Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 246, Issue 1

I didn't see Jay's post. Looks like our medlars have the same problem.

Lee
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> On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As with Shelley, I had best luck leaving them on the tree, and picking up
> the ones that fall daily. That lasted into January. So medlars far and
> away the latest 'tree-ripened' fruit we harvest in SW VA.
> Richard Moyer
> Snacking on tree-ripened dates. Harvested last week in Vegas.
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 8:47 AM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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>> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 21:27:22 -0700
>> Subject: [nafex] mealy medlars?
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
>> follow bletting instructions.
>>
>> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
>> brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
>>
>> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
>> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>>
>> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
>> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> Jay Cutts
>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
>> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Shelley Rogers <shelleyrogers@eml.cc>
>> To: Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:37:28 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] mealy medlars?
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would be curious to hear folks bletting tips as well. I have had the
>> same experience as Jay, bringing medlars indoors to blet. When I have
>> waited until after a hard freeze to harvest, I get a larger proportion of
>> pulpy fruit, but still about half are mealy. This year I left the medlars
>> on the trees until they were fully (or mostly) bletted and that seemed to
>> work best. I didn't get any mealy ones though some ripe fruit did drop to
>> the ground.
>>
>> Shelley
>> NC 7b
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Jay Cutts wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
>>> follow bletting instructions.
>>>
>>> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
>>> brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
>>>
>>> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
>>> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
>>> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> Jay Cutts
>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>>> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
>>> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
>>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>>
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 246, Issue 1

Has anyone seen what might be rust in the fruits? Basically, for the past few years, all my fruit are inedible, their insides dry and rust colored. Perhaps it's something else. But it is a problem!

Lee
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Books by Lee Reich:
•The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
•A Northeast Gardener's Year
•The Pruning Book
•Weedless Gardening
•Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
•Landscaping with Fruit
•Grow Fruit Naturally
°New!! Growing Figs in Cold Climates

> On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As with Shelley, I had best luck leaving them on the tree, and picking up
> the ones that fall daily. That lasted into January. So medlars far and
> away the latest 'tree-ripened' fruit we harvest in SW VA.
> Richard Moyer
> Snacking on tree-ripened dates. Harvested last week in Vegas.
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 8:47 AM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 21:27:22 -0700
>> Subject: [nafex] mealy medlars?
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
>> follow bletting instructions.
>>
>> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
>> brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
>>
>> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
>> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>>
>> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
>> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> Jay Cutts
>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
>> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Shelley Rogers <shelleyrogers@eml.cc>
>> To: Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:37:28 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] mealy medlars?
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would be curious to hear folks bletting tips as well. I have had the
>> same experience as Jay, bringing medlars indoors to blet. When I have
>> waited until after a hard freeze to harvest, I get a larger proportion of
>> pulpy fruit, but still about half are mealy. This year I left the medlars
>> on the trees until they were fully (or mostly) bletted and that seemed to
>> work best. I didn't get any mealy ones though some ripe fruit did drop to
>> the ground.
>>
>> Shelley
>> NC 7b
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Jay Cutts wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
>>> follow bletting instructions.
>>>
>>> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
>>> brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
>>>
>>> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
>>> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
>>> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> Jay Cutts
>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
>>> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
>>> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
>>> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
>>> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
>>> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>>>
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 246, Issue 1

As with Shelley, I had best luck leaving them on the tree, and picking up
the ones that fall daily. That lasted into January. So medlars far and
away the latest 'tree-ripened' fruit we harvest in SW VA.
Richard Moyer
Snacking on tree-ripened dates. Harvested last week in Vegas.

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 8:47 AM <nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 21:27:22 -0700
> Subject: [nafex] mealy medlars?
> Folks,
>
> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
> follow bletting instructions.
>
> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
> brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
>
> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>
> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>
> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Shelley Rogers <shelleyrogers@eml.cc>
> To: Melissa Kacalanos via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:37:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nafex] mealy medlars?
> Hi,
>
> I would be curious to hear folks bletting tips as well. I have had the
> same experience as Jay, bringing medlars indoors to blet. When I have
> waited until after a hard freeze to harvest, I get a larger proportion of
> pulpy fruit, but still about half are mealy. This year I left the medlars
> on the trees until they were fully (or mostly) bletted and that seemed to
> work best. I didn't get any mealy ones though some ripe fruit did drop to
> the ground.
>
> Shelley
> NC 7b
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Jay Cutts wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
> > follow bletting instructions.
> >
> > Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
> > brown, dry, and mealy. They have almost no sweetness at all.
> >
> > They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
> > they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
> >
> > I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
> > stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > Jay Cutts
> > Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> > Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> > (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> > (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
> > 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
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Re: [nafex] mealy medlars?

Hi,

I would be curious to hear folks bletting tips as well. I have had the same experience as Jay, bringing medlars indoors to blet. When I have waited until after a hard freeze to harvest, I get a larger proportion of pulpy fruit, but still about half are mealy. This year I left the medlars on the trees until they were fully (or mostly) bletted and that seemed to work best. I didn't get any mealy ones though some ripe fruit did drop to the ground.

Shelley
NC 7b

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Jay Cutts wrote:
> Folks,
>
> This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
> follow bletting instructions.
>
> Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
> brown, dry, and mealy.  They have almost no sweetness at all.
>
> They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
> they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.
>
> I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
> stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.
>
> Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
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[nafex] mealy medlars?

Folks,

This is my first year having fruit on my young medlar. I've tried to
follow bletting instructions.

Some of the fruits are quite soft now but when I open them, they are
brown, dry, and mealy.  They have almost no sweetness at all.

They seem to be going directly from hard to mealy. From what I've seen,
they are supposed to be soft and gooey and sweet.

I can't imagine that they can get to the gooey stage from this mealy
stage but I'm letting some continue to sit out to see what happens.

Anyone have any idea why they are dry and mealy?

--

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
(505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
(505) 717-6394 (cell, text or voicemail)
10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days

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Re: [nafex] severe moth damage

Here's a photo for reference 

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Re: [nafex] Severe moth damage

Thanks Megan,Yes, an important detail I overlooked is my location. I'm indeed in southern VT. SWD arrived here maybe 4-5 yrs ago. I'm thinking this is a new arrival too. I'm fairly certain it is NOT the common fruit piercing moth, which is a tropical species as you note, though that has spread as far as Caledonia, Scotland! Though the general feeding behavior seems quite similar, the size and coloration don't match at all. At about 1" long, this moth is about half the size of the common fruit piercing moth. It is entirely mottled grey, lacking any bright coloration of its inner wings or thorax, whereas the fruit piercing moth has a large patch of orange/red visible during flight. These moths are present here from perhaps mid-June until maybe mid-October. I know nothing of their life cycle and so far have been able to drum of very little info about them. I'm planning to contact the state entomologist and the NRCS extension agent who deals with small fruits. I'd be very surprised if these aren't causing mayhem elsewhere. Between them and the SWD that infests their feeding sites, it looks like a tree ripened peach may be a near impossibility. I guess I might consider netting the trees. -Devin

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On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 1:34 AM, Megan Lynch <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Devin,
You don't say where you're writing from, but looking at old emails of yours I'm going to assume you're still in Vermont? Given that this is a tropical moth species, I'm actually shocked it could make it through a Vermont winter, even with climate change. Not that iNaturalist is conclusive, but I'm not seeing any logged spottings for Eudocima phalonia. The caterpillars are quite distinctive so that should provide conclusive ID if you see them at that stage.

I found a USDA screening aid on them (they have arrived in TX), but was not able to find IPM information for areas where they've been introduced.https://idtools.org/screeningaids/leps/low/Eudocima_phalonia_LoRes.pdf

There is an Open Access paper on their presence in New Caledonia and it goes into IPM a bit. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/12/2/117/html
Megan LynchDavis, CA

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Re: [nafex] Severe moth damage

Hi Devin,

You don't say where you're writing from, but looking at old emails of yours
I'm going to assume you're still in Vermont? Given that this is a tropical
moth species, I'm actually shocked it could make it through a Vermont
winter, even with climate change. Not that iNaturalist is conclusive, but
I'm not seeing any logged spottings for Eudocima phalonia. The caterpillars
are quite distinctive so that should provide conclusive ID if you see them
at that stage.


I found a USDA screening aid on them (they have arrived in TX), but was not
able to find IPM information for areas where they've been introduced.
https://idtools.org/screeningaids/leps/low/Eudocima_phalonia_LoRes.pdf

There is an Open Access paper on their presence in New Caledonia and it
goes into IPM a bit. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/12/2/117/html

Megan Lynch
Davis, CA
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[nafex] Severe moth damage

Hi all-As of last year, I have an infestation of moths that are causing severe damage to all soft fruits. They are sort of the avant-garde leading to charge to poke holes in the fruit, at which point spotted wing drosophila gets in there in a big way and the fruit is summarily ruined in literally a single evening. I've suffered around 80% loss of my otherwise excellent peach crop. They ruined the majority of my American persimmon crop last fall. 
The description of their behavior and feeding is suggestive of the common fruit-piercing moth, Eudocina fullonia, although this is a much smaller moth and looks very different. To me, it resembles the codling moth, but it's a little over twice the size. It's very non-descript, all mottled gray, and has a pointy proboscis which it inserts into fruit repeatedly in a small area. I'm still not sure if it's feeding or ovipositor (maybe both?), nor can I find any info about such a moth. I'm fairly convinced this is a new arrival and I've yet to find anyone who can corroborate my experience or provide me with any info useful or otherwise. Go check your trees at night - mulberries, peaches, persimmons- and see if your having the same thing happen.





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Re: [nafex] Help with plant ID

Yep. Velvetleaf. Aka 'butterprint', as in the past, homemakers used the
seedpods to make impressions in freshly churned & pressed blocks of butter.

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wrote:

> Velvet leaf.
>
> https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/velvetleaf-abutilon-theophrasti/
>
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 09:15:16 PM CDT, Jay Cutts <
> orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Folks.
>
> I'm attaching a photo here. If it doesn't show up, please go to
>
> This Link
> <
> https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-trio-of-seed-heads-310885339.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=B2ADFEB7-33FA-4C21-87B2-2DC6A4D5F2DF&p=367052&n=212&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qt_raw%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D0%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D
%
>
> 26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*%26restriction%3D%26random%3D%26ispremium%3D1%26flip%3D0%26contributorqt%3D%26plgalleryno%3D%26plpublic%3D0%26viewaspublic%3D0%26isplcurate%3D0%26imageurl%3D%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26filters%3D0>
>
> The link is to a stock photo on Alamy and it exactly my plant but does
> not say what it is!
>
> I'm trying to ID this plant. I have it in my front yard in New Mexico at
> about 4700 feet. It may have been something I threw seed out for or it
> may be something native. The plant is about six feet tall with broad
> alternate leaves and looks a little like a sunflower. However, the
> flowers are very small (yellow) and hardly even come out before turning
> into a seed pod.
>
> Seeds are about the size and shape of small pepper seeds, though they
> are dark in color.
>
> That's all I've got. I hope someone can help. Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
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Re: [nafex] Help with plant ID

Velvet leaf.

https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/velvetleaf-abutilon-theophrasti/


On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 09:15:16 PM CDT, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I'm attaching a photo here. If it doesn't show up, please go to

This Link
<https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-trio-of-seed-heads-310885339.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=B2ADFEB7-33FA-4C21-87B2-2DC6A4D5F2DF&p=367052&n=212&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qt_raw%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D0%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D%
26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*%26restriction%3D%26random%3D%26ispremium%3D1%26flip%3D0%26contributorqt%3D%26plgalleryno%3D%26plpublic%3D0%26viewaspublic%3D0%26isplcurate%3D0%26imageurl%3D%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26filters%3D0>

The link is to a stock photo on Alamy and it exactly my plant but does
not say what it is!

I'm trying to ID this plant. I have it in my front yard in New Mexico at
about 4700 feet. It may have been something I threw seed out for or it
may be something native. The plant is about six feet tall with broad
alternate leaves and looks a little like a sunflower. However, the
flowers are very small (yellow) and hardly even come out before turning
into a seed pod.

Seeds are about the size and shape of small pepper seeds, though they
are dark in color.

That's all I've got. I hope someone can help. Thanks.

--

Regards,

Jay

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Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
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Re: [nafex] Help with plant ID

Hard to tell, but this looks a bit like a seed cases of Abutilon
theophrasti, which does have yellow flowers and alternate leaves, though
not sunflower-like flowers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abutilon_theophrasti

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 7:15 PM Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:

> Hi, Folks.
>
> I'm attaching a photo here. If it doesn't show up, please go to
>
> This Link
> <
> https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-trio-of-seed-heads-310885339.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=B2ADFEB7-33FA-4C21-87B2-2DC6A4D5F2DF&p=367052&n=212&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qt_raw%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D0%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D
%
>
> 26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*%26restriction%3D%26random%3D%26ispremium%3D1%26flip%3D0%26contributorqt%3D%26plgalleryno%3D%26plpublic%3D0%26viewaspublic%3D0%26isplcurate%3D0%26imageurl%3D%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26filters%3D0>
>
> The link is to a stock photo on Alamy and it exactly my plant but does
> not say what it is!
>
> I'm trying to ID this plant. I have it in my front yard in New Mexico at
> about 4700 feet. It may have been something I threw seed out for or it
> may be something native. The plant is about six feet tall with broad
> alternate leaves and looks a little like a sunflower. However, the
> flowers are very small (yellow) and hardly even come out before turning
> into a seed pod.
>
> Seeds are about the size and shape of small pepper seeds, though they
> are dark in color.
>
> That's all I've got. I hope someone can help. Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
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[nafex] Help with plant ID

Hi, Folks.

I'm attaching a photo here. If it doesn't show up, please go to

This Link
<https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-trio-of-seed-heads-310885339.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=B2ADFEB7-33FA-4C21-87B2-2DC6A4D5F2DF&p=367052&n=212&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qt_raw%3Dwildflower%2520seed%2520pods%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D0%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D%
26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*%26restriction%3D%26random%3D%26ispremium%3D1%26flip%3D0%26contributorqt%3D%26plgalleryno%3D%26plpublic%3D0%26viewaspublic%3D0%26isplcurate%3D0%26imageurl%3D%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26filters%3D0>

The link is to a stock photo on Alamy and it exactly my plant but does
not say what it is!

I'm trying to ID this plant. I have it in my front yard in New Mexico at
about 4700 feet. It may have been something I threw seed out for or it
may be something native. The plant is about six feet tall with broad
alternate leaves and looks a little like a sunflower. However, the
flowers are very small (yellow) and hardly even come out before turning
into a seed pod.

Seeds are about the size and shape of small pepper seeds, though they
are dark in color.

That's all I've got. I hope someone can help. Thanks.

--

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
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Re: [nafex] Looking for Anton Callaway

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:51 AM Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
wrote:

> Hello NAFExers,
> I know the list is all but dead, but thought I'd throw this out.
>

I will see what I can do to revive the list. I have a big backlog of
requests to respond to that I have ignored for some time.
Lists like this that are free, work reliably and have good features are
much better than Reddit or Facebook. Word[ress and Groups.io are also good
but are limited
in ways this list is not.

Lawrence London
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> If anyone has contact info for Anton Callaway - or if Anton sees this -
> please contact me.
> I have a friend who's contacted me in search of obtaining scions of Koyama
> Asian pear, which Anton had mentioned having in his collection... IIRC,
> bred or selected by the late Lon Rombough.
>
> Thanks,
>
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[nafex] Looking for Anton Callaway

Hello NAFExers,
I know the list is all but dead, but thought I'd throw this out.
If anyone has contact info for Anton Callaway - or if Anton sees this -
please contact me.
I have a friend who's contacted me in search of obtaining scions of Koyama
Asian pear, which Anton had mentioned having in his collection... IIRC,
bred or selected by the late Lon Rombough.

Thanks,

Lucky Pittman
(also at Lucky123Pitt(at)gmail(dot)com
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Thank you Lucky!

My tree is less vertical, more spreading. than the Kieffer I bought a
few years ago from Century Farms. My first is severely infected with
blight but thrives. I generally live in a blight box (river valley) so
there is no escaping exposure here.

That second Kieffer tree has not borne yet, but is extremely vertical
and free of blight (different site though). The pears on my first tree
are big, look correct compared to photos of Kieffer I have seen. The
fruit is sweet, juicy, sandy, best cooked or dried. A neighbor has an
old Sand Pear (no idea of the origin) but it has a better fresh taste,
less sand, juicer and the fruit is smaller.

As you suggest, maybe most sand pears get labelled with Kieffer.

Elizabeth

On 1/11/2021 2:23 PM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Betsy,
> There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
> few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
> seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...
>
> There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
> presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
> with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
> Dabney, Mooers, etc.
>
> Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
> https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
>> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
>> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>>
>> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
>> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
>> November.
>>
>> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
>> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>>
>> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
>> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
>> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any insight on this.
>>
>> Elizabeth Hilborn
>>
>> Zone 7a, central NC
>>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Betsy,
There's an 'Improved Kieffer' that someone(Clark DeLisle, maybe?) sent me a
few years ago. Is it different from the original, a budsport, or a
seedling with similar but ?better? quality? ... I don't know...

There are other 'sand pear' hybrids out there - like Garber, and, I
presume, Orient, Pineapple, etc. - and offspring of those hybrids crossed
with 'more desirable' European or Asian pears... like Ayers, Douglas,
Dabney, Mooers, etc.

Here's the NCGR Pyrus catalog of fireblight resistant varieties:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20721500/catalogs/pyrblres.html

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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Re: [nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Betsy,
While mislabeling can happen even at the best of nurseries, and it's worse
at places like TyTY - I've gotten more than one tree from a reputable
source that turned out not to be 'as labeled' - I would suspect that you
probably got the real deal from Starks.
If you'd been buying a 'Bartlett' at Lowe's, for instance, I wouldn't at
all be surprised - if it lived -10 years down the road, to find out that it
turned out to be Kieffer. lol.

Did the fruit match up with photos and descriptions of what Kieffer fruit
should be like?
No fruit here this year, and my own Keiffer trees are not yet bearing here,
so I can't attest to harvest period... but almost nothing here is later
than early September... and if it is, the European hornets eat it before
any chance of it ripening on the tree.

Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville, KY

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
> pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
> out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.
>
> But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
> variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
> November.
>
> In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
> after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.
>
> What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
> had not noticed this discrepancy before. Are there different varieties
> of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight on this.
>
> Elizabeth Hilborn
>
> Zone 7a, central NC
>
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[nafex] Kieffer pear - early season bearer?

Hi folks,

My Kieffer pear has not borne fruit for years due to a lack of
pollinators. But this year, Carpenter bees and some miner bees helped us
out. Our Kieffer tree bore a bumper crop in 2020.

But this is my question: Now that I seek to buy a second Kieffer, the
variety descriptions all state that they ripen in October, some say into
November.

In my orchard in 2020, the pears ripened in August-early September right
after Harrow Delight and before Potomac.

What gives? I bought this tree from Stark Brothers about 17 years ago. I
had not noticed this discrepancy before.  Are there different varieties
of 'sand pears' called 'Kieffer' circulating out there?

Thanks for any insight on this.

Elizabeth Hilborn

Zone 7a, central NC

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