[nafex] Early figs

Alan: Yeah! Me too! cutting for me, too? We put plant, root ball,
and all in my unheated barn until spring, but am on the lookout for
early varieties.

While we are on the subject I wonder what size in ground container is?
Our huge above ground containers are too much to dig up without a backhoe.

Barbara Rosholdt
rosholdt@erols.com
Z7a Central VA (they keep telling me it's 6, but I'm ignoring them)

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On 1/5/2017 8:42 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

Ha Alan I suspect you just piqued the interest of at least a few fig
hoarders (myself included)

Please let us know name/source, or if you would be willing to spare a
cutting or two.

-Pete

Pete Chrisbacher

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, mark wessel<growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Do you have a Name for this variety? Is it available on the market?

On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alan Haigh<alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:

There is at least a couple of varieties brought to this country via Italy
that are grown in the Bronx and ripen as early as LSU Purple. I have one
and it is somewhat larger and much more prolific for me than either LSU
purple or Hardy Chicago. My LSU Purple ripens at the same time as Hardy
Chicago as well, so maybe you are talking about another one of their
selections.
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Re: [nafex] In-ground Containerized Figs

This thread has taken an interesting turn (for me!).

Has anyone tried/compared various containers and their relative suitability
and EASE for annual planting of larger "in-ground containerized"
temperature-sensitive plants?

My figs remain in fairly large pots above ground all year (overwintered in
an attached garage after hardening off). But keeping them in pots is
challenging due to their significant moisture requirements; I've considered
a drip system but wasn't ready to make the commitment. Does "planting"
them in a pot or other container/bag solve the watering issue? Given figs'
prolific rooting, have you seen improved fruiting/harvest/growth/etc. using
this method? How difficult is it to dig them back up in the fall? Any
ideas for making this easier (e.g. a thin layer of sand or perlite fill
around the pot?).

I'd love to hear more about others' experience and experiments with this
"in-ground containerized" approach.

-Pete
Back in Kennett Square PA 6b
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Re: [nafex] Early figs

Ha Alan I suspect you just piqued the interest of at least a few fig
hoarders (myself included) ;)

Please let us know name/source, or if you would be willing to spare a
cutting or two.

-Pete


Pete Chrisbacher

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Do you have a Name for this variety? Is it available on the market?
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is at least a couple of varieties brought to this country via Italy
> > that are grown in the Bronx and ripen as early as LSU Purple. I have one
> > and it is somewhat larger and much more prolific for me than either LSU
> > purple or Hardy Chicago. My LSU Purple ripens at the same time as Hardy
> > Chicago as well, so maybe you are talking about another one of their
> > selections.
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Re: [nafex] Early figs

Do you have a Name for this variety? Is it available on the market?



> On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is at least a couple of varieties brought to this country via Italy
> that are grown in the Bronx and ripen as early as LSU Purple. I have one
> and it is somewhat larger and much more prolific for me than either LSU
> purple or Hardy Chicago. My LSU Purple ripens at the same time as Hardy
> Chicago as well, so maybe you are talking about another one of their
> selections.
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[nafex] Early figs

There is at least a couple of varieties brought to this country via Italy
that are grown in the Bronx and ripen as early as LSU Purple. I have one
and it is somewhat larger and much more prolific for me than either LSU
purple or Hardy Chicago. My LSU Purple ripens at the same time as Hardy
Chicago as well, so maybe you are talking about another one of their
selections.
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[nafex] hoop house

I'm curious about the construction of the hoop house. Here in NM at 7000
feet we have winds in the spring that can get to 50 or 60 mph. That will
rip plastic to shreds or, if the plastic holds, the wind will destroy
the structure.

How do you make a structure to withstand that?

Regards,

Jay

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On 1/4/2017 7:27 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
> In the first test project I planted 8 varieties into a 32x70 high
> tunnel. After 3 years all 8 varieties are still coming back each
> year. The 2nd year there were no figs set, this year several handful
> of figs set and Desert King and Green Ischia managed to ripen a few.
> The figs were pretty much left untended, not selectively pruned so
> each crown had 20 to 30 shoots. By Sept some of the growth was 9
> feet. I'm a little miffed I didn't get an LSU Celeste Improved into
> the planting since that variety (here in WI) ripens 4-6 weeks earlier
> than any other of the 65 varieties I have including other cultivars of
> Celeste. The big caveat always in back of my mind, is that if we have
> a polar vortex like 2013-13 everything we certainly be dead.
>
> ~miEKAL
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my experience, figs that die to ground level set fruit much too late to ripen. I think this would be the case even in the longer season of the hoophouse. A lot depends on the size of the hoophouse and how close the figs are to the edges.
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at
>> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
>> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:34 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Interesting concept. Do you provide any heat in the hoophouse? If not, how is it any different than having the figs outside? I
>>> No heat. In Wisconsin the hoophouse would extend the frostless
>>> growing season by 6 weeks in each end of the season... Concentrates
>>> and collects the heat. Reduce wind damage to zero. Protection from
>>> bird predation. Makes it much easier to keep the roots of the figs
>>> from freezing. Figs also do fine producing on first year wood so I'm
>>> focusing on varieties that ripen early.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> wouldn't have thought that figs would set fruit on new sprouts from
>>> the ground. I would have guessed they'd only fruit on new wood coming
>>> off of second year wood.
>>>
>>> I think that's pretty much what's happening, the sprouts are coming
>>> from the top of the stump that's left. it also seems like sprouts are
>>> coming from below the stump and they don't set fruit.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Of course figs are naturally bushy, whereas jujubes seem to be trees. I don't know how they would do being cut to the ground. It does sound like jujubes can survive down to -28 (probably depending on variety, as some are listed at just -10.)
>>>
>>> this is mostly what I was wondering, maybe I can just keep a few of
>>> them growing as dwarfs and wrap them the way some people wrap figs...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Traditionally people bend the fig trees to the ground and cover them, rather than cut them to the ground. Could you do that in your hoophouse?
>>>
>>> with the number of figs that I'm putting in that would be way too much
>>> work, but I'll probably try it for a tree or two...
>>>
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>>>> Interesting concept. Do you provide any heat in the hoophouse? If not, how
>>>> is it any different than having the figs outside? I wouldn't have thought
>>>> that figs would set fruit on new sprouts from the ground. I would have
>>>> guessed they'd only fruit on new wood coming off of second year wood.
>>>>
>>>> Of course figs are naturally bushy, whereas jujubes seem to be trees. I
>>>> don't know how they would do being cut to the ground. It does sound like
>>>> jujubes can survive down to -28 (probably depending on variety, as some are
>>>> listed at just -10.)
>>>>
>>>> Traditionally people bend the fig trees to the ground and cover them, rather
>>>> than cut them to the ground. Could you do that in your hoophouse?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
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>>>>
>>>> On 1/3/2017 8:28 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>>>> I've put up a hoophouse to grow figs in z4 Wisconsin. The figs will
>>>>> all be cut back to the ground each year, covered with bales of hay and
>>>>> the varieties chosen that will ripen fruit the quickest... I wonder
>>>>> if this technique would work for jujubes, since you say the fruit is
>>>>> set on new growth. I imagine the season length in the greenhouse will
>>>>> be something like early April - November...
>>>>>
>>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Here is the (very quick) reply from Dr. Shengrui Yao:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jay,
>>>>>> Winter hardiness is one thing and the other issue is the frost free
>>>>>> days-length of growing season. If you season is too short, most cultivars
>>>>>> could not be fully mature.
>>>>>> To me, the frost free days is more critical than winter low temperature
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> your area. But you can get 1-2 cultivars and try it.
>>>>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shengrui
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
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>>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>>>>>> (505)-281-0684
>>>>>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 5:06 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
>>>>>>> How long is the growing season at 7000 feet in New Mexico?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any chance of learning which cultivars survived at the Sustainable Ag
>>>>>>> Science Center in Alcalde?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
>>>>>>> Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> On Wed, 12/28/16, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Jujube
>>>>>>> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
>>>>>>> Experimenters"
>>>>>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2016, 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> Thanks, Mark. I had seen
>>>>>>> the original research report. I thought Alcalde
>>>>>>> was more like 5000 but could be wrong. I think
>>>>>>> I remember the report
>>>>>>> saying that they
>>>>>>> weren't getting fruit at Alcalde.
>>>>>>> In any case you inspired me to write directly
>>>>>>> to Dr. Yao to see what she
>>>>>>> thinks.
>>>>>>> This is one of the things I
>>>>>>> appreciate about this list so much. Great
>>>>>>> expertise and enthusiasm among you all!!
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>> Cutts
>>>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> 12/28/2016 2:52 PM, mark wessel wrote:
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>> The most
>>>>>>> recent Hort Science has an article "Jujube, an Alternative
>>>>>>> Fruit crop for the Southwestern US". The author is from
>>>>>>> New Mexico State. Evidently they are trialing over 50
>>>>>>> cultivars at the Sustainable Ag Science Center in Alcalde.
>>>>>>> It is at least 5700 ft elevation. They referenced a
>>>>>>> hardiness to -30C or -22F.
>>>>>>>> The authors
>>>>>>> name is Shengrui Yao.
>>>>>>>> Also, Gordon
>>>>>>> Tooley of Tooleys trees may have some insight into hardiness
>>>>>>> in NM.
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Jay Cutts
>>>>>>> <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Has
>>>>>>> anyone successfully grown jujube in zone 5 or colder?
>>>>>>>>> I'm in NM
>>>>>>> at 7000 feet. There are a number of trees that I've
>>>>>>> tried here that ought to grow in even colder climates but
>>>>>>> which get their tops killed in the winter. I think it's
>>>>>>> a combination of temperature (record lows have been -25),
>>>>>>> wind, strong sun, dryness, thaw and freeze. The trees that
>>>>>>> have topped-killed include Illinois Everbearing mulberry,
>>>>>>> American persimmon, and walnuts. The American persimmons
>>>>>>> eventually get tough enough growth to survive, but any
>>>>>>> grafted plants lose the grafted portion.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> concerned that the tops of jujubes would not make it. Any
>>>>>>> experience?
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>>>>>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash
>>>>>>> Cards
>>>>>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's
>>>>>>> LSAT Prep Book
>>>>>>>>> (505)-281-0684
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>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [nafex] Lee Reich's comment

I'm in love with LSU Purple, it's one of my favorite tasting figs and
is a great one for selling at farmer's market. I'll be putting a few
of those in my fighouse.

~mIEKAL

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
> "In my experience, figs that die to ground level set fruit much too late to
> ripen". Which is also my experience with figs out in the open north of NY
> City, but as I understand it, in the Bronx and points further south by the
> coast, many varieties can ripen fruit after plants have frozen to the
> ground the previous winter, If you had them under plastic it figures to
> lengthen the season by a zone or 2.
>
> LSU purple, as I recall, was intentionally selected to be capable of this
> throughout the south. If you were growing them in something colder than Z5
> some heat source might be necessary but from Z5 up my hunch is that early
> ripening varieties would yield good fruit.
>
> My fig trees are in Whitcomb bags and I pop them out with a spade every
> year in late Nov. and store them in my unheated well house. They are among
> my most pest free, reliable cropping fruit. Last season only they and my
> blueberries actually did great.
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