Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The beads appear black to our eyes but the fruit is really an intense
purple, a color, heretofore, impossible to duplicate in a plastic bead.



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From: Jay Cutts
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:00 AM
To: John S ; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the
same spectrum of color as a black fruit.

Regards,

Jay

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On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote:
> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct.
> Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black
> fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out
> eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that.
> But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds.
> My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American
> magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference,
> but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of
> the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to
> detect ripening fruit.
>
> john s
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
> What about
> honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second
> they
> ripen. Jim, have you tried blue
> beads on honeyberries or blueberries?
> Maria
> On
> 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> >
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> > Naomi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> > Sent: Friday,
> January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> > To: mailing
> list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
> Fruth's comments.
> >
> > Alan,
> > You
> have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to
> magazines in
> > US, UK, CA, Australia and
> Russia
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Alan Haigh
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
> comments.
> >
> > Jim, do
> you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
> forum?
> > Some members who don't also
> participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> > I always thought this an
> ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> > foolish for never having tried it as
> you've been sharing this for a very
> >
> long time.
> >
> > I grow
> sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang
> red plastic
> > 'cherries' in the
> trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put
> red painted stones in the
> > strawberries
> as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> > hurt their beaks and don't
> come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> > beads around the perimeter of the red
> raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> >
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry
> beads do not work
> > with blackberry and
> black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the
same spectrum of color as a black fruit.

Regards,

Jay

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Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote:
> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit.
>
> john s
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
>
> What about
> honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second
> they
> ripen. Jim, have you tried blue
> beads on honeyberries or blueberries?
>
> Maria
>
> On
> 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> >
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> > Naomi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> > Sent: Friday,
> January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> > To: mailing
> list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
> Experimenters
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
> Fruth's comments.
> >
> > Alan,
> > You
> have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to
> magazines in
> > US, UK, CA, Australia and
> Russia
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Alan Haigh
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
> comments.
> >
> > Jim, do
> you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
> forum?
> > Some members who don't also
> participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> > I always thought this an
> ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> > foolish for never having tried it as
> you've been sharing this for a very
> >
> long time.
> >
> > I grow
> sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang
> red plastic
> > 'cherries' in the
> trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put
> red painted stones in the
> > strawberries
> as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> > hurt their beaks and don't
> come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> > beads around the perimeter of the red
> raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> >
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry
> beads do not work
> > with blackberry and
> black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The assumption that black fruit is
less visible to birds is not correct.  Fruit eating
birds see further into ultraviolet than humans.  A
black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we
can detect with our eyes.  Fruits can signal ripening
by changing color.  We all know that.  But we
cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to
birds.  My source is an excellent article that appeared
in Scientific American magazine many years ago.  I am
not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more
skilled than I can likely find it.  As I recall, part
of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was
used by birds to detect ripening fruit.

john s


--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM

What about
honeyberries/haskaps?  The birds eat them all the second
they
ripen.  Jim, have you tried blue
beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On
1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
>
Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday,
January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing
list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
>      You
have my permission to send it to anyone.  I sent it to
magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and
Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
comments.
>
> Jim, do
you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
forum?
> Some members who don't also
participate on nafex@lists might be
interested.
> I always thought this an
ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as
you've been sharing this for a very
>
long time.
>
> I grow
sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang
red plastic
> 'cherries' in the
trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put
red painted stones in the
> strawberries
as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the
rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't
come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red
raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
>
done.  It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry
beads do not work
> with blackberry and
black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit.

john s

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria <mariaschu@vtlink.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM

What about
honeyberries/haskaps?  The birds eat them all the second
they
ripen.  Jim, have you tried blue
beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On
1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
>
Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday,
January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing
list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim
Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
>      You
have my permission to send it to anyone.  I sent it to
magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and
Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's
comments.
>
> Jim, do
you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org
forum?
> Some members who don't also
participate on nafex@lists might be
interested.
> I always thought this an
ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as
you've been sharing this for a very
>
long time.
>
> I grow
sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang
red plastic
> 'cherries' in the
trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put
red painted stones in the
> strawberries
as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the
rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't
come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red
raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
>
done.  It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry
beads do not work
> with blackberry and
black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds

A METHOD THAT WORKS

My black raspberry patch used to be plagued by flocks of Robins and the
dummy (black) fruit didn't work like the red decoys did so I bought a BB
gun. The BB gun was the old fashioned, lever action type that doesn't make
a dent in hard (Oak) wood. I didn't kill any Robins with it but sure made a
pest of myself. I soon discovered that if I knocked one down, he'd take off
like a bat out of hell and the whole flock followed. Of course, they
returned in a week or so and this great white hunter went after them again,
and again. Also, when they arrived during their Spring migration, I gave
them no rest. I kept at them for several years and, now, they don't come
back. No Robins. None. I think they took the hint but I still keep the BB
gun handy, just in case.

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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Maria,
I haven't had the need. I have netting over my blueberries (needs to
be removed for pollination because bumble bees won't fly through it, but
that is another subject) and haven't had much of a problem with my
honeyberries. Could this be a challenge for you to figure it out?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:50 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they
ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Fruth
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
> You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines
> in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
> Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be
> interested.
> I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very
> long time.
>
> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red
> plastic
> 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
> strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the
> rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming
> is
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
> with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they
ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries?

Maria

On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote:
> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Alan,
> You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in
> US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Haigh
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.
>
> Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
> Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be interested.
> I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel
> foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very
> long time.
>
> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic
> 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around,
> replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the
> strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks,
> hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
> beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
> done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work
> with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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