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Sunday, August 14, 2022

[nafex] Maypops

Always great to see this list still alive! 
Having recently erected a fairly large high tunnel here in SE Vermont, I'm eager to try my hand at growing some 'marginal' (for this climate) fruiting plants. One I've always wanted to try growing is Maypop- Passiflora incarnata. 
Are any of you growing Maypops successfully in a northern locale, and if so do you have any recommendations in terms of genetics / strains to seek out? Might anyone have root sprouts of known good performers to share ? 
I'm glad to try my hand at growing some out from seed as well. I see that the Experimental Farming Network is trying to do some crowd-sourced crop improvement and selection. Perhaps I'll try to get involved. I'd love any advice or germplasm anyone here might have to offer. 
Thanks,
Devin SmithRockingham, VT

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Wednesday, August 10, 2022

Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 248, Issue 1

Dennis, Caula Beyl spent her early career on improving rooting success of
fruiting plants, such as kiwi, jujube, mulberry and others. She 'wrote the
book' on practical plant propagation:
https://www.amazon.com/Plant-Propagation-Concepts-Laboratory-Exercises-ebook/dp/B00MOU4QWC

Most importantly, her career has been spent in Alabama and TN, so she's
well acquainted in what works in your area.

Though she is an agricultural dean at last check, she's accessible on
Facebook.

When we did a NAFEX/SFF meeting in N. Alabama years ago, she was a most
gracious host. I think she'd be glad to help. Info is also in the book.

Hope this helps,
Richard Moyer
Great apple year and pear year here, after several years of freezes...

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> Subject: [nafex] Sand Propagation Bed
> I am learning and expanding my growing capabilities in preparation for
> retirement.
> I am currently building a sand box plant propagation bed that will have
> overhead irrigation spray heads that can turn on every 10 minutes for as
> 5/10 seconds during the day light hours.
> I am in North Alabama (Zone 7A/B) which has hot humid summers and early
> springs with late frosts.
> Want to be growing perennials like fruit and vegetables that do not require
> chemicals to succeed.
> What shade cloth should I use (50%)?
> Does anyone have suggestions on what fruit veggies grow well in a sand box
> like mine?
> Would hardwood or softwood cuttings be best?
> Thank you
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
> To: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>, nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:50:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nafex] strawberry info
> Hi, Lee.
>
> Raintree Nursery lists some of these. However, they list Capron as a
> female! That might explain why you had so little fruit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
> On 8/5/2022 12:56 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> > Hi Henry,
> >
> > I first learned about musk strawberries decades ago and then, while
> working at the Fruit Lab of the USDA, wanted to try them. They were
> unavailable in this country then, but I was able to import them and waited
> for their 2 year quarantine. I know that other people have gotten fruit
> from them but I never got more than very few, very small fruits. The
> variety I had (and still have a few of, from years of runnering, which it
> does prolifically) is Profumata di Tortona, which was was grown
> commercially in Italy. I did have a male pollinator also, called Capron.
> >
> > I consider this strawberry to be one of the best tasting, sort of like
> strawberry and raspberry. But I don't know why it's yield and size were so
> poor.
> >
> > By the way, I devoted a chapter to musk and alpine strawberries (the
> latter of which I do grow, the white variety, which is delectable) in my
> now out of print book Uncommon Fruit for Every Garden. It will be updated
> and back in print in a few years.
> >
> > Both alpine and musk strawberries survive my Zone 5 winters.
> >
> > Lee
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at
> > http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> > http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> > •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > •The Pruning Book
> > •Weedless Gardening
> > •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> > •Landscaping with Fruit
> > •Grow Fruit Naturally
> > °New!! Growing Figs in Cold Climates
> >
> >> On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:16 PM, Bors, Bob <bob.bors@usask.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Henry,
> >>
> >> The musk strawberry Fragaria moschata is super cold hardy.
> >> In my grad school days in Ontario, I recall we had a freak early winter
> rainfall that fell on frozen ground.
> >> Plants stayed imbedded in ice most of the winter.
> >> This killed off a huge % strawberries, but not F. Mochata. It did fine.
> >>
> >> Its musky flavor is somewhat like concord grapes.
> >> Berries can be as big as an inch.
> >> It has 6 chromosomes while regular strawberries have 8.
> >> Although an accession or two have complete flowers, mostly they have
> male and female plants. So that would be problematic to sell both types.
> >> I'm not sure where to get them commercially.
> >> I got some from the genebank in Corvallis years ago. I don't have them
> anymore.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Bors, Ph.D.
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> Head of the Fruit Program
> >> Dept. of Plant Sciences
> >> 51 Campus Drive
> >> Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 Canada
> >> www.fruit.usask.ca
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nafex <nafex-bounces+bob.bors=usask.ca@lists.ibiblio.org> On
> Behalf Of Henry via nafex
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:33 PM
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> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Cc: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [nafex] strawberry info
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> I buy plants for the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
> >>
> >> Strawberries were very popular last year and sold out quickly, so we
> want to add some new varieties.
> >>
> >> A customer requested the European musk strawberry, but none of us know
> anything about it.
> >>
> >> Specifically, we want to know if it would be a good candidate for
> mid-continental Zone 4.
> >>
> >> --Henry Fieldseth
> >> Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA
> >> http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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Re: [nafex] strawberry info

Hi, Lee.

Raintree Nursery lists some of these. However, they list Capron as a
female! That might explain why you had so little fruit.

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
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On 8/5/2022 12:56 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> Hi Henry,
>
> I first learned about musk strawberries decades ago and then, while working at the Fruit Lab of the USDA, wanted to try them. They were unavailable in this country then, but I was able to import them and waited for their 2 year quarantine. I know that other people have gotten fruit from them but I never got more than very few, very small fruits. The variety I had (and still have a few of, from years of runnering, which it does prolifically) is Profumata di Tortona, which was was grown commercially in Italy. I did have a male pollinator also, called Capron.
>
> I consider this strawberry to be one of the best tasting, sort of like strawberry and raspberry. But I don't know why it's yield and size were so poor.
>
> By the way, I devoted a chapter to musk and alpine strawberries (the latter of which I do grow, the white variety, which is delectable) in my now out of print book Uncommon Fruit for Every Garden. It will be updated and back in print in a few years.
>
> Both alpine and musk strawberries survive my Zone 5 winters.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at
> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
> •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> •The Pruning Book
> •Weedless Gardening
> •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> •Landscaping with Fruit
> •Grow Fruit Naturally
> °New!! Growing Figs in Cold Climates
>
>> On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:16 PM, Bors, Bob <bob.bors@usask.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Henry,
>>
>> The musk strawberry Fragaria moschata is super cold hardy.
>> In my grad school days in Ontario, I recall we had a freak early winter rainfall that fell on frozen ground.
>> Plants stayed imbedded in ice most of the winter.
>> This killed off a huge % strawberries, but not F. Mochata. It did fine.
>>
>> Its musky flavor is somewhat like concord grapes.
>> Berries can be as big as an inch.
>> It has 6 chromosomes while regular strawberries have 8.
>> Although an accession or two have complete flowers, mostly they have male and female plants. So that would be problematic to sell both types.
>> I'm not sure where to get them commercially.
>> I got some from the genebank in Corvallis years ago. I don't have them anymore.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Bob Bors, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Head of the Fruit Program
>> Dept. of Plant Sciences
>> 51 Campus Drive
>> Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 Canada
>> www.fruit.usask.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nafex <nafex-bounces+bob.bors=usask.ca@lists.ibiblio.org> On Behalf Of Henry via nafex
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:33 PM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Cc: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nafex] strawberry info
>>
>> CAUTION: External to USask. Verify sender and use caution with links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to phishing@usask.ca
>>
>>
>> I buy plants for the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
>>
>> Strawberries were very popular last year and sold out quickly, so we want to add some new varieties.
>>
>> A customer requested the European musk strawberry, but none of us know anything about it.
>>
>> Specifically, we want to know if it would be a good candidate for mid-continental Zone 4.
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA
>> http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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Saturday, August 6, 2022

[nafex] Sand Propagation Bed

I am learning and expanding my growing capabilities in preparation for
retirement.
I am currently building a sand box plant propagation bed that will have
overhead irrigation spray heads that can turn on every 10 minutes for as
5/10 seconds during the day light hours.
I am in North Alabama (Zone 7A/B) which has hot humid summers and early
springs with late frosts.
Want to be growing perennials like fruit and vegetables that do not require
chemicals to succeed.
What shade cloth should I use (50%)?
Does anyone have suggestions on what fruit veggies grow well in a sand box
like mine?
Would hardwood or softwood cuttings be best?
Thank you
Dennis
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Re: [nafex] strawberry info

Bob,

Thanks. This confirms they are worth trying in Minnesota!

We will be selling 6 seedlings in a pack, so that should cover the gender issue.

Now the difficult task of estimating how many people will want!

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4
http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com


On Friday, August 5, 2022, 11:16:31 AM CDT, Bors, Bob <bob.bors@usask.ca> wrote:

Hi Henry,

The musk strawberry Fragaria moschata is super cold hardy.
In my grad school days in Ontario, I recall we had a freak early winter rainfall that fell on frozen ground.
Plants stayed imbedded in ice most of the winter.
This killed off a huge % strawberries, but not  F. Mochata. It did fine.

Its musky flavor is somewhat like concord grapes.
Berries can be as big as an inch.
It has 6 chromosomes while regular strawberries have 8.
Although an accession or two have complete flowers, mostly they have male and female plants. So that would be problematic to sell both types.
I'm not sure where to get them commercially.
I got some from the genebank in Corvallis years ago.  I don't have them anymore.

Cheers,


Bob Bors, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Head of the Fruit Program
Dept. of Plant Sciences
51 Campus Drive
Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 Canada
www.fruit.usask.ca

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Subject: [nafex] strawberry info

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I buy plants for the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Strawberries were very popular last year and sold out quickly, so we want to add some new varieties.

A customer requested the European musk strawberry, but none of us know anything about it.

Specifically, we want to know if it would be a good candidate for mid-continental Zone 4.

--Henry Fieldseth
Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA
http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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Re: [nafex] strawberry info

Lee,

Thanks for the info.

I posted this question on the nafex facebook group as well as to this listserve. The replies via this system answered my question.

The 2 replies from facebook provided fine information, but did not answer my question at all.

While facebook might have more "action." I am glad this list is still here!

--Henry


On Friday, August 5, 2022, 01:56:25 PM CDT, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Henry,

I first learned about musk strawberries decades ago and then, while working at the Fruit Lab of the USDA, wanted to try them. They were unavailable in this country then, but I was able to import them and waited for their 2 year quarantine. I know that other people have gotten fruit from them but I never got more than very few, very small fruits. The variety I had (and still have a few of, from years of runnering, which it does prolifically) is Profumata di Tortona, which was was grown commercially in Italy. I did have a male pollinator also, called Capron.

I consider this strawberry to be one of the best tasting, sort of like strawberry and raspberry. But I don't know why it's yield and size were so poor.

By the way, I devoted a chapter to musk and alpine strawberries (the latter of which I do grow, the white variety, which is delectable) in my now out of print book Uncommon Fruit for Every Garden.  It will be updated and back in print in a few years.

Both alpine and musk strawberries survive my Zone 5 winters.

Lee
Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at
http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally
°New!! Growing Figs in Cold Climates

> On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:16 PM, Bors, Bob <bob.bors@usask.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Henry,
>
> The musk strawberry Fragaria moschata is super cold hardy.
> In my grad school days in Ontario, I recall we had a freak early winter rainfall that fell on frozen ground.
> Plants stayed imbedded in ice most of the winter.
> This killed off a huge % strawberries, but not  F. Mochata. It did fine.
>
> Its musky flavor is somewhat like concord grapes.
> Berries can be as big as an inch.
> It has 6 chromosomes while regular strawberries have 8.
> Although an accession or two have complete flowers, mostly they have male and female plants. So that would be problematic to sell both types.
> I'm not sure where to get them commercially.
> I got some from the genebank in Corvallis years ago.  I don't have them anymore.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Bob Bors, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Head of the Fruit Program
> Dept. of Plant Sciences
> 51 Campus Drive
> Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 Canada
> www.fruit.usask.ca
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex <nafex-bounces+bob.bors=usask.ca@lists.ibiblio.org> On Behalf Of Henry via nafex
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:33 PM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nafex] strawberry info
>
> CAUTION: External to USask. Verify sender and use caution with links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to phishing@usask.ca
>
>
> I buy plants for the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
>
> Strawberries were very popular last year and sold out quickly, so we want to add some new varieties.
>
> A customer requested the European musk strawberry, but none of us know anything about it.
>
> Specifically, we want to know if it would be a good candidate for mid-continental Zone 4.
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA
> http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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Friday, August 5, 2022

Re: [nafex] strawberry info

Hi Henry,

I first learned about musk strawberries decades ago and then, while working at the Fruit Lab of the USDA, wanted to try them. They were unavailable in this country then, but I was able to import them and waited for their 2 year quarantine. I know that other people have gotten fruit from them but I never got more than very few, very small fruits. The variety I had (and still have a few of, from years of runnering, which it does prolifically) is Profumata di Tortona, which was was grown commercially in Italy. I did have a male pollinator also, called Capron.

I consider this strawberry to be one of the best tasting, sort of like strawberry and raspberry. But I don't know why it's yield and size were so poor.

By the way, I devoted a chapter to musk and alpine strawberries (the latter of which I do grow, the white variety, which is delectable) in my now out of print book Uncommon Fruit for Every Garden. It will be updated and back in print in a few years.

Both alpine and musk strawberries survive my Zone 5 winters.

Lee
Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at
http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally
°New!! Growing Figs in Cold Climates

> On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:16 PM, Bors, Bob <bob.bors@usask.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Henry,
>
> The musk strawberry Fragaria moschata is super cold hardy.
> In my grad school days in Ontario, I recall we had a freak early winter rainfall that fell on frozen ground.
> Plants stayed imbedded in ice most of the winter.
> This killed off a huge % strawberries, but not F. Mochata. It did fine.
>
> Its musky flavor is somewhat like concord grapes.
> Berries can be as big as an inch.
> It has 6 chromosomes while regular strawberries have 8.
> Although an accession or two have complete flowers, mostly they have male and female plants. So that would be problematic to sell both types.
> I'm not sure where to get them commercially.
> I got some from the genebank in Corvallis years ago. I don't have them anymore.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Bob Bors, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Head of the Fruit Program
> Dept. of Plant Sciences
> 51 Campus Drive
> Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A8 Canada
> www.fruit.usask.ca
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex <nafex-bounces+bob.bors=usask.ca@lists.ibiblio.org> On Behalf Of Henry via nafex
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:33 PM
> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nafex] strawberry info
>
> CAUTION: External to USask. Verify sender and use caution with links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to phishing@usask.ca
>
>
> I buy plants for the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
>
> Strawberries were very popular last year and sold out quickly, so we want to add some new varieties.
>
> A customer requested the European musk strawberry, but none of us know anything about it.
>
> Specifically, we want to know if it would be a good candidate for mid-continental Zone 4.
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA
> http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com
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