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Tuesday, January 9, 2024

Re: [NAFEX] currants

Betsy,
While they are not superb 'dessert' varieties, in my experience
Glendale and Pixwell will handle hot humid southern zone6/7 settings... but
like to have protection from blazing afternoon sun. I'd put them forward
as two selections to trial initially.
Before I 'knew better', I had Pixwell in full, all-day sun. It grew well
and fruited OK for years, but I suspect it did not enjoy where it was
planted.

Lucky Pittman

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:09 AM Elizabeth Hilborn via NAFEX <
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> Barbara,
> How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?
> I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?
>
> I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7
> land where I have access.
>
> Thank you,
> Elizabeth
>
> On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:
> > Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!
> >
> > Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...
> >
> > Barbara Rosholdt Zone 6c/7a
> >
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Re: [NAFEX] currants

Barbara,
How much sun do the bushes receive each day and which part of the day?
I'm wondering if they can fruit with just morning light?

I'm ribes curious but wonder if I can grow them on the zone hot, humid 7
land where I have access.

Thank you,
Elizabeth

On 1/9/2024 9:02 AM, Rosholdt wrote:
> Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!
>
> Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...
>
> Barbara Rosholdt   Zone 6c/7a
>
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[NAFEX] currants

Well, I grow Glenndale, courtesy of Lee Reich!

Still trying to find a way to beat the birds to the berries...

Barbara Rosholdt   Zone 6c/7a

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Thursday, January 4, 2024

Re: [NAFEX] currants

Good to see 'old familiar' names surfacing... Jackie, Richard, Donna (we do
talk from time to time).

I remember my last discussion with Lucille, some years back, about
gooseberries... seems that she'd never been able to successfully grow
'Glenndale', which I *think* I have here... better than Pixwell, and grows
well in a spot that is shaded in the hot afternoon.

Lucky Pittman
GREAT crop of pecans & hickories here in 2023.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:20 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red
> currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago,
> so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from
> her climate.
>
> So good to hear from you all—I miss you!
>
> gratefully,
>
> Jackie
>
>
> Jacquelyn Kuehn
> jakuehn@verizon.net
>
>
>
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> > 1. Re: Red Currant recommendations (Ginda Fisher)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500
> > From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio
> > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>,
> nafex
> > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations
> > Message-ID: <A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry
> bushes
> >
> > https://noursefarms.com/
> >
> > They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble
> with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who
> aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the
> insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better.
> Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious
> jelly.
> >
> > Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than
> most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but
> it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.
> >
> > On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
> >> from. She's a master propagator.
> >>
> >> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red
> Currant
> >> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
> >> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
> >> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both
> sites
> >> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
> >>
> >> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
> >> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the
> top,
> >> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
> >> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
> >> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
> >> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
> >> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd
> run
> >> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
> >>
> >> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
> >> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
> >>
> >>
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
> >>
> >> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
> >> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
> >>
> >> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be
> foraging
> >> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of
> students
> >> 3 weeks ago.
> >> Richard Moyer
> >> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
> >> 90s.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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> >>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> >>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
> >>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> Cc:
> >>> Bcc:
> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
> >>> Jackie,
> >>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going
> to
> >>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman
> Farms:
> >>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
> >>>
> >>> Lucky Pittman
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
> >>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
> >>>> place to purchase it?
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jackie Kuehn
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> >>>>> (Lawrence London)
> >>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
> >>>>> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to
> a
> >>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
> >>> documented
> >>>>> the trip with text and video
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
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> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
> >>>>> From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
> >>>>> Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> American Persimmon
> >>>>> Diospyros virginiana
> >>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
> >>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if
> we
> >>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
> >>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
> >>>>>
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Wednesday, January 3, 2024

[NAFEX] currants

Thank you all for your recommendations on varieties and sources of red currants. I bought some nice black currants from Lucile several years ago, so I'll check with her, though I live in western PA—rather different from her climate.

So good to hear from you all—I miss you!

gratefully,

Jackie


Jacquelyn Kuehn
jakuehn@verizon.net

> On Jan 3, 2024, at 4:17 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: Red Currant recommendations (Ginda Fisher)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:08:30 -0500
> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>, nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations
> Message-ID: <A59B9306-1B02-4B65-95C3-D71307E07BD4@ginda.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes
>
> https://noursefarms.com/
>
> They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.
>
> Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.
>
> On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>> from. She's a master propagator.
>>
>> Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>> trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>> gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>> which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>> with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>>
>> European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>> recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>> for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>> and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>> three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>> parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>> the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>> from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>>
>> Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>> 2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>>
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>>
>> I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>> for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>>
>> Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>> fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>> 3 weeks ago.
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>> 90s.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47?PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> 1. Re: ribes recommendations (Louis Pittman)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>>> Jackie,
>>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
>>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>>
>>> Lucky Pittman
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54?PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>>>> place to purchase it?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Kuehn
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36?AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>> (Lawrence London)
>>>>> 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>>> CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
>>>>> region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
>>> documented
>>>>> the trip with text and video
>>>>> Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
>>>>> project. A Google site: search might find it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
>>>>> Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>
>>>>> American Persimmon
>>>>> Diospyros virginiana
>>>>> Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>>>>> Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>>>> can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
>>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations

I'd also like to recommend Nourse as a source of current and other berry bushes

https://noursefarms.com/

They carry rovada, jonkheer van tets, a white and a pink. I have trouble with some worm that eventually kills current bushes (and with chipmunks who aggressively harvest them) and found rovada a little more resistant to the insects. But i liked the flavor of jonkheer van tets slightly better. Honestly, the flavor is similar, and i turn most of them into delicious jelly.

Nourse gives more detailed information on their various offerings than most nurseries, and will even tell you "this one doesn't taste as good, but it's easy to grow", or similar less-than-glowing descriptions.

On January 3, 2024 3:41:56 PM EST, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
>from. She's a master propagator.
>
>Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
>trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
>gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
>which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
>with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)
>
>European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
>recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
>for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
>and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
>three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
>parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
>the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
>from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.
>
>Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
>2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc
>
>I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
>for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.
>
>Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
>fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
>3 weeks ago.
>Richard Moyer
>SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
>90s.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
>> Jackie,
>> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
>> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
>> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>>
>> Lucky Pittman
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
>> > place to purchase it?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Jackie Kuehn
>> >
>> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>> > >
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>> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > > (Lawrence London)
>> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 1
>> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
>> > > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > > Message-ID:
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>> > CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> > >
>> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
>> > >
>> >
>> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
>> > >
>> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
>> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
>> documented
>> > > the trip with text and video
>> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
>> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
>> > > From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
>> > > Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> > >
>> > > American Persimmon
>> > > Diospyros virginiana
>> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
>> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
>> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
>> > >
>> > > --Henry Fieldseth
>> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [NAFEX] Red Currant recommendations

Agreed with Lucky. Lucille been at this for decades. So worth learning
from. She's a master propagator.

Jackie, I forget where you live. You may want to check for a Red Currant
trial in a climate similar to your own. For instance, there were
gooseberries which performed wonderfully for Ed Mashburn in central PA,
which did poorly in the NCGR Repository in Corvallis, OR. (Saw both sites
with my own eyes, surprised at the difference.)

European breeding is about yield, for land is so limited there. If I
recall correctly, the Dutch red currant cultivars were at or near the top,
for consistent yields at certain US sites. Ed settled on Detvan, Tatran
and Rovada, as his best reds, and Lucille offers some or all of those
three. Do read her comments on each. Mildew can be a killer in humid
parts of the US. Lucille's Willamette Valley farm in OR is quite dry in
the summer, very low humidity. If she notes foliar diseases there, I'd run
from planting those susceptible cultivars, most anywhere.

Please find below a lengthy, specific, discussion between Donna and me,
2009, about Ribes potentials in East TN.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/detvan+tatran+rovada/FMfcgxRnnMtQcvnDWjVDcwQCDKMZzWQc

I confuse the names of my kids and pets some days, so thankful to Google
for easily retrieving posts written15 yrs ago.

Grace and peace to you all! Headed to Phoenix next week, will be foraging
fruits and nuts there. Did same in Mojave Desert with a group of students
3 weeks ago.
Richard Moyer
SW VA, 1800 ft. Lows very rarely in single digits. Highs rarely in the
90s.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:47 PM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:45:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] ribes recommendations
> Jackie,
> Have never grown or eaten a red currant, but I suppose if I were going to
> purchase one or several, I'd be going to Lucille Whitman, at Whitman Farms:
> https://www.whitmanfarms.com
>
> Lucky Pittman
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:54 PM Jacquelyn Kuehn via NAFEX <
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> > Friends, can you recommend a good, reliable red currant, and suggest a
> > place to purchase it?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jackie Kuehn
> >
> > > On Nov 2, 2022, at 12:36 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> > >
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> > > Today's Topics:
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> > > 1. Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > > (Lawrence London)
> > > 2. American Persimmon (Henry)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:25:58 -0400
> > > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Subject: [nafex] Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > CA+j2Q+BdewJeypLo0_DFusCSL2t1yqA+5oveNP630TzFFvVYuw@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Seed and Plant Resources - Lemonary In Bashkortostan
> > >
> >
> https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan
> > >
> > > Jerry Lehman, with a group of other Nafex members, went to Russia to a
> > > region where specialized varieties of plum were cultivated. He
> documented
> > > the trip with text and video
> > > Somewhere in the Nafex list message archives are posts related to that
> > > project. A Google site: search might find it.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [nafex] American Persimmon
> > > Message-ID: <819019972.184446.1667363810230@mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > American Persimmon
> > > Diospyros virginiana
> > > Are any of you growing persimmons in the North?
> > > Persimmons are listed as Zone 4 hardy. The U of Mn Extension asks if we
> > can provide any info on people's experience in Zone 4.
> > >
> > > --Henry Fieldseth
> > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
> > >
> > >
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