Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings -- mothballs warning

On Dec 10, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Charles Rhora wrote:

> Moth balls will keep voles away from trees.
>
>

Mothballs are actually pretty toxic stuff.

http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/mothballs/

http://blogs.webmd.com/health-ehome/2011/02/are-mothballs-safe.html

http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/ptype/mothball/health.html

If you've got to use them, at least please make sure that nothing (wild, domestic, or human) can get at them.


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale




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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

American persimmons and Paw Paw's will survive here in climatic zone 4 - temperatures to -35 degrees.
Tried Some Kaki and lotus from Korea several years ago (they were growing and producing crops at temperatures to -30 degrees). Still have some growing, but have not produced any fruit to date. Moth balls will keep voles away from trees.

Charles.

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Thanks folks. Since this discussion I have moved my kakis into a bed of soil and buried them However, how do you protect the young seedlings' stems from voles? I'm afraid to pack straw or other material around the stems.

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Date: 12/09/2016 3:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Jerry,

You are correct in that I did not mulch above the soil surface, or only to an 1" or so depth. It sounds like heaping it up will help. I was mostly trying to point out that in my experience, many species will survive in pots above ground with minimal care (serviceberry, elderberry, apple, plum,
etc.) but paw paw and persimmon will not in my climate, and it sounds like not in yours either!

Matt

z5 SE MI

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/30/2016 5:02 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what your overwintering plan is, but in my experience
>> wintering seedlings in pots, persimmons are some of the most
>> difficult. I generally experience 100% death if they are kept outside
>> above ground over winter, even in a sheltered location or with leaves
>> or chips mounded around the pots. Same with paw paws, BTW.
>>
> Matt,
>
> I will say (write) this with tongue-in-cheek. Chips and leaves don't
> offer enough protection if there only packed around the pots to the
> surface of the soil in the pots. I think if you had it 12 inches over
> the top of the soil in the pots the root system would receive
> sufficient insulation to survive. Some years back I had a number of
> kaki seedlings in the soil and I packed wood chips around them to a
> depth of 12 inches which completely covered the little seedlings. They
> survived and one day when the temperature was 0°F I took a thermometer
> and inserted it down into the wood chips to a depth of about 6 inches
> and the temperature at that level was 20°. I'm curious, if you had
> mulched above the soil levels in the pot how deep was it?
>
> Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

On 12/9/2016 4:51 PM, ehilborn@mebtel.net wrote:
> Thanks folks. Since this discussion I have moved my kakis into a bed of soil and buried them However, how do you protect the young seedlings' stems from voles? I'm afraid to pack straw or other material around the stems.
Well, you got me as I don't have an answer. hopefully someone else on
this chat and it does. Voles aren't a big problem here so I've not had
to face the problem. I wonder what would happen if you were to take some
mothballs, crushed them and sprinkle them near the base before you put
the mulch around them. I also wonder if woodchips would be a better
mulch than straw as I think woodchips would be less inviting, not as
easy to make a nest in. Just guessing.

Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

On 12/9/2016 3:55 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
> but paw paw and persimmon will not in my climate, and it sounds like
> not in yours either!
Matt,

No they don't. We almost always get down to 0F several times in Jan.
-10 maybhe every other year. Record low here in 1997 was -31F.

Jerry
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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

Thanks folks. Since this discussion  I have moved my kakis into a bed of soil and buried them However, how do you protect the young seedlings' stems from voles? I'm afraid to pack straw or other material around the stems.

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From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
Date: 12/09/2016 3:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

Jerry,

You are correct in that I did not mulch above the soil surface, or only to
an 1" or so depth. It sounds like heaping it up will help. I was mostly
trying to point out that in my experience, many species will survive in
pots above ground with minimal care (serviceberry, elderberry, apple, plum,
etc.) but paw paw and persimmon will not in my climate, and it sounds like
not in yours either!

Matt

z5 SE MI

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/30/2016 5:02 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what your overwintering plan is, but in my experience
>> wintering seedlings in pots, persimmons are some of the most difficult. I
>> generally experience 100% death if they are kept outside above ground over
>> winter, even in a sheltered location or with leaves or chips mounded
>> around
>> the pots. Same with paw paws, BTW.
>>
> Matt,
>
> I will say (write) this with tongue-in-cheek. Chips and leaves don't offer
> enough protection if there only packed around the pots to the surface of
> the soil in the pots. I think if you had it 12 inches over the top of the
> soil in the pots the root system would receive sufficient insulation to
> survive. Some years back I had a number of kaki seedlings in the soil and I
> packed wood chips around them to a depth of 12 inches which completely
> covered the little seedlings. They survived and one day when the
> temperature was 0°F I took a thermometer and inserted it down into the wood
> chips to a depth of about 6 inches and the temperature at that level was
> 20°. I'm curious, if you had mulched above the soil levels in the pot how
> deep was it?
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

Jerry,

You are correct in that I did not mulch above the soil surface, or only to
an 1" or so depth. It sounds like heaping it up will help. I was mostly
trying to point out that in my experience, many species will survive in
pots above ground with minimal care (serviceberry, elderberry, apple, plum,
etc.) but paw paw and persimmon will not in my climate, and it sounds like
not in yours either!

Matt

z5 SE MI

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/30/2016 5:02 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what your overwintering plan is, but in my experience
>> wintering seedlings in pots, persimmons are some of the most difficult. I
>> generally experience 100% death if they are kept outside above ground over
>> winter, even in a sheltered location or with leaves or chips mounded
>> around
>> the pots. Same with paw paws, BTW.
>>
> Matt,
>
> I will say (write) this with tongue-in-cheek. Chips and leaves don't offer
> enough protection if there only packed around the pots to the surface of
> the soil in the pots. I think if you had it 12 inches over the top of the
> soil in the pots the root system would receive sufficient insulation to
> survive. Some years back I had a number of kaki seedlings in the soil and I
> packed wood chips around them to a depth of 12 inches which completely
> covered the little seedlings. They survived and one day when the
> temperature was 0°F I took a thermometer and inserted it down into the wood
> chips to a depth of about 6 inches and the temperature at that level was
> 20°. I'm curious, if you had mulched above the soil levels in the pot how
> deep was it?
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: [nafex] Nick Botner's collection

By all means, yes, go for it.

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Pete, may I print the article in the next Pomona?

Thanks.

Jackie

Jacquelyn Kuehn

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