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Sunday, September 25, 2016

Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

Thank you. I am wondering if the seedlings are hybrids with D.
virginiana as the leaves are not as thick and leathery as D. kaki, but
wider than D. viginiana.

I am hoping that if they are hybrids, it will confer additional winter
hardiness.

If they are hybrids, are there any special culture methods to follow?

Betsy

On 9/24/2016 10:40 PM, Jerry Lehman wrote:
> On 9/24/2016 3:54 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:
>> I have some seedlings started from seeds saved from D. kaki fruits. I
>> have learned on this list that growing these trees up to maturity is
>> sometimes problematic.
>> Does anyone have suggestions or advice to improve my chances of success?
>>
>> I was planning to overwinter in pots this year and to set out in
>> permanent sites next spring with the intention of providing vigilant
>> care.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Betsy Hilborn
>> Zone 7a, NC
> Hello Betsy,
>
> You're in zone 7a which improves your chances but still not
> guaranteed. My zone 7 chart says 0 Fahrenheit average minimum low
> temperature. That's average which means occasionally it can get lower
> than that and based on my experience kaki winter damage begins at 0
> and -10 normally spells death. Can you put it on the south side of
> your home, like only a few feet from your home. I have kept kaki
> several years 2 feet from the south side of my house and they fruited
> but when it got the -15 there wasn't enough protection.
>
> Jerry
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Saturday, September 24, 2016

Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

On 9/24/2016 3:54 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote:
> I have some seedlings started from seeds saved from D. kaki fruits. I
> have learned on this list that growing these trees up to maturity is
> sometimes problematic.
> Does anyone have suggestions or advice to improve my chances of success?
>
> I was planning to overwinter in pots this year and to set out in
> permanent sites next spring with the intention of providing vigilant
> care.
>
> Thanks,
> Betsy Hilborn
> Zone 7a, NC
Hello Betsy,

You're in zone 7a which improves your chances but still not guaranteed.
My zone 7 chart says 0 Fahrenheit average minimum low temperature.
That's average which means occasionally it can get lower than that and
based on my experience kaki winter damage begins at 0 and -10 normally
spells death. Can you put it on the south side of your home, like only a
few feet from your home. I have kept kaki several years 2 feet from the
south side of my house and they fruited but when it got the -15 there
wasn't enough protection.

Jerry
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[nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings

I have some seedlings started from seeds saved from D. kaki fruits. I
have learned on this list that growing these trees up to maturity is
sometimes problematic.
Does anyone have suggestions or advice to improve my chances of success?

I was planning to overwinter in pots this year and to set out in
permanent sites next spring with the intention of providing vigilant care.

Thanks,
Betsy Hilborn
Zone 7a, NC
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Friday, September 23, 2016

Re: [nafex] The Currant Farm's Black Currant and Apple Strudel

Sounds pretty good to me!​

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> If you are fortunate enough to have some frozen black currants, you may
> want to try this dessert, from a New York grower who sells black currants
> (dried, frozen, juice, etc.) on the Internet. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul,
> Minn.
>
>
> The Currant Farm's Black Currant & Apple Strudel
>
> Ingredients
> 1 large Golden Delicious apple, peeled, cored and sliced 1/8 to 1/4-inch
> thick
> 1/2 lemon, juiced
> 1 cup CurrantC(tm) black currants, fresh or thawed
> 1/2 cup sugar, plus 2 tablespoons
> 2 tablespoons cold butter, cut into small pieces
> 2 tablespoons butter, melted
> All-purpose flour, for dusting
> ½ cup Quaker Old Fashioned Oats
> 1 sheet frozen puff pastry, thawed according to directions on box.
> 4 teaspoons ground cinnamon
> [http://static.sendgrid.com/uploads/UID_1140832_NL_23061038_
> b6293dd82dce4a4a91a3adf3a88f5f40/d783accf2b53ed6fa6625ea149a1ed98]
>
>
> Directions
>
>
> Position an oven rack in the center of the oven and preheat to 375 degrees
> F.
> In a large bowl, toss the sliced apples with the lemon juice until the
> apples are thoroughly coated.
> Add the black currants, 1/4 cup sugar, and the 2 tablespoons cold cubed
> butter and toss well. Set aside.
> Lightly dust the work surface with flour. Lay the puff pastry on top and
> dust the rolling pin with additional flour.
> Gently roll the puff pastry to 1/8-inch thickness.
> Position the sheet of puff pastry on a parchment lined baking sheet.
> Sprinkle the Quaker Old Fashioned Oats on half of the pastry to absorb the
> juices
> Spread the black currant & apple mixture on top of the oats leaving about
> 1-inch of space along the side edges.
> Sprinkle 2 teaspoons of cinnamon over the mix.
> Brush some of the melted butter along the 1" edge of the pastry to help
> seal.
> Fold the other half over the mix and pinch to seal the edges together
> tightly.
> Brush the entire strudel with the melted butter.
> Sprinkle with 2 teaspoons of cinnamon and remaining sugar.
> Using a sharp knife, make 3 diagonal slits across the top of the strudel.
> Bake for 40 minutes, rotating halfway through cooking, until the pastry is
> puffed and golden brown.
>
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Wednesday, September 14, 2016

[nafex] The Currant Farm's Black Currant and Apple Strudel

If you are fortunate enough to have some frozen black currants, you may want to try this dessert, from a New York grower who sells black currants (dried, frozen, juice, etc.) on the Internet. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn.


The Currant Farm's Black Currant & Apple Strudel

Ingredients
1 large Golden Delicious apple, peeled, cored and sliced 1/8 to 1/4-inch thick
1/2 lemon, juiced
1 cup CurrantC(tm) black currants, fresh or thawed
1/2 cup sugar, plus 2 tablespoons
2 tablespoons cold butter, cut into small pieces
2 tablespoons butter, melted
All-purpose flour, for dusting
½ cup Quaker Old Fashioned Oats
1 sheet frozen puff pastry, thawed according to directions on box.
4 teaspoons ground cinnamon
[http://static.sendgrid.com/uploads/UID_1140832_NL_23061038_b6293dd82dce4a4a91a3adf3a88f5f40/d783accf2b53ed6fa6625ea149a1ed98]


Directions


Position an oven rack in the center of the oven and preheat to 375 degrees F.
In a large bowl, toss the sliced apples with the lemon juice until the apples are thoroughly coated.
Add the black currants, 1/4 cup sugar, and the 2 tablespoons cold cubed butter and toss well. Set aside.
Lightly dust the work surface with flour. Lay the puff pastry on top and dust the rolling pin with additional flour.
Gently roll the puff pastry to 1/8-inch thickness.
Position the sheet of puff pastry on a parchment lined baking sheet.
Sprinkle the Quaker Old Fashioned Oats on half of the pastry to absorb the juices
Spread the black currant & apple mixture on top of the oats leaving about 1-inch of space along the side edges.
Sprinkle 2 teaspoons of cinnamon over the mix.
Brush some of the melted butter along the 1" edge of the pastry to help seal.
Fold the other half over the mix and pinch to seal the edges together tightly.
Brush the entire strudel with the melted butter.
Sprinkle with 2 teaspoons of cinnamon and remaining sugar.
Using a sharp knife, make 3 diagonal slits across the top of the strudel.
Bake for 40 minutes, rotating halfway through cooking, until the pastry is puffed and golden brown.

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Tuesday, September 13, 2016

Monday, September 12, 2016

[nafex] Italian grows forgotten fruit. What she preserves is a culture, (NY Times)

Italian Grows Forgotten Fruit. What She Preserves Is a Culture. <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/world/europe/italian-grows-forgotten-fruit-what-she-preserves-is-a-culture.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTOTY3NTg3MTk3NTU5OTEzNjUwODIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFIK5JySA6af4sXxFbkP2JDwIoEww>

New York Times
But on her farm, Isabella Dalla Ragione pursues a personal mission - saving ancient fruit trees from extinction - with a strong sense of urgency.

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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

Lee,

Do you know if the trees widely planted in the West, are regular Russian olive or the variety /orientalis/?

The Russian olive has been widely planted here but only the kind with small silvery fruit.

The follow up question is: if they planted the large-fruited variety, did the invasive seedlings still have the large fruit?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4


--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/12/16, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 4:17 AM

I started some seed from
fruit in a bag such as the one pictured. I have one
seedling. In my experience, and that of others, the plants
succumb to summer heat and/or humidity in eastern U.S. My
one seedling is a couple of years old. I will be planting it
out (it's in a pot) this fall and see how it fares through
winter and next summer. The tree has been widely planted in
western US, where it was introduce by the USDA, and grows
well there — too well; it's now banned there as an
invasive. It's quite beautiful with its red fruits
standing out against the gray green foliage.


Lee Reich,
PhD
Come visit my farmden at  http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless
Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:18 PM, PATTY <jrplelie@centurylink.net>
wrote:
>
> Jerry,
Here's what a bag of E. orientalis looks like.  Oh, I
missed another synonym, Lotus tree fruit.  It is definitely
not a Diospyros.  Traversing so many Middle Eastern
cultures hasn't helped the list of names. 
>
> http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed
>
> Jim Elie
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Jerry
Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34
PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond
date
>
> On 9/11/2016
8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>  (This
red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously
as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum,
Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit
eaten in that part of the world.)
> It
sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names.
Nothing
> new here. The 1st message on
the subject refers to cleaning the seed
> with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date
where D. lotus it could have up to
> 8
seeds. Jerry Lehman
>
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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

That is indeed what they look like.

There is one seed per fruit, about 3/4 inch long and less than 1/4 inch wide, with longitudinal grooves.

I was told to eat them as they were (dried), there was no mention of any cooking. Pealing them was messy and counterproductive.

They were called "sultan iğde" (to my ear, pronounced: ee day). According to my Turkish friend, iğde alone refers to the genus /Elaeagnus/ and "sultan iğde" refers to the specific trees with good fruit.

No mention of Trebizond or date. They look a bit like dates though.

Turkish wikipedia has quite a list of /Elaeagnus/, but it does not include /E. orientalis/ (which western botany seems to have lumped into /L. angustifolia/ without even a varietal separation).

I don't read Turkish, but the wikitranslation does suggest that grafting may be necessary for the best fruit.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25C4%25B0%25C4%259Fde&prev=search

--Henry

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/11/16, PATTY <jrplelie@centurylink.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2016, 9:18 PM

Jerry, Here's what a
bag of E. orientalis looks like.  Oh, I missed another
synonym, Lotus tree fruit.  It is definitely not a
Diospyros.  Traversing so many Middle Eastern cultures
hasn't helped the list of names. 

http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed

Jim Elie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date

On 9/11/2016 8:29 PM, Lee
Reich wrote:
>   (This
red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously
as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum,
Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit
eaten in that part of the world.)
It sure
looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names.
Nothing
new here. The 1st message on the
subject refers to cleaning the seed
with
his teeth. If the Trebizond Date where D. lotus it could
have up to
8 seeds. Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

I started some seed from fruit in a bag such as the one pictured. I have one seedling. In my experience, and that of others, the plants succumb to summer heat and/or humidity in eastern U.S. My one seedling is a couple of years old. I will be planting it out (it's in a pot) this fall and see how it fares through winter and next summer. The tree has been widely planted in western US, where it was introduce by the USDA, and grows well there — too well; it's now banned there as an invasive. It's quite beautiful with its red fruits standing out against the gray green foliage.


Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:18 PM, PATTY <jrplelie@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Jerry, Here's what a bag of E. orientalis looks like. Oh, I missed another synonym, Lotus tree fruit. It is definitely not a Diospyros. Traversing so many Middle Eastern cultures hasn't helped the list of names.
>
> http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed
>
> Jim Elie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date
>
> On 9/11/2016 8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
>> (This red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum, Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit eaten in that part of the world.)
> It sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names. Nothing
> new here. The 1st message on the subject refers to cleaning the seed
> with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date where D. lotus it could have up to
> 8 seeds. Jerry Lehman
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Sunday, September 11, 2016

Re: [nafex] trezibond date

Jerry, Here's what a bag of E. orientalis looks like. Oh, I missed another synonym, Lotus tree fruit. It is definitely not a Diospyros. Traversing so many Middle Eastern cultures hasn't helped the list of names.

http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed

Jim Elie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date

On 9/11/2016 8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> (This red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum, Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit eaten in that part of the world.)
It sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names. Nothing
new here. The 1st message on the subject refers to cleaning the seed
with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date where D. lotus it could have up to
8 seeds. Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

On 9/11/2016 8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> (This red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum, Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit eaten in that part of the world.)
It sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names. Nothing
new here. The 1st message on the subject refers to cleaning the seed
with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date where D. lotus it could have up to
8 seeds. Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

Henry,

You might be able to find it in one of the Middle Eastern grocers in your area as well. I have purchased it in the past and have germinated seed but it has been years since. They germinated pretty comparably with apple and pear seeds that I start. Also, I purchased a couple small trees of "King Red" from Forest Farm Nursery. One died on its own and this past spring I removed the second which wasn't thriving. I did save scion wood and did about 10 grafts on a few local Russian Olive trees. Most survived but the vigor of the Russian olive required being cutting back several times. With the scion wood I had I was considering the experiment topworking but if I had it to do over, I would cut the RO back to a 2-3 foot trunk and graft onto that. Rind grafting and cleft grafting both seemed to do well. I still have scion wood and dependent on its condition, I may try a few more grafts next spring. I am also thinking of starting a few from seed as well. Any chance I could g
et a few seeds from you? I am near Green Bay? Let me know what you want for the seed.

Locating the Igde fruit is made quite difficult by all the names. Poruk Igde, Senjed, Sencet, Oleaster, and Mountain Ash.

Thanks,

Jim Elie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry" <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:22:31 PM
Subject: [nafex] trezibond date

There does not seem to be much information about this plant.

The internet suggests it is the same species as Russian olive. The fruit is much larger and sweet.

A friend from Turkey claims it was a favored fruit among the children when he was growing up. He brought me a bag of the fruit.

They look like dates with a light brown dry skin. I broke one open with my fingernail and found a dry almost white mealiness inside. It did not look appetizing. It was sweet but not at all like a date.

I tried manually cleaning the seed and it was way too difficult. But I could clean them well with my teeth. The taste grew on me and I found myself happily cleaning the rest of them.

Does anyone know if I can expect good quality fruit from seed?

Does anyone have experience growing it in North America?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4

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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

From the Elaeagnus chapter in my book Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden:

More soothing to the taste buds are Russian olive (Elaeagnus angustifolia) fruits, which are silvery yellow, mealy, sweet, and about half an inch long. They ripen in late summer. A botanical variety with a red skin, E. angustifolia var. orientalis, is familiar in the markets of Turkey and surrounding countries. Fruits are eaten fresh, dried, stewed in milk, or boiled with sugar. When dry, the loose skin of iğde, as the fruit is called in Turkey, peels away easily to reveal a cream-colored, almost dusty, sweet pulp that practically dissolves in your mouth. (This red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum, Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit eaten in that part of the world.)

Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <http://www.leereich.com/blog>
http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net> wrote:
>
> The info I found called it Trebizond Date, and said it was e. orientalis,
> which would be a different species. One review compared the two, with
> Trebizond being preferred. Apparently known in Iran and other countries by
> various names, and available by mail order suppliers of Middle Eastern food
> and seasoning suppliers.
>
> However, I am not personally acquainted, but sounds quite interesting.
>
> Chris Garriss
> Sent via Android Phone
>
> On Sep 11, 2016 18:29, "Henry" <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There does not seem to be much information about this plant.
>>
>> The internet suggests it is the same species as Russian olive. The fruit
>> is much larger and sweet.
>>
>> A friend from Turkey claims it was a favored fruit among the children when
>> he was growing up. He brought me a bag of the fruit.
>>
>> They look like dates with a light brown dry skin. I broke one open with my
>> fingernail and found a dry almost white mealiness inside. It did not look
>> appetizing. It was sweet but not at all like a date.
>>
>> I tried manually cleaning the seed and it was way too difficult. But I
>> could clean them well with my teeth. The taste grew on me and I found
>> myself happily cleaning the rest of them.
>>
>> Does anyone know if I can expect good quality fruit from seed?
>>
>> Does anyone have experience growing it in North America?
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Re: [nafex] trezibond date

The info I found called it Trebizond Date, and said it was e. orientalis,
which would be a different species. One review compared the two, with
Trebizond being preferred. Apparently known in Iran and other countries by
various names, and available by mail order suppliers of Middle Eastern food
and seasoning suppliers.

However, I am not personally acquainted, but sounds quite interesting.

Chris Garriss
Sent via Android Phone

On Sep 11, 2016 18:29, "Henry" <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There does not seem to be much information about this plant.
>
> The internet suggests it is the same species as Russian olive. The fruit
> is much larger and sweet.
>
> A friend from Turkey claims it was a favored fruit among the children when
> he was growing up. He brought me a bag of the fruit.
>
> They look like dates with a light brown dry skin. I broke one open with my
> fingernail and found a dry almost white mealiness inside. It did not look
> appetizing. It was sweet but not at all like a date.
>
> I tried manually cleaning the seed and it was way too difficult. But I
> could clean them well with my teeth. The taste grew on me and I found
> myself happily cleaning the rest of them.
>
> Does anyone know if I can expect good quality fruit from seed?
>
> Does anyone have experience growing it in North America?
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4
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[nafex] trezibond date

There does not seem to be much information about this plant.

The internet suggests it is the same species as Russian olive. The fruit is much larger and sweet.

A friend from Turkey claims it was a favored fruit among the children when he was growing up. He brought me a bag of the fruit.

They look like dates with a light brown dry skin. I broke one open with my fingernail and found a dry almost white mealiness inside. It did not look appetizing. It was sweet but not at all like a date.

I tried manually cleaning the seed and it was way too difficult. But I could clean them well with my teeth. The taste grew on me and I found myself happily cleaning the rest of them.

Does anyone know if I can expect good quality fruit from seed?

Does anyone have experience growing it in North America?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4

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[nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry hardiness and disease resistance

In response to a few question on hardiness and disease resistance.

Niwot hardiness is rated as zone 5, and there are some reports (including mine and local growers) that Niwot is slightly more hardy than Jewel black raspberry. The problem with going to zone 4 or lower is that the primocane crop could have trouble ripening in the shorter season. Jim Fruth reported hardiness to zone 3, but if you are there, you should consider his Pequot instead. Berries ripening in the cooler fall weather won't have so much sweetness. As an experiment, you might want to try eliminating the floricanes to move the primocane crop earlier. For Canadian growers, In spring 2016, Niwot was offered by Strawberry Tyme Farm and Wiffletree Farm and Nursery, both in Ontario. Check with them for 2017.

There has been scant information on the Niwot disease resistance. There were a few anecdotal reports as being better than Jewel, but nothing I want to claim about this.

Pete Tallman
Louisville, CO zone 5 or so
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Wednesday, September 7, 2016

Tuesday, September 6, 2016

[nafex] Niwot trial

Sam,
Quick search shows that Penn State has trialed 'Niwot' with positive
comments. Let me know if you need link(s).

Richard Moyer, SW VA
Good jujube year here.

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> Mine died long ago but so have most of my raspberries. Tough environment
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

This is an exciting development. The first of a unique kind.


I wonder how Niwot has been trialed by anyone and how it has performed for them. Please give your location if you can reply. Thanks. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN, USDA hardiness zone 4a



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Congratulations, Pete!

Mine died long ago but so have most of my raspberries. Tough environment
here.

Regards,

Jay

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On 9/6/2016 4:24 AM, Pete Tallman wrote:
> I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot' primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant Patent number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential to the breeding program.
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

Congratulations, Pete!

Mine died long ago but so have most of my raspberries. Tough environment
here.

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
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On 9/6/2016 4:24 AM, Pete Tallman wrote:
> I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot' primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant Patent number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential to the breeding program.
>
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

Pete -

Congratulations!

What climatic zone are they listed for hardiness?

Have a few acres to test here. Presently caring for 8 acres of new paw paw
planting.

Charles Rhora
Wainfleet, Ontario
Climatic zone 4.

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I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot'
primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant Patent
number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential to the
breeding program.

Pete Tallman
Louisville, CO (formerly Longmont, CO)
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent (Jerry Lehman)

Let me add my congratulations on Niwot! I have 1 plant I am trying
out. Due to my illness and injury, the poor thing has been
underwatered, overrun with weeds, including vetch, and ground ivy for
two years, and, most recently, the worst: passiflora. I did finally
clear out the passiflora and anything climbing the stems and, in spite
of our drought and the blazing heat, it is currently bearing a nice fall
crop. So I'd say Niwot is vigorous.

I second everything Jerry says about them (they are lanky) and they
taste ..... wait for it .... just like Black Raspberries! :-)

Congratulations to all who assisted in this effort, my thanks to you!

Barbara Rosholdt
Central Virginia - zone 6c/7a, depending


On 9/6/2016 7:47 AM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

Congratulations on achieving the plant patent for Niwot.

We purchased 5 plants last spring and have been very pleased with it. I
am planning to rip out the old raspberry bed of which I don't remember
the original variety and I suspect now is primarily under performing
seedlings. I was under the impression that Niwot would set 2 crops, an
early summer then late fall. Quite frankly it seems to be more ever
bearing than a duel ripening season as we have been picking fruit now
for 60 days with many new clusters forming. Many of the berries are
actually dual (Siamese twin) with one being larger than the other. It is
very vigorous and I need to increase the height of the top trellis wire
to keep the cains off the ground. Presently the top wire is about 5 feet
and I should add another one 2 feet higher.

Again, congratulations and my fruit breeding hat is off to you.

Jerry Lehman
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

On 9/6/2016 8:33 AM, Road's End Farm wrote:
> Also, how's the virus resistance and hardiness?
Thus far no problems, but this is only the second season.
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

On Sep 6, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Ginda wrote:

>>
>
> Wow! That's impressive. How are the flavor and texture?
>

Also, how's the virus resistance and hardiness?



-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

On September 6, 2016 7:46:57 AM EDT, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/6/2016 6:24 AM, Pete Tallman wrote:
>> I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot'
>primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant
>Patent number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential
>to the breeding program.
>Good Morning Pete,
>
>Congratulations on achieving the plant patent for Niwot.
>
>We purchased 5 plants last spring and have been very pleased with it. I
>
>am planning to rip out the old raspberry bed of which I don't remember
>the original variety and I suspect now is primarily under performing
>seedlings. I was under the impression that Niwot would set 2 crops, an
>early summer then late fall. Quite frankly it seems to be more ever
>bearing than a duel ripening season as we have been picking fruit now
>for 60 days with many new clusters forming. Many of the berries are
>actually dual (Siamese twin) with one being larger than the other. It
>is
>very vigorous and I need to increase the height of the top trellis wire
>
>to keep the cains off the ground. Presently the top wire is about 5
>feet
>and I should add another one 2 feet higher.
>
>Again, congratulations and my fruit breeding hat is off to you.
>
>Jerry Lehman

Wow! That's impressive. How are the flavor and texture?

--
Ginda
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Re: [nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

On 9/6/2016 6:24 AM, Pete Tallman wrote:
> I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot' primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant Patent number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential to the breeding program.
Good Morning Pete,

Congratulations on achieving the plant patent for Niwot.

We purchased 5 plants last spring and have been very pleased with it. I
am planning to rip out the old raspberry bed of which I don't remember
the original variety and I suspect now is primarily under performing
seedlings. I was under the impression that Niwot would set 2 crops, an
early summer then late fall. Quite frankly it seems to be more ever
bearing than a duel ripening season as we have been picking fruit now
for 60 days with many new clusters forming. Many of the berries are
actually dual (Siamese twin) with one being larger than the other. It is
very vigorous and I need to increase the height of the top trellis wire
to keep the cains off the ground. Presently the top wire is about 5 feet
and I should add another one 2 feet higher.

Again, congratulations and my fruit breeding hat is off to you.

Jerry Lehman


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[nafex] Niwot Black Raspberry Patent

I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Plant Patent for the 'Niwot' primocane-fruiting black raspberry was issued today as U.S. Plant Patent number PP27,131. Help from certain NAFEX people was essential to the breeding program.

Pete Tallman
Louisville, CO (formerly Longmont, CO)
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