Re: [nafex] Stayman apple + sources Re: Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:

> Years ago I lived in Princeton, NJ, and bought apples from Terhune Orchard
> every fall. Their Stayman Winesaps were excellent, perhaps their best
> apple.
>

The old, large, grainy, winey, crisp, tart Stayman-Stayman Winesap that I
sampled does very well here in Orange-Alamance Counties NC Zone 7. The tree
my apples came from was/is full size/climbable and very healthy, no
disease, full size good looking apples.

I think I will make a project out of this.

The answer to the question as to whether this list is still available and
fully functioning, it is.

LL

>
> But apples grow differently in different places. They had some apples that
> I really enjoy in New England that just never reached their potential in
> too-warm-for-them Princeton. So, depending on where you live, it might or
> might not be the exact apple you want. ;)
>
> Ginda Fisher
> Eastern MA, zone 6
>
> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=Stayman+apple&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> > The *Stayman*-Winesap's firm yellow flesh; crisp, coarse texture; and its
> > tart, rich wine-like taste makes it memorable. Some say it smells like
> > cinnamon.
> > Stayman-Winesap Apples - Terhune Orchards
> > www.terhuneorchards.com
> >
> > This is the exact apple I am looking for.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense,
> is
> >>> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> >>> misleading and too long.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their
> >> grafted Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
> >> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it
> by
> >> now. I will check their catalog.
> >> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
> >>
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Re: [nafex] Stayman apple + sources Re: Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

Years ago I lived in Princeton, NJ, and bought apples from Terhune Orchard every fall. Their Stayman Winesaps were excellent, perhaps their best apple.

But apples grow differently in different places. They had some apples that I really enjoy in New England that just never reached their potential in too-warm-for-them Princeton. So, depending on where you live, it might or might not be the exact apple you want. ;)

Ginda Fisher
Eastern MA, zone 6

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Stayman+apple&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> The *Stayman*-Winesap's firm yellow flesh; crisp, coarse texture; and its
> tart, rich wine-like taste makes it memorable. Some say it smells like
> cinnamon.
> Stayman-Winesap Apples - Terhune Orchards
> www.terhuneorchards.com
>
> This is the exact apple I am looking for.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
>>> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
>>> misleading and too long.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their
>> grafted Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
>> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
>> now. I will check their catalog.
>> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
>>
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>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
>> Avant Geared
>> walnut and oak serving and kitchen cutting boards
>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/avant-geared-products/woodworking>
>> https://www.instagram.com/avantgeared/?hl=en
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [nafex] Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:31 AM Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett <
bluestem_farm@juno.com> wrote:

> It's true that Stayman and winesap are different. Lawrence had asked
> about Stayman, so I answered. I also have a Starks 'Winesap' from circa
> 1990; it isn't nearly as good. I remember hearing or reading an apple
> specialist saying that Winesap, like Red Delicious, has been selected
> progressively for more commercial characterists, and has lost flavor as a
> consequence. He then went on to say that no Winesap after 1950 was worth
> growing;

That is what I suspected. Ones I bought from grocers were nothing like the
ones I ate from the tree in Alamance County, which were like the
description you gave of yours. I will be very interested in buying one or
two from you next year. At least they will be growing in yet another known
location and I will learn how to propagate it myself.

LL


> my reaction was relief that my older variety had just slipped under the
> wire. It has been highly disease resistant so far. It generates big
> beautiful fruit with no spraying. Small scabs, no CAR that I remember(some
> wild trees turn orange with it, so it is around), so far not much fire
> blight. Good, not high, flavor.
> Muffy Barrett
> ---------- Original Message ----------
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> > larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> > misleading and too long.
> >
>
> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
> Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
> now. I will check their catalog.
> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
>
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Re: [nafex] Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

It's true that Stayman and winesap are different. Lawrence had asked about Stayman, so I answered. I also have a Starks 'Winesap' from circa 1990; it isn't nearly as good. I remember hearing or reading an apple specialist saying that Winesap, like Red Delicious, has been selected progressively for more commercial characterists, and has lost flavor as a consequence. He then went on to say that no Winesap after 1950 was worth growing; my reaction was relief that my older variety had just slipped under the wire. It has been highly disease resistant so far. It generates big beautiful fruit with no spraying. Small scabs, no CAR that I remember(some wild trees turn orange with it, so it is around), so far not much fire blight. Good, not high, flavor.
Muffy Barrett
---------- Original Message ----------


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> misleading and too long.
>

Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
now. I will check their catalog.
Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.

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[nafex] Stayman apple + sources Re: Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

https://www.google.com/search?q=Stayman+apple&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
The *Stayman*-Winesap's firm yellow flesh; crisp, coarse texture; and its
tart, rich wine-like taste makes it memorable. Some say it smells like
cinnamon.
Stayman-Winesap Apples - Terhune Orchards
www.terhuneorchards.com

This is the exact apple I am looking for.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
>> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
>> misleading and too long.
>>
>
> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their
> grafted Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
> now. I will check their catalog.
> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
>
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> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> Avant Geared
> walnut and oak serving and kitchen cutting boards
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> <https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/avant-geared-products/woodworking>
> https://www.instagram.com/avantgeared/?hl=en
>
>
>
>
>

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Avant Geared
walnut and oak serving and kitchen cutting boards
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<https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/avant-geared-products/woodworking>
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Re: [nafex] Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> misleading and too long.
>

Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
now. I will check their catalog.
Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.

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[nafex] Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett

Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
misleading and too long.
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