I noticed my breda giant medlars starting to drop a bit today so picked them all. Happy to see they sized up a lot more-- almost all over 1 1/2" many not quite 2"-- almost double the size of last years and more like what I would hope for from a proclaimed "giant."
Last years crop was more so a disappointment because the fruit failed to blet properly, and instead dessicated and shriveled. After a couple years of successful bletting, I thought the process was pretty fail safe, but apparently didn't "do it right." It seems this may be a somewhat poorly understood area. I think of the numerous claims that frost is required to sweeten certain fruits, which as a northern grower skrimping for degree days on some of these fruits, seems clearly bogus. That said, I did leave a couple medlars on a tree accidentally through much of the winter. If I remember correctly, I found them during a thaw in March or so. They were perfectly bletted and as delicious as any I've had. And surprisingly moist. What exactly is going on inside the medlar-- fermentation of some kind I assume, and what are the optimal conditions for this to take place? I assume they can be refrigerated for a good while and bletted in batches if need be.
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Re: [nafex] Martha Davis
Thank you Jerry for the great suggestion. I think naming a fruit variety in here honor would be wonderful! If this comes to pass, please let us know. Would you be able to to do a short article on it in Pomona at some point?
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Martha was a dear friend and supporter of NAFEX and MidFEX The Chicago area
fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive
along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in
the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then
overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as
NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX.
She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a
dear friend.
There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work.
Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate
to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and
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varieties and we will name one in her honor.
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On Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:35 AM, Jwlehman--- via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
Martha was a dear friend and supporter of NAFEX and MidFEX The Chicago area
fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive
along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in
the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then
overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as
NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX.
She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a
dear friend.
There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work.
Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate
to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and
consult with a few Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers very familure with his best
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Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range
I'm in 4b in southwest Wisconsin and planted carpathians in the early 90s. The trees are all still alive and just now starting to bear nuts tho after last winter, the coldest since 1978, they didn't throw nuts this year.
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Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range
Thank you. I found it on line.
http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010175.tree%20crops.pdf
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On 10/27/2014 8:48 AM, Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett wrote:
> J. Russell Smith's Tree Fruits
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Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range
I can't speak to the whole range, but there was a huge English walnut (perhaps not Carpathian) in the yard of the place where Dad used to moor his boat somewhere near Chestertown, on the Eastern shore of Maryland. Sea level--plenty humid. Warm, too, although perhaps not as warm as NC. If you can find a copy of J. Russell Smith's Tree Fruits he has a chapter on English walnut & talks about where he knew of trees growing well. Muffy Barrett
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Where do Carpathian walnuts do well on the east coast? I always though
it was too warm, too much disease here in 7a NC.
Will they thrive in the Appalachians in zone 6?
Betsy Hilborn, DVM
NCSU 1993
On 10/24/2014 12:30 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote:
> Hi Mary
> I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I
> graduated from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class).
> 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out
> farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture
> and farm land
> At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from
> the family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal
> crop land in CRP Planted numerous seeds
> by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and
> the hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the
> thousands of walnuts I have.
> I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking.
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM
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>
> This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too
> far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black
> walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's
> near
> north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in
> cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting,
>
> I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started
> Spring
> of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your
> tree,maybe
> in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would
> you
> be interested in selling me some some day?
>
> It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in
> NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky
> Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'.
>
> Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82)
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge
> <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jerry
>> After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick
>> light
>> fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other
>> trees in the area I planted the
>> hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them.
>> Thanks
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid
>>
>>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Can you supply pictures?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
>>
>> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I
>> was a
>> veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion
>> of the miners were Italian immigrants.
>> One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian
>> walnut in
>> her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts
>> with
>> me. When they germinated
>> they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I
>> planted.
>> I’m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years
>> later
>> that produces a pear shape
>> husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts
>> and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the
>> mill.Not
>> dry enough to evaluate.
>> I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was
>> terminated
>> due to lack of success.
>> Keith
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Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range
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Where do Carpathian walnuts do well on the east coast? I always though
it was too warm, too much disease here in 7a NC.
Will they thrive in the Appalachians in zone 6?
Betsy Hilborn, DVM
NCSU 1993
On 10/24/2014 12:30 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote:
> Hi Mary
> I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I
> graduated from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class).
> 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out
> farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture
> and farm land
> At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from
> the family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal
> crop land in CRP Planted numerous seeds
> by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and
> the hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the
> thousands of walnuts I have.
> I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking.
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid
>
> This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too
> far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black
> walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's
> near
> north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in
> cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting,
>
> I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started
> Spring
> of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your
> tree,maybe
> in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would
> you
> be interested in selling me some some day?
>
> It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in
> NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky
> Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'.
>
> Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82)
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge
> <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jerry
>> After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick
>> light
>> fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other
>> trees in the area I planted the
>> hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them.
>> Thanks
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid
>>
>>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Can you supply pictures?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
>>
>> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I
>> was a
>> veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion
>> of the miners were Italian immigrants.
>> One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian
>> walnut in
>> her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts
>> with
>> me. When they germinated
>> they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I
>> planted.
>> I’m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years
>> later
>> that produces a pear shape
>> husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts
>> and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the
>> mill.Not
>> dry enough to evaluate.
>> I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was
>> terminated
>> due to lack of success.
>> Keith
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Sunday, October 26, 2014
[nafex] Martha Davis
Martha was a dear friend and supporter of NAFEX and MidFEX The Chicago area
fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive
along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in
the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then
overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as
NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX.
She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a
dear friend.
There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work.
Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate
to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and
consult with a few Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers very familure with his best
varieties and we will name one in her honor.
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fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive
along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in
the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then
overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as
NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX.
She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a
dear friend.
There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work.
Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate
to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and
consult with a few Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers very familure with his best
varieties and we will name one in her honor.
Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] Martha Davis
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I am sorry to hear about about Martha. She was a dear friend and good supporter of NAFEX. I guess as the leader I should contact the family and mention something on Pomona.
Do you know if we have done anything for the passing of board members in the past?
Robert
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On Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:54 PM, mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net> wrote:
Just received the news that long time Nafex supporter, board member, fruit growing advocate....... Martha Davis passed away 10/08/14.
http://www.ladailypost.com/content/obituary-martha-lou-davis-aug-20-1953-–-oct-8-2014
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