Whoops -- should have read further down the new emails before posting. Very good to see this also.
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
It's a relief to see that! thanks for telling us.
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
>
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard .
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> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com> wrote:
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> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard .
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Re: [nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
Lee also donated scionwood and time to establish his collection at Horne
Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as
The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there
was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
Creek State Historic site in Pinnacle, NC. They refer to the orchard as
The Southern Heritage Apple Collection. The last time I visited, there
was a dwarf and a semi-dwarf (M111) tree of each of his varieties.
See: https://historicsites.nc.gov/all-sites/horne-creek-farm
On 11/25/2020 12:14 PM, Rosholdt wrote:
> Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard . Here's a
> plug:
>
> *Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
> **David C. Vernon*
> physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
> mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
> *telephone:* *336.349.5709*
> *email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
> <mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
>
>
> Simple Website......Superior Service
>
> https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
>
> On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>>
>> Subject:
>> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
>> From:
>> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
>> Date:
>> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>>
>> To:
>> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>>
>> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in
>> traffic on
>> the list.
>>
>> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
>> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
>> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
>> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers
>> market
>> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
>> always bring any to the market.
>>
>> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
>> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are
>> available.
>>
>> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
>> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff
>> hardens
>> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and
>> slick as
>> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
>> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer
>> alive, and
>> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>>
>> >From My Samsung S20 5G
>> 919.357.0863
>>
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[nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
I know they are not true to seed. I saved several dozen seeds from a
tasting and ended up with about 12 trees. Of these, I grew to fruiting,
and replaced the icky ones. I have 3 left, and one is being grafted
onto. I ended up with one really nice tree. I wish I could have had
trees like the PA Golden, and others, but pawpaws are like apples - or
people - you really don't know what you will get. As to rootstock, it
is not practically possible to clone pawpaws, subsequently the
rootstocks are seedlings that grow well enough to be grafted. For
updates on the rootstock situation, check with KY State University, the
germplasm repository for North American pawpaws.
Barbara R
Zone 7a/6c Central Virginia
On 11/23/2020 5:03 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> 1. Re: Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
>
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
> From:
> Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> Date:
> 11/23/2020, 5:02 PM
>
> To:
> mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
> Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
> not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
> numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
> tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
> still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
> than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
> from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
>
> So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
> encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
> at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
> etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
> to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
> in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
> named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
> (Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
> Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
> tree.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn<ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucky,
>>
>> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
>> this?
>>
>> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
>> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
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tasting and ended up with about 12 trees. Of these, I grew to fruiting,
and replaced the icky ones. I have 3 left, and one is being grafted
onto. I ended up with one really nice tree. I wish I could have had
trees like the PA Golden, and others, but pawpaws are like apples - or
people - you really don't know what you will get. As to rootstock, it
is not practically possible to clone pawpaws, subsequently the
rootstocks are seedlings that grow well enough to be grafted. For
updates on the rootstock situation, check with KY State University, the
germplasm repository for North American pawpaws.
Barbara R
Zone 7a/6c Central Virginia
On 11/23/2020 5:03 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> 1. Re: Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent? (Louis Pittman)
>
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
> From:
> Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
> Date:
> 11/23/2020, 5:02 PM
>
> To:
> mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
> Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
> not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
> numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
> tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
> still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
> than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
> from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
>
> So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
> encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
> at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
> etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
> to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
> in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
> named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
> (Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
> Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
> tree.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn<ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucky,
>>
>> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
>> this?
>>
>> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
>> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
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[nafex] Glad to See Traffic - Lee Calhoun's trees
Lee's trees reside with his friend in NC at Century Orchard . Here's a plug:
*Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
**David C. Vernon*
physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
*telephone:* *336.349.5709*
*email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
<mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
Simple Website......Superior Service
https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>
> Subject:
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
> From:
> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
> Date:
> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>
> To:
> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in traffic on
> the list.
>
> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers market
> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
> always bring any to the market.
>
> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are available.
>
> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff hardens
> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and slick as
> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer alive, and
> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>
> >From My Samsung S20 5G
> 919.357.0863
>
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*Century Farm Orchardsred apple against blue sky
**David C. Vernon*
physical address: Reidsville, NC 27320
mailing address: P.O. Box 271 Altamahaw, NC 27202
*telephone:* *336.349.5709*
*email:* david@centuryfarmorchards.com
<mailto:david@centuryfarmorchards.com> (we reply)
Simple Website......Superior Service
https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/
On 11/22/2020 6:16 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic.eml
>
> Subject:
> [nafex] OT: Glad to See Teaffic
> From:
> Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
> Date:
> 11/22/2020, 5:53 PM
>
> To:
> Nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
>
> I am overjoyed to see the, hopefully not temporary, increase in traffic on
> the list.
>
> Pawpaws - I am not sure exactly who or where, but I saw a note on the
> Extension Service in Chatham County NC about a local that has planted in
> excess of 40 Pawpaw trees and is testing for the best varieties. During
> the season some fruits are available for sale at the local farmers market
> in Pittsboro NC, but arrangements must be made in advance, they do not
> always bring any to the market.
>
> If there is interest I (or you) can contact the Ag Extension Service in
> Chatham County NC to see if a name and contact information are available.
>
> The soils of Chatham are not the "friendliest", most of the county has
> heavy red clay, with areas that have a grsyer clay. The gray stuff hardens
> into something like concrete, and when wet can be as slimey and slick as
> grease. However, Chatham County is where Lee Calhoun lived and had his
> extensive apple collection. Both Lee and his wife are no longer alive, and
> I am not sure what may have become of his mini orchard.
>
> >From My Samsung S20 5G
> 919.357.0863
>
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Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
I am in 6"c"/ 7a in central Virginia, and my Bay is an outdoor summer
plant only. It's pot comes in for the winter. I also blanket my
rosemary plants when the weather turns very cold with winds. I lose my
pastured figs, the potted ones are okay because they stay in an unheated
garage for the winter weather.
Barbara R
Central Virginia Z6c/7a
On 11/21/2020 7:12 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
> From:
> Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> Date:
> 11/21/2020, 6:15 PM
>
> To:
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
>
> I grow Bay laurel in zone 7a in a large pot on the south side of my
> house next to a concrete wall. I have kept it through 4 winters, but
> it, like my Rosemary gets a blanket if the temperature drops below 25
> degrees F.
>
> On 11/21/2020 5:06 PM, Chris Garriss wrote:
>> While I have had no problem 9 years out of 10 with rosemary in NC 7A, I
>> lost every Bay Laurel I ever tried. I had rosemary survive to the point
>> the main trunk on several plants was about 3 inches in diameter.
>> Then we
>> got one of our freak cold snaps which killed the Rosemarys, figs to the
>> ground (they resprout fine).
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> --
> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM
> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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plant only. It's pot comes in for the winter. I also blanket my
rosemary plants when the weather turns very cold with winds. I lose my
pastured figs, the potted ones are okay because they stay in an unheated
garage for the winter weather.
Barbara R
Central Virginia Z6c/7a
On 11/21/2020 7:12 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B.eml
>
> Subject:
> Re: [nafex] Bay Laurel in 6B
> From:
> Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> Date:
> 11/21/2020, 6:15 PM
>
> To:
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
>
> I grow Bay laurel in zone 7a in a large pot on the south side of my
> house next to a concrete wall. I have kept it through 4 winters, but
> it, like my Rosemary gets a blanket if the temperature drops below 25
> degrees F.
>
> On 11/21/2020 5:06 PM, Chris Garriss wrote:
>> While I have had no problem 9 years out of 10 with rosemary in NC 7A, I
>> lost every Bay Laurel I ever tried. I had rosemary survive to the point
>> the main trunk on several plants was about 3 inches in diameter.
>> Then we
>> got one of our freak cold snaps which killed the Rosemarys, figs to the
>> ground (they resprout fine).
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> --
> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM
> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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Tuesday, November 24, 2020
Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
I would talk with Cliff England at England's Nursery. He sells a lot of
seeds and should have some of which you seek.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> You can buy seedlings grown from selected varieties. Burnt Ridge Nursery
> sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
> or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
> Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
>
> Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
> better to start with these already established plants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
> On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> > Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the
> northern end of the range?
> >
> > --Henry Fieldseth
> > Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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seeds and should have some of which you seek.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> You can buy seedlings grown from selected varieties. Burnt Ridge Nursery
> sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
> or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
> Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
>
> Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
> better to start with these already established plants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
> Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
> Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
> (505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
> (505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
> 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
>
> On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> > Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the
> northern end of the range?
> >
> > --Henry Fieldseth
> > Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
You can buy seedlings grown from selected varieties. Burnt Ridge Nursery
sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
better to start with these already established plants.
Regards,
Jay
Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
(505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
(505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the northern end of the range?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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sells seedling plants. I don't remember if they are from named varieties
or just selected from better fruiting, unnamed varieties. Edible
Landscaping also sells plants that I believe are from named varieties.
Since first year seedlings can be so sensitive to light, it might be
better to start with these already established plants.
Regards,
Jay
Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book
Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards
Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book
(505) 281-0684 (landline, no texts)
(505) 448-0888 (texts, no voicemail)
10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days
On 11/23/2020 9:22 PM, Henry via nafex wrote:
> Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the northern end of the range?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] Use for Callery/Bradford Pears
They will die mysteriously one of these years, once I have a couple of
decent size persimmon to replace them ;)
(Fortunately, the township in which I live does allow them to be replaced
with a different tree)
Pete Chrisbacher
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:57 PM DB <pogohome@gmail.com> wrote:
> graft european or asian pears onto them.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have two callery pear trees in my front yard (not by choice) that are
> > loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
> > flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
> > trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
> > for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online -
> has
> > anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Pete
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decent size persimmon to replace them ;)
(Fortunately, the township in which I live does allow them to be replaced
with a different tree)
Pete Chrisbacher
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:57 PM DB <pogohome@gmail.com> wrote:
> graft european or asian pears onto them.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have two callery pear trees in my front yard (not by choice) that are
> > loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
> > flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
> > trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
> > for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online -
> has
> > anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: [nafex] Use for Callery/Bradford Pears
graft european or asian pears onto them.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
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> I have two callery pear trees in my front yard (not by choice) that are
> loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
> flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
> trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
> for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online - has
> anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pete
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have two callery pear trees in my front yard (not by choice) that are
> loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
> flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
> trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
> for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online - has
> anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Pete
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[nafex] Use for Callery/Bradford Pears
I have two callery pear trees in my front yard (not by choice) that are
loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online - has
anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
-Pete
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loaded with fruit. It's sweet but astringent, and does seem to have some
flavor. I'm sure I could easily gather several pounds from just my two
trees, let alone the trees of the neighbors. Anyone have any *good* uses
for this unwelcome fruit? Looks like there are jelly recipes online - has
anyone tried making this? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
-Pete
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Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
Dan, as far as pawpaw varieties or selections that would do well in Minnesota, there are 2 reasons they will not do well if you were to grow them here. One is that the growing season is too short. And the other is that normally the accumulation of heat units during the growing season is not great enough to mature fruit if you did succeed in having a plant survive our winters until it was of bearing age. Sorry to be discouraging, but I believe that is what research at the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum found many years ago. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
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there are two pawpaw facebook sites that can answer this question. pawpaw
fanatics and pawpaw fanclub.
there are now many in europe, australia and asia growing pawpaw.
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> northern end of the range?
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> --Henry Fieldseth
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there are two pawpaw facebook sites that can answer this question. pawpaw
fanatics and pawpaw fanclub.
there are now many in europe, australia and asia growing pawpaw.
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
There has been research done on the Parkinsons issue and can be found at
Kentucky State.
There has never been a case of Parkinsons being traced to Pawpaw. Seems
that certain tropical countries have this problem and it is related to a
relative of Pawpaw.
I have attached the research.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:40 AM mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
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> I love paw paw and eat them every day when I am at work. We have many
> named varieties including most of the Peterson material. My favorites are
> Shenandoah, Potomac and a few selections from Jerry Lehman. Only numbers
> for Jerry's. A few things things separate my favorites from wild
> populations and some other named varieties. All of my favorites have sweet,
> pure and intense flavor with no off flavors. No earthy or green notes come
> through. Texture is better and seed to pulp ratio is very good. Some
> varieties and wild trees are packed with seeds.
>
> We have a long season of ripening starting in mid to late august and
> extending into October some years. I thoroughly enjoy eating them with no
> worries or feelings of guilt until someone brings up the study about paw
> paws causing parkinson's disease. What a buzz kill.
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste
> for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
> >
> > Lee
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at
> > http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> > http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> > •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > •The Pruning Book
> > •Weedless Gardening
> > •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> > •Landscaping with Fruit
> > •Grow Fruit Naturally
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
> both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> >>
> >> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> deliciousness.
> >>
> >> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> >>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws
> and
> >>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> those
> >>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> latter
> >>> group.
> >>>
> >>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
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Kentucky State.
There has never been a case of Parkinsons being traced to Pawpaw. Seems
that certain tropical countries have this problem and it is related to a
relative of Pawpaw.
I have attached the research.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:40 AM mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> I love paw paw and eat them every day when I am at work. We have many
> named varieties including most of the Peterson material. My favorites are
> Shenandoah, Potomac and a few selections from Jerry Lehman. Only numbers
> for Jerry's. A few things things separate my favorites from wild
> populations and some other named varieties. All of my favorites have sweet,
> pure and intense flavor with no off flavors. No earthy or green notes come
> through. Texture is better and seed to pulp ratio is very good. Some
> varieties and wild trees are packed with seeds.
>
> We have a long season of ripening starting in mid to late august and
> extending into October some years. I thoroughly enjoy eating them with no
> worries or feelings of guilt until someone brings up the study about paw
> paws causing parkinson's disease. What a buzz kill.
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste
> for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
> >
> > Lee
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at
> > http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> > http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> > •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > •The Pruning Book
> > •Weedless Gardening
> > •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> > •Landscaping with Fruit
> > •Grow Fruit Naturally
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
> both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> >>
> >> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> deliciousness.
> >>
> >> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> >>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws
> and
> >>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> those
> >>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> latter
> >>> group.
> >>>
> >>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
> >>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste -pawpaw-associated illness
Kentucky State University has recipes for Pawpaw. I have not made it yet
but hear ice cream is the dream.
but hear ice cream is the dream.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:55 AM Louis Pittman <lpittman@murraystate.edu>
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> Not sure thatanyone has identified exactly what causes that gastronomic
> upheaval, but dried pawpaw/pawpaw fruit leather is a no-no!
>
> Heck, 15 years ago, I 'poisoned' a bunch of coworkers when I took a batch
> of pawpaw cookies to the office and shared them at the break table. The lab
> director spent 3 days at home, in close proximity to the toilet...thought
> he was gonna have to go into the hospital for IV fluids. I've not yet
> lived that down...former coworkers still rib me about those pawpaw cookies.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:45 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I dry much of my fruit as I can't eat it all fresh nor do I have the
> > freezer space.
> >
> > A memorable experiment was dried pawpaw.
> > Slices of beautiful, ripe fruit set in my dehydrator. Dried to
> > perfection. Imagine my delight when I first tasted the dried fruit.
> > Sweet, fruity, leathery, but easy to chew. I ate a single piece then
> > went out to do evening farm chores. Within an hour I started feeling
> > bad. Abdominal pain then a building nausea.
> >
> > I was not able to eat dinner that evening. Felt well in the morning.
> >
> > The next evening as I unloaded the dehydrator I ate another piece of
> > dried pawpaw. Again within an hour, the same deal- pain, nausea. I had
> > to go lay down for the night. Again, no dinner.
> >
> > Maybe some people do not feel well after eating the fresh fruit and stop
> > enjoying it over time.
> >
> > I have NO idea why dried pawpaw does this to me while I can still eat
> > (and enjoy) fresh pawpaw.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > On 11/24/2020 8:25 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
> > > I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste
> > for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > > Lee Reich, PhD
> > > Come visit my farmden at
> > > http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> > > http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
> > >
> > > Books by Lee Reich:
> > > •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> > Better Garden
> > > •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > > •The Pruning Book
> > > •Weedless Gardening
> > > •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> > > •Landscaping with Fruit
> > > •Grow Fruit Naturally
> > >
> > >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They
> were
> > both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> > banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> > >>
> > >> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> > tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> > deliciousness.
> > >>
> > >> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> > why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> > >>
> > >> Elizabeth
> > >>
> > >> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> > >>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw
> paws
> > and
> > >>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> > those
> > >>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> > latter
> > >>> group.
> > >>>
> > >>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
> > >>> __________________
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> >
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> > Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> > beewellvet.com
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste -pawpaw-associated illness
Not sure thatanyone has identified exactly what causes that gastronomic
upheaval, but dried pawpaw/pawpaw fruit leather is a no-no!
upheaval, but dried pawpaw/pawpaw fruit leather is a no-no!
Heck, 15 years ago, I 'poisoned' a bunch of coworkers when I took a batch
of pawpaw cookies to the office and shared them at the break table. The lab
director spent 3 days at home, in close proximity to the toilet...thought
he was gonna have to go into the hospital for IV fluids. I've not yet
lived that down...former coworkers still rib me about those pawpaw cookies.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:45 AM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
> I dry much of my fruit as I can't eat it all fresh nor do I have the
> freezer space.
>
> A memorable experiment was dried pawpaw.
> Slices of beautiful, ripe fruit set in my dehydrator. Dried to
> perfection. Imagine my delight when I first tasted the dried fruit.
> Sweet, fruity, leathery, but easy to chew. I ate a single piece then
> went out to do evening farm chores. Within an hour I started feeling
> bad. Abdominal pain then a building nausea.
>
> I was not able to eat dinner that evening. Felt well in the morning.
>
> The next evening as I unloaded the dehydrator I ate another piece of
> dried pawpaw. Again within an hour, the same deal- pain, nausea. I had
> to go lay down for the night. Again, no dinner.
>
> Maybe some people do not feel well after eating the fresh fruit and stop
> enjoying it over time.
>
> I have NO idea why dried pawpaw does this to me while I can still eat
> (and enjoy) fresh pawpaw.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/24/2020 8:25 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
> > I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste
> for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
> >
> > Lee
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at
> > http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> > http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> > •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > •The Pruning Book
> > •Weedless Gardening
> > •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> > •Landscaping with Fruit
> > •Grow Fruit Naturally
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
> both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> >>
> >> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> deliciousness.
> >>
> >> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> >>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws
> and
> >>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> those
> >>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> latter
> >>> group.
> >>>
> >>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
> >>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
Yep. I can eat one, and that's enough to do me for a year or more.
Grafted varieties definitely taste better than local natives, but one is
still enough for me.
I have pulp frozen back from 3 years or more, but rarely do anything with
it...guess I need to whip up a batch of 'pawpaw honey' to pass out as
holiday treats to friends & neighbors.
Lucky
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:25 AM Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste for
> them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at
> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> •The Pruning Book
> •Weedless Gardening
> •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> •Landscaping with Fruit
> •Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
> both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> >
> > There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> deliciousness.
> >
> > In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> >> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws
> and
> >> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> those
> >> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> latter
> >> group.
> >>
> >> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste -pawpaw-associated illness
I dry much of my fruit as I can't eat it all fresh nor do I have the
freezer space.
freezer space.
A memorable experiment was dried pawpaw.
Slices of beautiful, ripe fruit set in my dehydrator. Dried to
perfection. Imagine my delight when I first tasted the dried fruit.
Sweet, fruity, leathery, but easy to chew. I ate a single piece then
went out to do evening farm chores. Within an hour I started feeling
bad. Abdominal pain then a building nausea.
I was not able to eat dinner that evening. Felt well in the morning.
The next evening as I unloaded the dehydrator I ate another piece of
dried pawpaw. Again within an hour, the same deal- pain, nausea. I had
to go lay down for the night. Again, no dinner.
Maybe some people do not feel well after eating the fresh fruit and stop
enjoying it over time.
I have NO idea why dried pawpaw does this to me while I can still eat
(and enjoy) fresh pawpaw.
Any ideas?
Elizabeth
On 11/24/2020 8:25 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
> I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at
> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
> •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> •The Pruning Book
> •Weedless Gardening
> •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> •Landscaping with Fruit
> •Grow Fruit Naturally
>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
>>
>> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its deliciousness.
>>
>> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
>>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws and
>>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
>>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
>>> group.
>>>
>>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
>>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
Howdy, I occasionally get a harvest on my seedling pawpaws here in zone 3.
I figured that they'd taste best when allowed to turn black of the tree.
Wrong-o. I made a pawpaw pudding and the taste was very strong. We ended
up throwing out most of the pudding, but not until after we all got a case
of bad diarrhoea. Seems that pawpaws should be eaten when just softening.
That might help with the long-term likeability of the fruit.
Steve H. SW WI USA, USDA zone 3
I figured that they'd taste best when allowed to turn black of the tree.
Wrong-o. I made a pawpaw pudding and the taste was very strong. We ended
up throwing out most of the pudding, but not until after we all got a case
of bad diarrhoea. Seems that pawpaws should be eaten when just softening.
That might help with the long-term likeability of the fruit.
Steve H. SW WI USA, USDA zone 3
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:26 AM Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste for
> them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at
> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much
> Better Garden
> •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> •The Pruning Book
> •Weedless Gardening
> •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> •Landscaping with Fruit
> •Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
> both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe
> banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
> >
> > There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
> tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
> deliciousness.
> >
> > In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
> why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> >> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws
> and
> >> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and
> those
> >> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the
> latter
> >> group.
> >>
> >> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
> >> __________________
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Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
Kentucky State University is the pawpaw clonal germplasm repository and
primary research institution for pawpaw.
They have, in the past, offered free packets of 20 or so seeds from their
orchard of grafted and selected seedling selections. Sherry Crabtree would
be my first contact there.
LLP
I would bet hardiness would not be a significant issue. I sent scions of a
south Alabama-origin A.parviflora to my friend, the late Gordon Nofs, in
Flint, MI, and his graft of it survived for many years - longer there than
did mine here in southern KY. Easter Big Freeze Disaster of 2007 killed
many things here back to the ground, if not outright stone-cold dead.
Seed may or may not be available this year, though...spring freezes hit
hard here during bloom period...total of two pawpaw fruits on my farm this
year; no pecans or hickories, no apples or pears, few persimmons. Only
blueberries and black walnuts in 2020.
Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville KY
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> Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the
> northern end of the range?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
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primary research institution for pawpaw.
They have, in the past, offered free packets of 20 or so seeds from their
orchard of grafted and selected seedling selections. Sherry Crabtree would
be my first contact there.
LLP
I would bet hardiness would not be a significant issue. I sent scions of a
south Alabama-origin A.parviflora to my friend, the late Gordon Nofs, in
Flint, MI, and his graft of it survived for many years - longer there than
did mine here in southern KY. Easter Big Freeze Disaster of 2007 killed
many things here back to the ground, if not outright stone-cold dead.
Seed may or may not be available this year, though...spring freezes hit
hard here during bloom period...total of two pawpaw fruits on my farm this
year; no pecans or hickories, no apples or pears, few persimmons. Only
blueberries and black walnuts in 2020.
Lucky Pittman
Hopkinsville KY
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> northern end of the range?
>
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
I love paw paw and eat them every day when I am at work. We have many named varieties including most of the Peterson material. My favorites are Shenandoah, Potomac and a few selections from Jerry Lehman. Only numbers for Jerry's. A few things things separate my favorites from wild populations and some other named varieties. All of my favorites have sweet, pure and intense flavor with no off flavors. No earthy or green notes come through. Texture is better and seed to pulp ratio is very good. Some varieties and wild trees are packed with seeds.
We have a long season of ripening starting in mid to late august and extending into October some years. I thoroughly enjoy eating them with no worries or feelings of guilt until someone brings up the study about paw paws causing parkinson's disease. What a buzz kill.
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at
> http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> http://leereich.com <http://leereich.com/>
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> •The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden
> •A Northeast Gardener's Year
> •The Pruning Book
> •Weedless Gardening
> •Uncommon Fruits for every Garden
> •Landscaping with Fruit
> •Grow Fruit Naturally
>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
>>
>> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its deliciousness.
>>
>> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
>>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws and
>>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
>>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
>>> group.
>>>
>>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
>>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
I think it takes a certain amount of eating pawpaws to lose your taste for them. I've noticed this in other once-pawpaw-enthusiasts also.
Lee
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•A Northeast Gardener's Year
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•Weedless Gardening
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•Grow Fruit Naturally
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of overripe banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
>
> There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its deliciousness.
>
> In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
>> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws and
>> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
>> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
>> group.
>>
>> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
there are two pawpaw facebook sites that can answer this question. pawpaw
fanatics and pawpaw fanclub.
there are now many in europe, australia and asia growing pawpaw.
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> northern end of the range?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
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fanatics and pawpaw fanclub.
there are now many in europe, australia and asia growing pawpaw.
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Re: [nafex] fruit for part shade
Howdy Henry et al, great to see traffic on the list again. 'Centennial', a
crab out of the University of Minnesota fruit breeding program, might work
for you. It's delicious and completely pest and disease free for me
without spray (the only apple out of the twenty-odd apple tees I grow with
that distinction). Okay, it does get some curculio, but that just helps
with thinning 😎. My tree is on M-7 and it's still more vigorous than I'd
like it to be. My tree is also shaded for part of the day by a standard
size Macintosh and fruits fine
crab out of the University of Minnesota fruit breeding program, might work
for you. It's delicious and completely pest and disease free for me
without spray (the only apple out of the twenty-odd apple tees I grow with
that distinction). Okay, it does get some curculio, but that just helps
with thinning 😎. My tree is on M-7 and it's still more vigorous than I'd
like it to be. My tree is also shaded for part of the day by a standard
size Macintosh and fruits fine
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:51 AM mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Haskaps and Ribes do well in part shade in sw Ohio.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Peter Chrisbacher <pxbacher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > An invasive that I love and that seems to thrive in full shade to part
> sun
> > is wineberry. If it's not already invasively established in your area I
> > wouldn't recommend planting it; if it's already around, consider it.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:54 PM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone selected for tasty kousa dogwood? I have sampled several, and
> >> they range from pretty tasty to having nasty flavors. I wouldn't plant
> one
> >> for fruit without knowing something about the flavor of that cultivar.
> >> --
> >> Ginda
> >> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.
> >>
> >>
> >> On November 22, 2020 1:41:55 PM EST, Mary Yett <yettmw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Try pawpaw, persimmon, taller elderberry varieties (some are tree
> >>> sized),
> >>> kousa dogwood, high bush cranberry, and of course the estimable cornus
> >>> mas.
> >>>
> >>> Mary Yett
> >>> Tree of Life Permaculture Farm
> >>> Ontario,Canada
> >>> Canadian zone 4B (USDA Zone 3 )
> >>>
> >>> On Sat., Nov. 21, 2020, 8:58 p.m. John Holzwart, <
> >>> plantbasedservices@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Henry,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you know what I'm going to suggest. Lol. I second Cornus mas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Little John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 7:23 PM Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cornus mas. It's a fruiting dogwood. I have some. It does okay with
> >>> light
> >>>>> shade.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm in zone 6, i don't know how cold hardy it is.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Ginda
> >>>>> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On November 21, 2020 7:12:46 PM EST, Henry via nafex <
> >>>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Any recommendations for part shade?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We have been removing buckthorn, but we don't want to remove the
> >>>>>> canopy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We have elm, cherry and oak, but it opens up a lot when the
> >>> buckthorn
> >>>>>> is gone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dogwood is the primary native understory. Would like to add some
> >>> useful
> >>>>>> fruit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Henry Fieldseth
> >>>>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, zone 4
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Re: [nafex] paw paw taste
I have only tasted two named varieties Mango and Shenandoah. They were
both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of
overripe banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
both delicious, sweet, fruity, bright without the taste/smell of
overripe banana (tang) that the wild fruits contain.
There was a 6 year gap between tasting them so I cannot compare their
tastes directly. I do remember the mango surprised me with its
deliciousness.
In my experience, the selected varieties are worth the effort. That is
why I keep trying to buy grafted trees and to graft my sprouts.
Elizabeth
On 11/24/2020 5:41 AM, Alan Haigh wrote:
> I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws and
> some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
> that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
> group.
>
> I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
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[nafex] paw paw seedlings
Michael, the owner of Edible Landscaping claimed his seedlings were of
similar quality as grafted ones. I tried one tree to find out and 8 years
later discovered it had fruit that was mostly seed just like other
seedlings I'd grown in the past.
Maybe I was just unlucky, but they really aren't that hard to graft.
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similar quality as grafted ones. I tried one tree to find out and 8 years
later discovered it had fruit that was mostly seed just like other
seedlings I'd grown in the past.
Maybe I was just unlucky, but they really aren't that hard to graft.
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[nafex] paw paw taste
I believe that some people can taste the slight toxic tang of paw paws and
some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
group.
I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
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some can't. Those that can't think they are absolutely delicious and those
that can are never big fans. Unfortunately, like Lee, I fall in the latter
group.
I've never tasted a Peterson variety, though.
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Re: [nafex] The heartbreak of grafted pawpaws
Is anyone selling seeds of named selections that would do well at the northern end of the range?
--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis. Minnesota, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
I also have grown some of John Gordon's SSA seedlings. They were pretty good but, alas, I've tired of the taste of pawpaws and rarely eat one. I know of a number of people with similar experience.
I have not yet tasted any of Neal Peterson's selections, which everyone raves about. I have some grafts; they flower but never fruit because of pawpaw peduncle borers. Do they really TASTE substantially better or different from some of the othe named selections?
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> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Lucky,
>
> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for this?
>
> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>
>
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
Thanks Lucky,
I look forward to my seedlings fruiting.
I look forward to my seedlings fruiting.
The 'wild' card at my place is the big clonal stand in the creek bottom
1/4 mile from my cultivated patch. I have seen the wild pawpaws flower,
but they are in the forest, so never set fruit (that I have seen).
I wonder if they are close enough to pollinate my cultivated patch. If
so, they would dilute the 'good' selected variety genetics and progeny.
Elizabeth
On 11/23/2020 5:02 PM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
> Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
> not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
> numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
> tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
> still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
> than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
> from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
>
> So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
> encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
> at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
> etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
> to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
> in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
> named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
> (Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
> Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
> tree.
>
> Lucky
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lucky,
>>
>> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
>> this?
>>
>> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
>> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>>> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
>>> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>>
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
Pawpaws also spread through root suckers but are genetically identical.
But in order to get fruit you will need two trees with distinct and
different genes. Two seeds are genetically different enough to fertilize.
Here is some FAQ found at the Kentucky State Pawpaw website.
https://www.kysu.edu/academics/college-acs/school-of-ace/pawpaw/pawpaw-faq-and-contact-information.php/#q03
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi Lucky,
>
> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
> this?
>
> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> > Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> > quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>
>
> --
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But in order to get fruit you will need two trees with distinct and
different genes. Two seeds are genetically different enough to fertilize.
Here is some FAQ found at the Kentucky State Pawpaw website.
https://www.kysu.edu/academics/college-acs/school-of-ace/pawpaw/pawpaw-faq-and-contact-information.php/#q03
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi Lucky,
>
> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
> this?
>
> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> > Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> > quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>
>
> --
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
Other than these handful of seedlings grown from seed I bought from
Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
(Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
tree.
Lucky
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi Lucky,
>
> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
> this?
>
> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> > Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> > quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>
>
> --
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> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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Tollgate Nursery (Corwin Davis' daughter and son-in-law) , years ago, I've
not really kept any to fruiting... have given away many seedlings and
numerous quarts of seed from grafted trees - but at this juncture, I can't
tell you what the parent variety is for any of these seedlings, nor which
still have many or any of their multiple grafts still in existence. Other
than one graft of Mango on a wild pawpaw growing in the fenceline well away
from the house, I can't identify any of my pawpaw grafts anymore.
So... not my own personal experience, but some of the earliest literature I
encountered from the resurgence of interest and research into pawpaws, back
at least into the early 1990s - by folks like Desmond Layne, Corwin Davis,
etc., suggested that a high percentage of seedlings produced fruit similar
to, if not comparable to, that of the parent variety. John Gordon offered,
in addition to named variety graftlings and scionwood, several
named-parentage seedling pawpaw selections, which he usually denoted as SAA
(Saved As 'A')... like SAA Zimmerman, etc., which was a seedling of
Zimmerman that produced fruit all but indistinguishable from the parent
tree.
Lucky
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:31 PM Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
wrote:
> Hi Lucky,
>
> Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
> this?
>
> I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
> opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> > Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> > quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
>
>
> --
> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM
> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
> beewellvet.com
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Re: [nafex] Pawpaw seedlings - true to parent?
Hi Lucky,
Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
this?
I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
Elizabeth
On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
--
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Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
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Is that your personal experience? Or can anyone else on list vouch for
this?
I have not had pawpaw seedlings fruit yet, but I have seen diametrically
opposed opinions on this around the 'net.
Elizabeth
On 11/23/2020 8:37 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
> Pawpaw fruits from named-parentage seedlings are
> quite similar in most respects to those of the parent variety.
--
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Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC
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Re: [nafex] Fruit for part shade
I have had luck with the same plants in nearly full shade in SW Montana.
Also, I have been amazed that the yellow flowering current (not sure if it's
Ribes oderatum or Ribes aureum, and apparently there is some debate about
these) that were planted bare root have turned into lovely small shrubs with
tasty fruit with < 1 hr of dappled light.
Abigail
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Subject: [nafex] Fruit for part shade
I live in St. Paul and have grown some small fruits that do well in areas
near trees as long as they get a few hours of sunlight a day. The most
shade-tolerant are gooseberries and red and black currants. They should
bear well for you, but would do best if the weeds are kept down for at least
a couple of feet around each plant. They will also need some irrigation
should we have have a dry spell.
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Also, I have been amazed that the yellow flowering current (not sure if it's
Ribes oderatum or Ribes aureum, and apparently there is some debate about
these) that were planted bare root have turned into lovely small shrubs with
tasty fruit with < 1 hr of dappled light.
Abigail
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Subject: [nafex] Fruit for part shade
I live in St. Paul and have grown some small fruits that do well in areas
near trees as long as they get a few hours of sunlight a day. The most
shade-tolerant are gooseberries and red and black currants. They should
bear well for you, but would do best if the weeds are kept down for at least
a couple of feet around each plant. They will also need some irrigation
should we have have a dry spell.
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Re: [nafex] How does the nursery dig these long rooted trees?
Great info, I will go ahead and dig tomorrow.
Thanks
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark, we use a cultivating (potato) fork and a King of Spades long handled
> and bladed spade. We also plant trees over a sheet of plastic to encourage
> shallow rooting but haven't always done that. It can take up to 30 minutes
> to dig up a single tree and we are digging today and will be able to until
> the ground freezes. I believe the compost and mulch dressing reduces the
> chance of winter injury. Cycles of freeze and thaw could otherwise be a
> problem.
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> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark, we use a cultivating (potato) fork and a King of Spades long handled
> and bladed spade. We also plant trees over a sheet of plastic to encourage
> shallow rooting but haven't always done that. It can take up to 30 minutes
> to dig up a single tree and we are digging today and will be able to until
> the ground freezes. I believe the compost and mulch dressing reduces the
> chance of winter injury. Cycles of freeze and thaw could otherwise be a
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[nafex] How does the nursery dig these long rooted trees?
Mark, we use a cultivating (potato) fork and a King of Spades long handled
and bladed spade. We also plant trees over a sheet of plastic to encourage
shallow rooting but haven't always done that. It can take up to 30 minutes
to dig up a single tree and we are digging today and will be able to until
the ground freezes. I believe the compost and mulch dressing reduces the
chance of winter injury. Cycles of freeze and thaw could otherwise be a
problem.
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and bladed spade. We also plant trees over a sheet of plastic to encourage
shallow rooting but haven't always done that. It can take up to 30 minutes
to dig up a single tree and we are digging today and will be able to until
the ground freezes. I believe the compost and mulch dressing reduces the
chance of winter injury. Cycles of freeze and thaw could otherwise be a
problem.
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Re: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 242, Issue 9
Alan
How does the nursery dig these long rooted trees? Do they use an air knife?
I have several trees that were budded three years ago and need to move them out of the nursery and into the orchard. Would love to get this done soon. Should I wait until late winter or do think it is safe to do now? Southern Ohio zone 6.
Mark
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On digging trenches for individual roots for bare root transplant:
>
> I have a nursery that produces bearing age, 2.5" diam. well branched 12'
> tall fruit trees that I grow and transplant with over half of my inventory
> being bare root. The diameter of the root systems can sometimes be as much
> as 8'- with peaches that means a very rigid 8'. Some roots may extend 6'
> from the trunk.
>
> Digging trenches for such roots is standard procedure for us and has been
> for years. Often we simply lift the sod with a little soil and pull the
> roots underneath creating a nice shallow root system that over the years
> has served trees very well. Sometimes peach trees act as though they
> weren't even transplanted and can hold good crops the first season after
> transplant. Same with J. plums, but other species will tend to need a
> season to recover.
>
> After planting shallow we dress trees with a 6 cu' ft wheelbarrow of
> compost covered with same of shredded wood mulch. Forest soil tends to be
> a parfait and not homogenous like prairie soil and I find trees tend to
> thrive in an approximation of that.
>
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>> I?m curious what others think of what I?ve been doing recently. I have
>> reasonably nice soil, but it?s full of rock of all different sizes, some
>> large. So digging holes is very hard work. And I understand that it?s
>> important not to bend the roots of a young plant back on itself. So I?ve
>> been digging a small hole for the ?core" of the plant, and spreading out
>> the roots on the top of the soil, and then digging a small trench for each
>> root, often with a trowel. For instance, I planted some apple rootstock
>> that was basically a stick with half a dozen long thread-like roots. So I
>> dug a star, and spread out each root thread in a different direction.
>>
>> It?s a lot less digging. If I hit a large rock, I can guide the root
>> around it. I?ve planted tree peonies, apples, and hazelnuts this way.
>>
>> Nothing that I?ve planted that way has seemed to die of it, yet. (Plants
>> that died mostly did so because a deer ate the whole plant. A tree peonies
>> developed some fungal disease.) But I feel a little guilty when I do this.
>>
>> Wishing you all a safe Thanksgiving,
>> Ginda Fisher
>> eastern MA, zone 6
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I echo Lee's advice. I never amend holes now, I plant in soil as it lays
>> and top dress.
>>>
>>> My first experience growing fruit trees I amended all (very big) holes.
>> They lasted about 12 years, got quite large, but when they started dying, a
>> post mortem revealed roots did not penetrate beyond the original hole
>> diameter.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2020 6:13 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>>> And any material that dramatically changes the soil porosity creates a
>> ?pot in the ground? effect wherein roots stay inn the amended soil
>>>
>>
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How does the nursery dig these long rooted trees? Do they use an air knife?
I have several trees that were budded three years ago and need to move them out of the nursery and into the orchard. Would love to get this done soon. Should I wait until late winter or do think it is safe to do now? Southern Ohio zone 6.
Mark
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On digging trenches for individual roots for bare root transplant:
>
> I have a nursery that produces bearing age, 2.5" diam. well branched 12'
> tall fruit trees that I grow and transplant with over half of my inventory
> being bare root. The diameter of the root systems can sometimes be as much
> as 8'- with peaches that means a very rigid 8'. Some roots may extend 6'
> from the trunk.
>
> Digging trenches for such roots is standard procedure for us and has been
> for years. Often we simply lift the sod with a little soil and pull the
> roots underneath creating a nice shallow root system that over the years
> has served trees very well. Sometimes peach trees act as though they
> weren't even transplanted and can hold good crops the first season after
> transplant. Same with J. plums, but other species will tend to need a
> season to recover.
>
> After planting shallow we dress trees with a 6 cu' ft wheelbarrow of
> compost covered with same of shredded wood mulch. Forest soil tends to be
> a parfait and not homogenous like prairie soil and I find trees tend to
> thrive in an approximation of that.
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>> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
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>> I?m curious what others think of what I?ve been doing recently. I have
>> reasonably nice soil, but it?s full of rock of all different sizes, some
>> large. So digging holes is very hard work. And I understand that it?s
>> important not to bend the roots of a young plant back on itself. So I?ve
>> been digging a small hole for the ?core" of the plant, and spreading out
>> the roots on the top of the soil, and then digging a small trench for each
>> root, often with a trowel. For instance, I planted some apple rootstock
>> that was basically a stick with half a dozen long thread-like roots. So I
>> dug a star, and spread out each root thread in a different direction.
>>
>> It?s a lot less digging. If I hit a large rock, I can guide the root
>> around it. I?ve planted tree peonies, apples, and hazelnuts this way.
>>
>> Nothing that I?ve planted that way has seemed to die of it, yet. (Plants
>> that died mostly did so because a deer ate the whole plant. A tree peonies
>> developed some fungal disease.) But I feel a little guilty when I do this.
>>
>> Wishing you all a safe Thanksgiving,
>> Ginda Fisher
>> eastern MA, zone 6
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I echo Lee's advice. I never amend holes now, I plant in soil as it lays
>> and top dress.
>>>
>>> My first experience growing fruit trees I amended all (very big) holes.
>> They lasted about 12 years, got quite large, but when they started dying, a
>> post mortem revealed roots did not penetrate beyond the original hole
>> diameter.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2020 6:13 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>>> And any material that dramatically changes the soil porosity creates a
>> ?pot in the ground? effect wherein roots stay inn the amended soil
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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