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Wednesday, March 22, 2017

[nafex] invitation as a presenter

On 3/20/2017 11:10 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
> The purple raspberry that I developed will be sold by Hartmann Plant Company, Lakota, MI, starting this year. Besides the really delicious flavor, two traits make it outstanding. They are: 1) one 5 year old plant produced 16 pounds of fruit and 2)occupies 24 ft. of row. Thorns are numerous but tiny measuring only 2 to 3 mm. high. Hartmann has been selling my Zone 3 Black Raspberry and will soon introduce my zone 3 blackberry. common names will be added upon introductions.
Hi Jim,

The combined NAFEX/NNGA annual meeting will be held August 13, 14, 15
and 16 in Tifton Georgia. We have a few open spots for speakers and
invite you to make a presentation on brambles, your breeding work and
releases as well as culture. We have 20 and 30 minute openings.

Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] Szukis x Rosseyanka/Nikita's Gift?

On 1/11/2017 12:03 AM, Steven Covacci wrote:
> 1. Is it possible that Rosseyanka (hybrid persimmon) or Nikita's Gift
> (hybrid persimmon) might sport a few male limbs/flowers on occasion?
>
> 2. If this is possible... is it also possible that a pollinator might visit
> a male blossom on Rosseyanka/Nikita's Gift and transfer this pollen to the
> female blossom of a nearby pure American persimmon (northern strain; 90-c),
> that viable seed would be produced through the crossing?
>
> 3. Can a 100% pure male American persimmon (northern strain) openly
> pollinated cross with Rosseyanka/Nikita's Gift, that viable seed would be
> produced; correct?
>
>
> Lastly, does anyone one have a collection of American persimmons that have
> no near by male persimmon trees -- no pollinator tree EXCEPT for Szukis?
> That they could send (/sell) me seed?
Hi Steve,

I ran across this message from January and I didn't find a record that I
had answered you.
Q # 1 I have never seen a staminate flower on any of my hybrids. I
wouldn't say impossible but highly highly highly unlikely.
Q # 2 if either of those hybrids ever produced a male flower then yes it
would be possible pollinate in 90 chromosome American persimmon.
Q # 3 Yes, 90 chromosome males will polymerize Rosseyanka and Nikita's
gift flowers. I have maybe a dozen or more of each. They grow contorted
and are slow to start bearing. And generally the fruits are of lesser
quality than either the hybrid or the virginiana.

Jerry
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Tuesday, March 21, 2017

Re: [nafex] Pomona time!

Dear Jacqueline,


Year of Decision


Time will tell if my perception is correct, but that is how it has seemed in reviewing 2016.


Two of three British apples were again found wanting: one cannot hold its fruit in a low humidity heat wave and the other needs far better soil than I can afford to provide anytime soon. So I cut extra scions of D'Arcy Spice and Sturmer Pippin and included them in the packages sent to those who swapped with me this past winter. They will be top-worked to American apples this spring: Harrison and Keepsake.


I had sent too many scions of the third British apple, Bardsey, in winter '15-'16, so got only a single, huge apple from this young tree. Although spring came 2-3 weeks earlier than usual, the fruit still didn't come loose for picking until the end of September, just as previously. Bardsey is a light fruit: light lemon scent, light acid (in this environment) and light weight. Although over 3 inches high and wide it weighed just over 9 ounces, despite its juiciness. I cut only two scions this time around and hope for more fruit this year.


Winekist surprised me by blooming in its third leaf, about mid-late bloom, too. Since the bloom was far later than expected, I left two fruits on it to clinch ID. Sure enough, it's Winekist. Two inch by two, red like a beet inside, 12 Brix. Both it and Redfield look as though they will have drooping habit as trees, and the places I had hoped to put them will cause problems. Two neighbors have agreed to allow me to plant and prune for them, and they get each a lovely apple tree without wormy fruit!


Neil Crowley told me he has good crops from Claygate Pearmain, something he had sent me previously. The graft I had intended to use failed, but two back up grafts onto larger stock, Bud118, both callused. With his encouragement I now plan to plant both whips of Claygate where once the red fleshed apples were intended to go. Claygate, I understand, has an upright habit, which will be handy in the narrow area I want to fill.


The two top-working projects were the only grafts I expected to make for this yard, until the host of scions came by way of people asking for D'Arcy Spice (try it!) and other apples I have started. It appears this may be the year when the yard finally takes shape, with a majority of American apples. I will (God willing) graft every spare root stock left over from previous attempts. Next fall might reveal a very different fruit profile than what was imagined before this year.


Ben Sarek black currant again had tremendous aphid damage, reducing its crop to a third of any others (Ben More, Westwick, Orphan - no name or parentage.) I tore it out and asked for some in swapping scions. Black September came (thank you Kirk) and two hard wood cuttings are in the ground, rooting at this writing.

I learned something about using black currants: In making jam I did not remove all the woody calyxes, which can take hours. (Someone said it was possible to roll them between palms to remove them. Not in this climate, apparently.) I put currants in the blender with nearly a half cup of water and blended them. Then proceeded to cook jam. It worked well!


North Star cherry yielded its first crop, about 2 cups pitted. We made a pie with those and an equal amount of Montmorency, picked elsewhere. Wow, bright color and flavor: the Morello parent shines in North Star for color and taste, but the other parent shifted its harvest earlier by about 3 weeks. Only two maggots inside of two cups pitted. Win, win, win.


Dave Liezen


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> Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam
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> Who sells Siberian C root stock, please
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> Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
> have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
> white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
> planting.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
>> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>>
>> Hank Parker
>> Maple syrup makers never die,
>> They just evaporate!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>>> could handle zone 4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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Monday, March 20, 2017

Re: [nafex] Pomona time!

The purple raspberry that I developed will be sold by Hartmann Plant Company, Lakota, MI, starting this year. Besides the really delicious flavor, two traits make it outstanding. They are: 1) one 5 year old plant produced 16 pounds of fruit and 2)occupies 24 ft. of row. Thorns are numerous but tiny measuring only 2 to 3 mm. high. Hartmann has been selling my Zone 3 Black Raspberry and will soon introduce my zone 3 blackberry. common names will be added upon introductions.

Jim Fruth


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I'm in need of your help to put together the next Pomona. Questions, with or without answers, discussions you've had here or in person; your experiences; please write them up--copy and paste works; I can smooth them into an article--and email them to me. Thanks.

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> Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam
>
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> Who sells Siberian C root stock, please
>
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> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>
> Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
> have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
> white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
> planting.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
>> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>>
>> Hank Parker
>> Maple syrup makers never die,
>> They just evaporate!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: nafex <nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org> on behalf of mIEKAL aND
>>> <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
>>> To: Henry; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
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>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>>>
>>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>>> could handle zone 4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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[nafex] Pomona time!

I'm in need of your help to put together the next Pomona. Questions, with or without answers, discussions you've had here or in person; your experiences; please write them up--copy and paste works; I can smooth them into an article--and email them to me. Thanks.

Jacquelyn Kuehn

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> Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam
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> Who sells Siberian C root stock, please
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
> have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
> white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
> planting.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
>> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>>
>> Hank Parker
>> Maple syrup makers never die,
>> They just evaporate!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
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>>> Experimenters
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>>>
>>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>>> could handle zone 4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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Monday, March 13, 2017

Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam


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Who sells Siberian C root stock, please

-----Original Message-----
From: mIEKAL aND
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:36 AM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
planting.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>
> Hank Parker
> Maple syrup makers never die,
> They just evaporate!
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: Henry; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
>> Experimenters
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>>
>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>> could handle zone 4.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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Sunday, March 12, 2017

Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Who sells Siberian C root stock, please

-----Original Message-----
From: mIEKAL aND
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:36 AM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
planting.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>
> Hank Parker
> Maple syrup makers never die,
> They just evaporate!
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: Henry; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
>> Experimenters
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>>
>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>> could handle zone 4.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Henry,

I'm in upper central NH, elev 1600, some 1000 ft above the valley, northern exposure. Always figured I was zone 4 but now I am wondering. On a map, 8 miles north of Plymouth NH, south end of Franconia Notch, north side of Bald Mountain.

Hank Parker
Apples, Maple Syrup
NH zone 4->5
Elev. 1600 ft
Lat:43°51.21'; Long:71°42.40'

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> Where in Zone 4 are you?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, zone 4
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 3/12/17, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
> To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017, 7:11 AM
>
> I have two Siberian peach
> trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept producing.
> They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>
> Hank Parker
> Maple syrup makers never die,
> They just evaporate!
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt
> <sam739is@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm
> sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well
> in Zone 5, though. At least one of our members has
> redleaf-peaches. another seed-propagated landrace that is
> also very tough and prolific. When I was a kid growing up
> in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with runoff
> from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled
> them to serve with holiday meals, particularly ham and
> muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN
> (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian
> peach" seeds
>>
>>
> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm
> doubting they
>> could handle zone 4.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017
> at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> I wonder if they are hardy
> to the upper midwest.
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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Hank,

Where in Zone 4 are you?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, zone 4


--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/12/17, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017, 7:11 AM

I have two Siberian peach
trees  that are white fleshed and late/Sept producing. 
They have been hardy for some years in zone 4. 

Hank Parker
Maple syrup makers never die,
They just evaporate!




> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt
<sam739is@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I'm
sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold.  Should do very well
in Zone 5, though.  At least one of our members has
redleaf-peaches. another seed-propagated landrace that is
also very tough and prolific.  When I was a kid growing up
in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with runoff
from a chicken house.  Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled
them to serve with holiday meals, particularly ham and
muscovy duck.  Delicious! -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN 
(USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>
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> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian
peach" seeds
>
>
Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach.  I'm
doubting they
> could handle zone 4.
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017
at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I wonder if they are hardy
to the upper midwest.
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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
planting.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>
> Hank Parker
> Maple syrup makers never die,
> They just evaporate!
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5, though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: nafex <nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org> on behalf of mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: Henry; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
>>
>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>> could handle zone 4.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

The Indians grew peaches over a wide area of North America, and there
have been several "Indian Peach" cultivars and lines
brought to notice over the years. You may find a discussion in "The
Peaches of New York" by Hedrick.

Peach growers in the Niagara Peninsula favour "Bailey" seedlings for
rootstock; this is an old Indian peach from Iowa;
there are several selections of widely varying fruit quality.
Apparently it's not particularly early to harden off.

"Siberian C", "Chui Lum Tao", and "Tzim Pee Tao" are hardier but not so
generally satisfactory as rootstocks in this area.

I think that Minneapolis would be pushing it a little too far for the
available peach genetic material through test winters, even selecting
the hardiest seedlings. However, apparently some peaches survive most
winters in Minneapolis in protected locations.

Some Manchurian apricot selections are hardy on the southern Canadian
prairies although some have dormancy problems, and the Morden station of
Agriculture Canada in southwestern Manitoba bred "Morden 604" and
"Westcot"; crosses between P. mandschurica and P. armenaica. Regular
bearing should not be expected. Apricots like peaches prefer light
well-drained soils.

It might be more rewarding to try the hardy plums and cherryplums in
Minneapolis. The state extension service should have some
recommendations. Yakima (Prunus domestica) plum is reported shy bearing
but big, high-quality and semi-hardy at Minneapolis. I read that Krikon
Damson from Sweden ("krikon" means damson in Swedish) is hardy at
Minneapolis; a little hardier than Mount Royal.

See
<http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/fruit/stone-fruit-for-minnesota-gardens/#about>

You might find some useful information at
http://www.fruit.usask.ca

Have a look at
<http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1493505/advice-on-northern-peach-growing>
and
<http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2005-June/019211.html>

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:27:02 +0000 (UTC), Henry via nafex
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> J L Hudson, Seedsman, is offering "Indian peach" seeds.
>
> PRUNUS
> —Prunus Persica 'Indian Peach'. (10) PRUN-97. Packet: $2.50 [ten
> seeds per packet]
> 100 seed: $15.00
>
> http://thehistoricfoodie.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/more-on-the-indian-peach/
> Fresh seed stored in cold storage.
> 'INDIAN PEACH'. Small peaches with small seed, but very delicious.
> Comes true from seed. Peaches were introduced very early by the
> Spanish, and spread among the Indians and taken as their own. Very
> productive, said to produce the third year from seed, bearing heavy
> crops of the small delicious peaches. Plant on receipt.
>
> http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/New%20Arrivals.htm
>
> I have ordered from this company for many years and have been happy
> with their seeds, though I have not tried these peaches.
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4

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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.

Hank Parker
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They just evaporate!




> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5, though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
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> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
> could handle zone 4.
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Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5, though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)

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Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
could handle zone 4.

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Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
could handle zone 4.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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[nafex] "Indian peach" seeds

J L Hudson, Seedsman, is offering "Indian peach" seeds.

PRUNUS
—Prunus Persica 'Indian Peach'. (10) PRUN-97. Packet: $2.50 [ten seeds per packet]
100 seed: $15.00
http://thehistoricfoodie.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/more-on-the-indian-peach/
Fresh seed stored in cold storage.
'INDIAN PEACH'. Small peaches with small seed, but very delicious. Comes true from seed. Peaches were introduced very early by the Spanish, and spread among the Indians and taken as their own. Very productive, said to produce the third year from seed, bearing heavy crops of the small delicious peaches. Plant on receipt.

http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/New%20Arrivals.htm

I have ordered from this company for many years and have been happy with their seeds, though I have not tried these peaches.

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, Zone 4
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