 25
> degrees F.
>
> On 11/21/2020 5:06 PM, Chris Garriss wrote:
>> While I have had no problem 9 years out of 10 with rosemary in NC 7A, I
>> lost every Bay Laurel I ever tried. I had rosemary survive to the point
>> the main trunk on several plants was about 3 inches in diameter.
>> Then we
>> got one of our freak cold snaps which killed the Rosemarys, figs to the
>> ground (they resprout fine).
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> --
> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM
> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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Tuesday, November 24, 2020
Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
I would talk with Cliff England at England's Nursery. He sells a lot of
seeds and should have some of which you seek.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> You can buy seedlings grown from selected varieties. Burnt Ridge Nursery
> sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
> or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
> Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
>
> Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
> better to start with these already established plants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
> On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> > Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the
> northern end of the range?
> >
> > --Henry Fieldseth
> > Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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seeds and should have some of which you seek.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> You can buy seedlings grown from selected varieties. Burnt Ridge Nursery
> sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
> or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
> Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
>
> Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
> better to start with these already established plants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
> On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> > Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the
> northern end of the range?
> >
> > --Henry Fieldseth
> > Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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