International Fruit & Nut Enthusiasts & Breeders: November 2018

Tuesday, November 13, 2018

Re: [nafex] goumi and mold

Shelly, I grow 2 varieties in your area. I do not have problems with mold. I have them about 6 feet apart and they are at least 7 feet high. They have sun from mid morning through sunset. They have moderate air flow only. Contact me off list if you wish to discussBetsy Hilborn Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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Date: 11/13/2018 5:19 PM (GMT+01:00)
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Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold

Hello NAFEXers,Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold. Thank you,Shelley Orby Dare OrchardCedar Grove, NC__________________nafex mailing listnafex@lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
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[nafex] goumi and mold

Hello NAFEXers,

Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.

I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?

I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold.

Thank you,
Shelley

Orby Dare Orchard
Cedar Grove, NC
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Friday, November 9, 2018

Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates

Well that is encouraging. I am in Payette Idaho, Zone 6 Oregon border. Not that much wind. But my front flower bed has extra heat reflected down on it from the wall of the house that faces west. As a result I have a faithfully bearing apricot tree. And raspberries, and currants.
Naomi

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Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates

I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.

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I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.

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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
> amazing claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
> all are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree
> s.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
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Yes, short seasons are the issue.

I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.

They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.

On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think
> they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates

I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'.

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2. Re: jujube? (Elizabeth Hilborn)
I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:

> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>
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Bass S.
Treesofjoy.com

Yes, short seasons are the issue.

I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early
enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.

They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.

On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
> do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
>> claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during
>> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
>> are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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[nafex] Jujube?

Ask Cliff @ England's Nursery. He is a jujube maven!

Barbara Rosholdt

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Thursday, November 8, 2018

Re: [nafex] Jujube?

Richard, Which varieties have survived and borne in your cooler area?

Any recommendations?

Betsy

On 11/9/2018 1:20 AM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
> date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
> many July days is lower 90s.
> I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
> year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
> Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
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Re: [nafex] Jujube?

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter
> injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>
> Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
> date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
> many July days is lower 90s.
> I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
> year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
> Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.

Hmm. Maybe I should give jujube a try. Our season didn't use to be reliably that long; but now most of the time it's longer. I'm not sure I've ever seen -17 F here; and even negative low teens has become quite uncommon.

— and I'd like to say that it's nice to see this list resurface in my mailbox!

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
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[nafex] Jujube?

Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost
date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for
many July days is lower 90s.
I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every
year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now.
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange.
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[nafex] Jujube hardiness

Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter
injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains.

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> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing
> claim.
>
> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during
> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>
> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all
> are rated Zone 5.
>
> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html
>
> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
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Re: [nafex] jujube?

Jujubes-- if the right variety is selected they can do well in cooler more coastal conditions - I have grown Li which does not need as much heat as the others.

Idle In El Sobrante CA

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Yes, short seasons are the issue.

I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.

They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.

On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote:
> I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think
> they'll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an
>> amazing claim.
>>
>> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates.
>> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F
>> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."
>>
>> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but
>> all are rated Zone 5.
>>
>> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre
>> es.html
>>
>> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?
>>
>> --Henry Fieldseth
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4
>>
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Re: [nafex] jujube?

Yes, short seasons are the issue.

I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early
enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li.

They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue.

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Re: [nafex] jujube?

I'm in zone 6 and I've been growing jujube for years. I don't think they'll
do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:

[nafex] jujube?

A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing claim.

"Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100° F to -28° F during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit."

Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all are rated Zone 5.
https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html

Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4

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