It's true that Stayman and winesap are different. Lawrence had asked about Stayman, so I answered. I also have a Starks 'Winesap' from circa 1990; it isn't nearly as good. I remember hearing or reading an apple specialist saying that Winesap, like Red Delicious, has been selected progressively for more commercial characterists, and has lost flavor as a consequence. He then went on to say that no Winesap after 1950 was worth growing; my reaction was relief that my older variety had just slipped under the wire. It has been highly disease resistant so far. It generates big beautiful fruit with no spraying. Small scabs, no CAR that I remember(some wild trees turn orange with it, so it is around), so far not much fire blight. Good, not high, flavor.
Muffy Barrett
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> misleading and too long.
>
Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
now. I will check their catalog.
Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
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[nafex] Stayman apple + sources Re: Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett
https://www.google.com/search?q=Stayman+apple&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
The *Stayman*-Winesap's firm yellow flesh; crisp, coarse texture; and its
tart, rich wine-like taste makes it memorable. Some say it smells like
cinnamon.
Stayman-Winesap Apples - Terhune Orchards
www.terhuneorchards.com
This is the exact apple I am looking for.
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>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
>> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
>> misleading and too long.
>>
>
> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their
> grafted Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
> now. I will check their catalog.
> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
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The *Stayman*-Winesap's firm yellow flesh; crisp, coarse texture; and its
tart, rich wine-like taste makes it memorable. Some say it smells like
cinnamon.
Stayman-Winesap Apples - Terhune Orchards
www.terhuneorchards.com
This is the exact apple I am looking for.
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>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
>> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
>> misleading and too long.
>>
>
> Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their
> grafted Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
> which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
> now. I will check their catalog.
> Is Stayman CAR resistant? I have a real problem with it on my property.
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:46 AM Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> misleading and too long.
>
Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
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> Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
> larger and sweeter. We should discard the name Stayman Winesap, it is
> misleading and too long.
>
Thanks for the update. I will pursue the Stayman. Stark sells their grafted
Stayman Starkspur Winesap,
which is not cedar apple rust resistant. They may have discontinued it by
now. I will check their catalog.
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Stayman and Winesap are different cultivars. Stayman isn't as dense, is
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Re: [nafex] The passing of Creighton Lee Calhoun: Winesap
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:39 PM Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett <
bluestem_farm@juno.com> wrote:
> I have graftlings from the Starks 1948 Staymared Winesap that my parents
> planted when they first bought their property. I only cut a small amount
> of scionwood for this year, and the buds have already started expanding so
> you'll need to get in touch next year, Lawrence, if you want that. I used
> the last of the Winesaps from the root cellar 2 or 3 days ago.Muffy Barrett.
>
Now I know that the Winesap is the apple I am looking for. The ones I was
given from a tree in Alamance County, NC were outstanding and all I know is
that it may have come from Stark, planted around 1970. I would be satisfied
if that was the only variety I grew on my property. That is quite a tale
about your parent's tree. I would be interested in buying a couple of trees
from you in 2021. I will make a not to get in touch with you next year. I
know nothing about fruit tree propagation so would need saplings ready to
plant. Many thanks for your interesting reply.
Lawrence
Chapel Hill, NC
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sad news.
> >
> > Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
> >
> > I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post:
> >
> >
> https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, Elizabeth.
>
> I wonder where I could find an Old Fashioned Winesap apple tree to plant.
> According to Lee it is cedar apple rust resistant.
> The winesap is my favorite apple. Braxton sawmill in Snow Camp has/had a
> full size Winesap. They gave me apples from it one year and they lasted
> six months in my fridge. They are tart, sweet, winey-flavored and very
> crisp, almost hard. The flesh is grainy which would put many people off.
> Braxton's wife told me she bought the tree from Stark.
> That would probably make it a Stayman Starkspur Winesap and how it survived
> disease in their yard is beyond me. Their tree was huge but you could
> easily climb it to get at the apples. I took home what had fallen on the
> ground and they were in good shape. Recipe: chill some Winesaps then run
> them through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Chop up some
> Barhi dates (or Medjool as second choice but not as sweet or flavorful) and
> mix them with the Winesap sauce. Food for the gods.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Elizabeth
> >
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bluestem_farm@juno.com> wrote:
> I have graftlings from the Starks 1948 Staymared Winesap that my parents
> planted when they first bought their property. I only cut a small amount
> of scionwood for this year, and the buds have already started expanding so
> you'll need to get in touch next year, Lawrence, if you want that. I used
> the last of the Winesaps from the root cellar 2 or 3 days ago.Muffy Barrett.
>
Now I know that the Winesap is the apple I am looking for. The ones I was
given from a tree in Alamance County, NC were outstanding and all I know is
that it may have come from Stark, planted around 1970. I would be satisfied
if that was the only variety I grew on my property. That is quite a tale
about your parent's tree. I would be interested in buying a couple of trees
from you in 2021. I will make a not to get in touch with you next year. I
know nothing about fruit tree propagation so would need saplings ready to
plant. Many thanks for your interesting reply.
Lawrence
Chapel Hill, NC
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sad news.
> >
> > Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
> >
> > I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post:
> >
> >
> https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, Elizabeth.
>
> I wonder where I could find an Old Fashioned Winesap apple tree to plant.
> According to Lee it is cedar apple rust resistant.
> The winesap is my favorite apple. Braxton sawmill in Snow Camp has/had a
> full size Winesap. They gave me apples from it one year and they lasted
> six months in my fridge. They are tart, sweet, winey-flavored and very
> crisp, almost hard. The flesh is grainy which would put many people off.
> Braxton's wife told me she bought the tree from Stark.
> That would probably make it a Stayman Starkspur Winesap and how it survived
> disease in their yard is beyond me. Their tree was huge but you could
> easily climb it to get at the apples. I took home what had fallen on the
> ground and they were in good shape. Recipe: chill some Winesaps then run
> them through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Chop up some
> Barhi dates (or Medjool as second choice but not as sweet or flavorful) and
> mix them with the Winesap sauce. Food for the gods.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Elizabeth
> >
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Re: [nafex] The passing of Creighton Lee Calhoun: Winesap
I have graftlings from the Starks 1948 Staymared Winesap that my parents planted when they first bought their property. I only cut a small amount of scionwood for this year, and the buds have already started expanding so you'll need to get in touch next year, Lawrence, if you want that. I used the last of the Winesaps from the root cellar 2 or 3 days ago.Muffy Barrett
---------- Original Message ----------
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Sad news.
>
> Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
>
> I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post:
>
> https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
Thanks for letting us know, Elizabeth.
I wonder where I could find an Old Fashioned Winesap apple tree to plant.
According to Lee it is cedar apple rust resistant.
The winesap is my favorite apple. Braxton sawmill in Snow Camp has/had a
full size Winesap. They gave me apples from it one year and they lasted
six months in my fridge. They are tart, sweet, winey-flavored and very
crisp, almost hard. The flesh is grainy which would put many people off.
Braxton's wife told me she bought the tree from Stark.
That would probably make it a Stayman Starkspur Winesap and how it survived
disease in their yard is beyond me. Their tree was huge but you could
easily climb it to get at the apples. I took home what had fallen on the
ground and they were in good shape. Recipe: chill some Winesaps then run
them through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Chop up some
Barhi dates (or Medjool as second choice but not as sweet or flavorful) and
mix them with the Winesap sauce. Food for the gods.
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Elizabeth
>
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Sad news.
>
> Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
>
> I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post:
>
> https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
Thanks for letting us know, Elizabeth.
I wonder where I could find an Old Fashioned Winesap apple tree to plant.
According to Lee it is cedar apple rust resistant.
The winesap is my favorite apple. Braxton sawmill in Snow Camp has/had a
full size Winesap. They gave me apples from it one year and they lasted
six months in my fridge. They are tart, sweet, winey-flavored and very
crisp, almost hard. The flesh is grainy which would put many people off.
Braxton's wife told me she bought the tree from Stark.
That would probably make it a Stayman Starkspur Winesap and how it survived
disease in their yard is beyond me. Their tree was huge but you could
easily climb it to get at the apples. I took home what had fallen on the
ground and they were in good shape. Recipe: chill some Winesaps then run
them through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Chop up some
Barhi dates (or Medjool as second choice but not as sweet or flavorful) and
mix them with the Winesap sauce. Food for the gods.
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Elizabeth
>
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Re: [nafex] The passing of Creighton Lee Calhoun
Thanks for letting us know. Lee was inspiring, in all the right ways.
Ginda
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Sad news.
>
> Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
>
> I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post: https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
>
>
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> Elizabeth
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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Sad news.
>
> Lee Calhoun, apple explorer extraordinaire, has passed.
>
> I am not aware of an obituary, just this blog post: https://elizapples.com/2020/02/22/the-passing-of-c-lee-calhoun-southern-apple-hunter/comment-page-1/
>
>
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